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In 2008 alone, 20,000 American kids were injured with guns

 
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proper education, dont be stupid ya moron
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Re: In 2008 alone, 20,000 American kids were injured with guns
I refuse to believe that all American gun owners are really ok with thousands of kids being shot.
 Quoting: seethelight


It's not ok, but the criminals will get their hands on guns whether there is a ban or not. Same goes for teens.
 Quoting: sonic doom


So just shrug and say fuck it, nothing to be done?

That's the solution?
 Quoting: seethelight


There is nothing to be done that is worth the cost of living in a police state.

Bad things happen. You can't control everything in life.
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I refuse to believe that all American gun owners are really ok with thousands of kids being shot.
 Quoting: seethelight


It's not ok, but the criminals will get their hands on guns whether there is a ban or not. Same goes for teens.
 Quoting: sonic doom


So just shrug and say fuck it, nothing to be done?

That's the solution?
 Quoting: seethelight


I'm doing my part as a law abiding citizen. I cannot control what a gangbanger or teen does.
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Re: In 2008 alone, 20,000 American kids were injured with guns
proper education, dont be stupid ya moron
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So the Sandy Hook killer just wasn't educated properly?
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proper education, dont be stupid ya moron
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So the Sandy Hook killer just wasn't educated properly?
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He was batshit crazy.
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I refuse to believe that all American gun owners are really ok with thousands of kids being shot.
 Quoting: seethelight


It's not ok, but the criminals will get their hands on guns whether there is a ban or not. Same goes for teens.
 Quoting: sonic doom


So just shrug and say fuck it, nothing to be done?

That's the solution?
 Quoting: seethelight


There is nothing to be done that is worth the cost of living in a police state.

Bad things happen. You can't control everything in life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 754169


So you think ABSOLUTELY NOTHING can be done to lessen the number of innocent people killed with guns?

Not a single thing?
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I refuse to believe that all American gun owners are really ok with thousands of kids being shot.
 Quoting: seethelight


It's not ok, but the criminals will get their hands on guns whether there is a ban or not. Same goes for teens.
 Quoting: sonic doom


So just shrug and say fuck it, nothing to be done?

That's the solution?
 Quoting: seethelight


I'm doing my part as a law abiding citizen. I cannot control what a gangbanger or teen does.
 Quoting: sonic doom


So, everyone of those deaths was done by a gang banger?

That's your belief?

And nothing can be done about them?
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Re: In 2008 alone, 20,000 American kids were injured with guns
Yeah, and those stats include "kids" up to 24 years old. Most of the deaths are due to gangbangers killing each other.

More high school kids are killed by school-sponsored sports events than murdered by guns each year.

FACT: 82% of homicides to children age 13 and under were committed without a gun.

FACT: In 1996 there were only 21 accidental gun deaths for children under age 15. About twice as many children under 10 die from drowning in bathtubs.

MYTH: 13 Children are killed each day by guns.

FACT: The statistics cited for this myth include "children" up to age 19 or age 24, depending on the source. Most violent crime is committed by males ages 16-24, so these numbers include adult gang members dying during criminal activity.

FACT: Two-thirds of the people that die each year from gunfire are criminals shooting other criminals.

FACT: Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year, or 6,849 per day.

[link to www.gunblast.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 754169


So all of that means 80 preschoolers a year being shot is ok?

You're ok with that?
 Quoting: seethelight

What I'm not ok with is removing our rights to prevent it. And anyway, statistics have proven that gun laws don't prevent murder anyway. In fact murder rates have gone up in every state that implemented stricter gun control laws.

22 children were killed this week in China by some guy with a knife. So are you going to make knifes illegal too?
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Re: In 2008 alone, 20,000 American kids were injured with guns
Between 2008 and 2009 almost 6000 kids died in gun violence.

[link to www.childrensdefense.org]

What are you gun rights guys going to do about that?

Almost 100 preschoolers die every year in gun violence?

What's your solution?

If you don't want people like me, with kids, to advocate for gun control, and you obviously don't, what's the solution?

It's a serious question, please don't bash me.
 Quoting: seethelight


Obama zombie Alert.

You deserve to be bashed for your idiocy. Lets ban cars because they crush kids to death every single day.

Kids die. Get over it, pussy.
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I don't think OP is pushing for gun bans, he is just asking if the pro gun people have any solution for this problem. I think most of us can agree that a gun ban won't work but something has to be done right? Lots of us want to see stricter gun rules but the pro guns people don't want that. Ok ofcourse people can disagree but what solutions do you think will work? Like people say far more people die of car crashes and prescription drugs but its not as if we don't do anything about that.

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22 children were killed this week in China by some guy with a knife. So are you going to make knifes illegal too?
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They weren't killed
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Re: In 2008 alone, 20,000 American kids were injured with guns
Yeah, and those stats include "kids" up to 24 years old. Most of the deaths are due to gangbangers killing each other.

More high school kids are killed by school-sponsored sports events than murdered by guns each year.

FACT: 82% of homicides to children age 13 and under were committed without a gun.

