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If Jesus is God why goes he hand over the kingdom to Jehovah at the end of the 1,000 years?

 
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at this point, no one has answered the question that DGN asked...the question; "if Jesus is God, why does he hand over the kingdom to Jehovah at the end of the 1.000 years"?-it seems logical to me that if Jesus hands something back to God, that it didn't belong to Jesus in the first place to possess it unless God gave it to him, which shows me that Jesus and God are two separate Beings. That in turn makes the scripture at Matthew 6:10 much easier to understand, where Jesus prays to GOD "Let YOUR Kingdom come. Let YOUR will take place."-
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In the beginning was the word, the word was with God, and the word was God.

Compare to Revelation where Jesus declares HE is the Alpha and Omega.
 Quoting: Emmeric


Jesus is the spoken word of the father and revelation you saw a vision from john. JESUS WAS PROPHESYING


In the beginning was the word and the word was God -means when the father spoke the word is his a spirit which eventually became flesh.That is Jesus the living word in the flesh

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Found throughout is the Father, Son and Holy Ghost. All three God and one: Godhead.
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WRONG!

There are three that bear witness in heaven father the son and the holy spirit. They are in unicen and agree but all different persons.Jesus said it the son is not greater than the father.

No man knows the day or the our not the angels nor the son but only the father

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Re: If Jesus is God why goes he hand over the kingdom to Jehovah at the end of the 1,000 years?
Jesus is our perfect example of God manifestation


He is living the Word perfectly---he is the embodiment of God's word

He is reflecting God's glory with his actions

He is NOT the same person as God --just God's perfect representative
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Real Jews think Christianity is an apostate religion and that Jesus was a false prophet and not the messiah.It's funny because Christianity is based on Judaism
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"Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet. 26 As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing. 27 For [God] “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that it is with the exception of the one who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone." 1Cor15:24
 Quoting: DGN


Perhaps he has bigger and better things planned for Himself..
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i presented the answer but from the perspective of dogmatic teaching it was ranted about and looked over .....only those who have concluded the last 70 years do so BECAUSE they give every thing back to Father .......only then can the end of the book of The Revelation be understood .....as one steps out of the book .....these last 70 years are those given to MAN ......which MAY be extended an additional 10 years .....

(not dogmatic linear time as men understand time)

as for what i WAS ......rather than what I AM .....

i once was not yet to the BEGINNING ... i NOW am .....

the Word that was made flesh and walks amongst men is GENESIS/BEGINNING ...........

that time when the individual singularity of that which I AM ....awakens in each new NOW virgin...with all possible possibilities presented and having the ability to make the choose most functional for NOW .......

i once was you .....as you are still in the book in which you seek to find you in ........
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Oh, what tangled webs we weave.....................
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I was waiting for OWOW! to reply to DGN with some scriptures to prove what they said but they provided none? therefore what was said made no sense. maybe OWOW! can reply again, this time using scriptures to prove their point?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden

Gee, every time someone post Scriptures, every body complains, fail to post Scriptures and you get complaints.
It's a NO WIN situation.
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"Next, the end, when he hands over the kingdom to his God and Father, when he has brought to nothing all government and all authority and power. 25 For he must rule as king until [God] has put all enemies under his feet. 26 As the last enemy, death is to be brought to nothing. 27 For [God] “subjected all things under his feet.” But when he says that ‘all things have been subjected,’ it is evident that it is with the exception of the one who subjected all things to him. 28 But when all things will have been subjected to him, then the Son himself will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone." 1Cor15:24
 Quoting: DGN

Simply put:
Jesus, the Son of Man, hands over the Kingdom to the Father, God, Ruler of All things. This satisfies Divine Order.
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I was waiting for OWOW! to reply to DGN with some scriptures to prove what they said but they provided none? therefore what was said made no sense. maybe OWOW! can reply again, this time using scriptures to prove their point?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden

Gee, every time someone post Scriptures, every body complains, fail to post Scriptures and you get complaints.
It's a NO WIN situation.