FACT: In 1996 there were only 21 accidental gun deaths for children under age 15. About twice as many children under 10 die from drowning in bathtubs.

MYTH: 13 Children are killed each day by guns.

FACT: The statistics cited for this myth include "children" up to age 19 or age 24, depending on the source. Most violent crime is committed by males ages 16-24, so these numbers include adult gang members dying during criminal activity.

FACT: Two-thirds of the people that die each year from gunfire are criminals shooting other criminals.

FACT: Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year, or 6,849 per day.

[link to www.gunblast.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 754169


So all of that means 80 preschoolers a year being shot is ok?

You're ok with that?
 Quoting: seethelight


Then the teachers need to be armed.
Designate at least one teacher or principal for gun use and send them to firearms training.
One gun in that school besides the ones the raging lunatic had would have stopped a majority of this carnage.

Banning all guns solves NOTHING.

gnctrl1
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Re: In 2008 alone, 20,000 American kids were injured with guns
proper education, dont be stupid ya moron
 Quoting: EVIL_BEAN_KID


You linked a website dedicated to Treyvon Martin. Seriously, don't get me started.
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Re: In 2008 alone, 20,000 American kids were injured with guns
I don't think OP is pushing for gun bans, he is just asking of the pro gun people have any solution for this problem. I think most of us can agree that a gun ban won't work but something has to be done right? Lots of us want to see stricter gun rules but the pro guns people don't want that. Ok ofcourse people can disagree but what solutions do you think will work or do we just say this is the consequence of living in freedom?
 Quoting: John Kimble


Where is the ops solution to ban abortions, cars, and drugs? These things kill more kids and teens a year than a gun ever will.
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12/16/2012 12:15 PM
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Guess government has to take care of your children then.

Government runs your life.
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Guess government has to take care of your children then.

Government runs your life.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 14776990


That's what they are pushing for. Any excuse to own us and banning guns and our right to protect ourselves.
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Funny OP can't put the pieces of the puzzle together to see what is going on here but then comes on a conspiracy site and plays dumb.

Whats a conspiracy site for?

Smells like a shill to me.
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Re: In 2008 alone, 20,000 American kids were injured with guns
I don't think OP is pushing for gun bans, he is just asking of the pro gun people have any solution for this problem. I think most of us can agree that a gun ban won't work but something has to be done right? Lots of us want to see stricter gun rules but the pro guns people don't want that. Ok ofcourse people can disagree but what solutions do you think will work or do we just say this is the consequence of living in freedom?
 Quoting: John Kimble


Where is the ops solution to ban abortions, cars, and drugs? These things kill more kids and teens a year than a gun ever will.
 Quoting: sonic doom


How is that even an argument? So if somebody is dying of cancer we shouldn't do anything about it since more people around the world die of AIDS?

Its just a cheap cop out.
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Re: In 2008 alone, 20,000 American kids were injured with guns
I don't think OP is pushing for gun bans, he is just asking of the pro gun people have any solution for this problem. I think most of us can agree that a gun ban won't work but something has to be done right? Lots of us want to see stricter gun rules but the pro guns people don't want that. Ok ofcourse people can disagree but what solutions do you think will work or do we just say this is the consequence of living in freedom?
 Quoting: John Kimble


Where is the ops solution to ban abortions, cars, and drugs? These things kill more kids and teens a year than a gun ever will.
 Quoting: sonic doom


How is that even an argument? So if somebody is dying of cancer we shouldn't do anything about it since more people around the world die of AIDS?

Its just a cheap cop out.
 Quoting: John Kimble


Ok the things I listed above statistically kill more kids a year than guns. I don't know how you ended up talking about cancer and AIDS around the world. I was talking about the U.S.
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Dear poster, your argument is specious. Unfortunately children die from myriads of causes.
You gave whatever rights away you ever had, do not mess with ours.

Alot of the children referenced would obviously be those under 18 or perhaps even including those 18 and possibly killed in gangland associations.

I have no clue about home invasion in Ireland but it is real herein the US and will continue to get worse as fewer and fewer jobs are available and economic condtions worsen and we like to think we can defend ourselves from this.

You can make all the laws you want regarding guns but it will not make those who illegally use them and who make these statistics real that you read conform with them, leaving the rest of the law abiding citizens defenseless.
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Yeah, and those stats include "kids" up to 24 years old. Most of the deaths are due to gangbangers killing each other.

More high school kids are killed by school-sponsored sports events than murdered by guns each year.

FACT: 82% of homicides to children age 13 and under were committed without a gun.

FACT: In 1996 there were only 21 accidental gun deaths for children under age 15. About twice as many children under 10 die from drowning in bathtubs.

MYTH: 13 Children are killed each day by guns.

FACT: The statistics cited for this myth include "children" up to age 19 or age 24, depending on the source. Most violent crime is committed by males ages 16-24, so these numbers include adult gang members dying during criminal activity.

FACT: Two-thirds of the people that die each year from gunfire are criminals shooting other criminals.

FACT: Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year, or 6,849 per day.

[link to www.gunblast.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 754169




Note the last item--guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year.

So this loss is the price we pay for eliminating this greater harm. Clearly even more little children would be victims in this 2.5 million other crimes that don't happen because guns prevent them from doing so.

There is little the average citizen can to with regard to gangbangers and yes, they do shoot little children and often in their drive-by shootings. Probably the greatest source for these preschool kids.
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Re: In 2008 alone, 20,000 American kids were injured with guns
Dear poster, your argument is specious. Unfortunately children die from myriads of causes.
You gave whatever rights away you ever had, do not mess with ours.

Alot of the children referenced would obviously be those under 18 or perhaps even including those 18 and possibly killed in gangland associations.

I have no clue about home invasion in Ireland but it is real herein the US and will continue to get worse as fewer and fewer jobs are available and economic condtions worsen and we like to think we can defend ourselves from this.

You can make all the laws you want regarding guns but it will not make those who illegally use them and who make these statistics real that you read conform with them, leaving the rest of the law abiding citizens defenseless.
 Quoting: Mickeyblue 9806228


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Re: In 2008 alone, 20,000 American kids were injured with guns
Yeah, and those stats include "kids" up to 24 years old. Most of the deaths are due to gangbangers killing each other.

More high school kids are killed by school-sponsored sports events than murdered by guns each year.

FACT: 82% of homicides to children age 13 and under were committed without a gun.

FACT: In 1996 there were only 21 accidental gun deaths for children under age 15. About twice as many children under 10 die from drowning in bathtubs.

MYTH: 13 Children are killed each day by guns.

FACT: The statistics cited for this myth include "children" up to age 19 or age 24, depending on the source. Most violent crime is committed by males ages 16-24, so these numbers include adult gang members dying during criminal activity.

FACT: Two-thirds of the people that die each year from gunfire are criminals shooting other criminals.

FACT: Guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year, or 6,849 per day.

[link to www.gunblast.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 754169




Note the last item--guns prevent an estimated 2.5 million crimes a year.

So this loss is the price we pay for eliminating this greater harm. Clearly even more little children would be victims in this 2.5 million other crimes that don't happen because guns prevent them from doing so.

There is little the average citizen can to with regard to gangbangers and yes, they do shoot little children and often in their drive-by shootings. Probably the greatest source for these preschool kids.
 Quoting: Bluebird


Also, just look at all these liberal states with very strict gun laws. Chicago is one that is very strict and it is a war zone with large numbers of shootings. Mainly from gang and robberies.
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I don't think OP is pushing for gun bans, he is just asking of the pro gun people have any solution for this problem. I think most of us can agree that a gun ban won't work but something has to be done right? Lots of us want to see stricter gun rules but the pro guns people don't want that. Ok ofcourse people can disagree but what solutions do you think will work or do we just say this is the consequence of living in freedom?
 Quoting: John Kimble


Where is the ops solution to ban abortions, cars, and drugs? These things kill more kids and teens a year than a gun ever will.
 Quoting: sonic doom


How is that even an argument? So if somebody is dying of cancer we shouldn't do anything about it since more people around the world die of AIDS?

Its just a cheap cop out.
 Quoting: John Kimble


Ok the things I listed above statistically kill more kids a year than guns. I don't know how you ended up talking about cancer and AIDS around the world. I was talking about the U.S.
 Quoting: sonic doom


Yeah, so what that other things statistically kill more kids then guns, we are talking about guns here, thats why I said it was a cop out. OP asks what to do about guns and you people say "well this kills more people" as if to say it doesn't matter that X amount of people die because of Y because more people dy because of Z.
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Re: In 2008 alone, 20,000 American kids were injured with guns
Between 2008 and 2009 almost 6000 kids died in gun violence.

[link to www.childrensdefense.org]

What are you gun rights guys going to do about that?

Almost 100 preschoolers die every year in gun violence?

What's your solution?

If you don't want people like me, with kids, to advocate for gun control, and you obviously don't, what's the solution?

It's a serious question, please don't bash me.
 Quoting: seethelight




The 2nd amendment is in the US constitution. It's the law. It isn't going to change, no matter how much you whine and cry. What is it about that that you don't understand?
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Where it is not gang related which is a totally different issue dealing with guns, it falls into a parental issue wherein people use common sense and judgment. Those kids who have parents who use neither will fall into 'accidents' from lack of supervison regardless and some of them will be fatal.
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Every country, historically, that has lost its citizen's abilities to defend themsleves have fallen into dictatorship.

Contemporaneously, many western nations have made the first step and are carooming down towards the final end game in this.

America does not want to finish there, at least some do not, anyway.
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There are way more than 100 preschoolers who die each year from bad family relationships and any other number of things we need to have people consider when they enter into these why not cry about this, it is far deeper an issue.
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Dear seethelight, over 50million babies have been killed via abortion, so get off your imagined soap box. This could be prevented and require no laws in order to effect that. First keep your dick in your pants, women keep their legs crossed and if you fail in this take responsibility.

How do you thinbk these babies would vote???????

You care about them then campaigne for them.

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