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you have a point that people will complain if scriptures are quoted, people will complain if scriptures are not quoted. we can never please everybody- how true is that! I just find that when people teach the Trinity doctrine, and claim the doctrine is to be found in Gods Word- The Bible, then it only goes to reason that a thorough explanation should be provided with scriptures to back each thought.
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I was waiting for OWOW! to reply to DGN with some scriptures to prove what they said but they provided none? therefore what was said made no sense. maybe OWOW! can reply again, this time using scriptures to prove their point?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden

Gee, every time someone post Scriptures, every body complains, fail to post Scriptures and you get complaints.
It's a NO WIN situation.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29307060


you have a point that people will complain if scriptures are quoted, people will complain if scriptures are not quoted. we can never please everybody- how true is that! I just find that when people teach the Trinity doctrine, and claim the doctrine is to be found in Gods Word- The Bible, then it only goes to reason that a thorough explanation should be provided with scriptures to back each thought.
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Oh stop already. If you will observe my first post, I was not trying to teach the trinity doctrine, otherwise I would have directly quoted scripture. I was however, answering DGN on " If Jesus is God how does he hand over the kingdom of God at the end of the 1000 years. My viewpoint is from the triune God as revealed in scripture.

It is a well reasoned answer from this revealed truth of God. I reject any ascendency of mere man into a God, I reject Jesus as being a created from dirt being, I do know that only God is able to save to the utmost all that was lost at the fall, and only Jesus could have saved anyone with His sacrificial death on the cross, for the punishment for sin is death to all mankind. Jesus is sinless, without spot or blemish. This is my view.

So no, not defending my stance on the Trinity, but explaining scripture from this position was my intent.
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I was waiting for OWOW! to reply to DGN with some scriptures to prove what they said but they provided none? therefore what was said made no sense. maybe OWOW! can reply again, this time using scriptures to prove their point?
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden

Gee, every time someone post Scriptures, every body complains, fail to post Scriptures and you get complaints.
It's a NO WIN situation.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29307060


you have a point that people will complain if scriptures are quoted, people will complain if scriptures are not quoted. we can never please everybody- how true is that! I just find that when people teach the Trinity doctrine, and claim the doctrine is to be found in Gods Word- The Bible, then it only goes to reason that a thorough explanation should be provided with scriptures to back each thought.
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Oh stop already. If you will observe my first post, I was not trying to teach the trinity doctrine, otherwise I would have directly quoted scripture. I was however, answering DGN on " If Jesus is God how does he hand over the kingdom of God at the end of the 1000 years. My viewpoint is from the triune God as revealed in scripture.

It is a well reasoned answer from this revealed truth of God. I reject any ascendency of mere man into a God, I reject Jesus as being a created from dirt being, I do know that only God is able to save to the utmost all that was lost at the fall, and only Jesus could have saved anyone with His sacrificial death on the cross, for the punishment for sin is death to all mankind. Jesus is sinless, without spot or blemish. This is my view.

So no, not defending my stance on the Trinity, but explaining scripture from this position was my intent.
 Quoting: Ohwow!


with all due respect, in your attempt to answer DGN - you DID start off by saying {quote} " Jesus is God, God is triune, yet three distinct persons.."- {if I were to accept your further explanation to DGN's question, I would first have to have proven to me from scripture that Jesus is indeed God, and how they could be triune_ which means trinity- to have the rest of your explanation make any sense}
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Gee, every time someone post Scriptures, every body complains, fail to post Scriptures and you get complaints.
It's a NO WIN situation.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29307060


you have a point that people will complain if scriptures are quoted, people will complain if scriptures are not quoted. we can never please everybody- how true is that! I just find that when people teach the Trinity doctrine, and claim the doctrine is to be found in Gods Word- The Bible, then it only goes to reason that a thorough explanation should be provided with scriptures to back each thought.
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Oh stop already. If you will observe my first post, I was not trying to teach the trinity doctrine, otherwise I would have directly quoted scripture. I was however, answering DGN on " If Jesus is God how does he hand over the kingdom of God at the end of the 1000 years. My viewpoint is from the triune God as revealed in scripture.

Yes, I state my position clearly. All my thoughts and theological discernment begins on this one truth. Better to know where a person stands from the start, yes?


It is a well reasoned answer from this revealed truth of God. I reject any ascendency of mere man into a God, I reject Jesus as being a created from dirt being, I do know that only God is able to save to the utmost all that was lost at the fall, and only Jesus could have saved anyone with His sacrificial death on the cross, for the punishment for sin is death to all mankind. Jesus is sinless, without spot or blemish. This is my view.

So no, not defending my stance on the Trinity, but explaining scripture from this position was my intent.
 Quoting: Ohwow!


with all due respect, in your attempt to answer DGN - you DID start off by saying {quote} " Jesus is God, God is triune, yet three distinct persons.."- {if I were to accept your further explanation to DGN's question, I would first have to have proven to me from scripture that Jesus is indeed God, and how they could be triune_ which means trinity- to have the rest of your explanation make any sense}
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


This thread again, is not about proving anything of the Triune God. That is my theological stance when I inquire of the things of God. Is it so hard to see that I am not out to prove my position on this thread, which is not about the subject that you are so intent on turning this short discussion to address?
DGN and I have communicated on this forum for some long time. I know we do not see eye to eye nor is it my desire to persuade him in any manner, just as he puts forth interesting questions, he knows what belief I answer from - Is this so hard?

I will leave you with this. Name one attribute of God that is not said about Jesus. Only God has these attributes, no mere man of dirt, or some enlightened ascended master do gooder.

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you have a point that people will complain if scriptures are quoted, people will complain if scriptures are not quoted. we can never please everybody- how true is that! I just find that when people teach the Trinity doctrine, and claim the doctrine is to be found in Gods Word- The Bible, then it only goes to reason that a thorough explanation should be provided with scriptures to back each thought.
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


Oh stop already. If you will observe my first post, I was not trying to teach the trinity doctrine, otherwise I would have directly quoted scripture. I was however, answering DGN on " If Jesus is God how does he hand over the kingdom of God at the end of the 1000 years. My viewpoint is from the triune God as revealed in scripture.

Yes, I state my position clearly. All my thoughts and theological discernment begins on this one truth. Better to know where a person stands from the start, yes?


It is a well reasoned answer from this revealed truth of God. I reject any ascendency of mere man into a God, I reject Jesus as being a created from dirt being, I do know that only God is able to save to the utmost all that was lost at the fall, and only Jesus could have saved anyone with His sacrificial death on the cross, for the punishment for sin is death to all mankind. Jesus is sinless, without spot or blemish. This is my view.

So no, not defending my stance on the Trinity, but explaining scripture from this position was my intent.
 Quoting: Ohwow!


with all due respect, in your attempt to answer DGN - you DID start off by saying {quote} " Jesus is God, God is triune, yet three distinct persons.."- {if I were to accept your further explanation to DGN's question, I would first have to have proven to me from scripture that Jesus is indeed God, and how they could be triune_ which means trinity- to have the rest of your explanation make any sense}
 Quoting: CelestialMaiden


This thread again, is not about proving anything of the Triune God. That is my theological stance when I inquire of the things of God. Is it so hard to see that I am not out to prove my position on this thread, which is not about the subject that you are so intent on turning this short discussion to address?
DGN and I have communicated on this forum for some long time. I know we do not see eye to eye nor is it my desire to persuade him in any manner, just as he puts forth interesting questions, he knows what belief I answer from - Is this so hard?

I will leave you with this. Name one attribute of God that is not said about Jesus. Only God has these attributes, no mere man of dirt, or some enlightened ascended master do gooder.
[/quote _forgive me my scriptural ignorance. I find DGN's questions interesting as well, you and I have that in common. that's the reason for this discussion. you asked me to name an attribute God has that is NOT attributed to Jesus. Colossians 1;15 says: " He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation." -and Revelation 3:14 says: " These are the things the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION BY GOD".- Christ had a clear beginning-nowhere does the Bible say the same of God- and nowhere do I read that Christ was created of "dirt"-
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Oh stop already. If you will observe my first post, I was not trying to teach the trinity doctrine, otherwise I would have directly quoted scripture. I was however, answering DGN on " If Jesus is God how does he hand over the kingdom of God at the end of the 1000 years. My viewpoint is from the triune God as revealed in scripture.

Yes, I state my position clearly. All my thoughts and theological discernment begins on this one truth. Better to know where a person stands from the start, yes?


It is a well reasoned answer from this revealed truth of God. I reject any ascendency of mere man into a God, I reject Jesus as being a created from dirt being, I do know that only God is able to save to the utmost all that was lost at the fall, and only Jesus could have saved anyone with His sacrificial death on the cross, for the punishment for sin is death to all mankind. Jesus is sinless, without spot or blemish. This is my view.

So no, not defending my stance on the Trinity, but explaining scripture from this position was my intent.
 Quoting: Ohwow!


with all due respect, in your attempt to answer DGN - you DID start off by saying {quote} " Jesus is God, God is triune, yet three distinct persons.."- {if I were to accept your further explanation to DGN's question, I would first have to have proven to me from scripture that Jesus is indeed God, and how they could be triune_ which means trinity- to have the rest of your explanation make any sense}
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This thread again, is not about proving anything of the Triune God. That is my theological stance when I inquire of the things of God. Is it so hard to see that I am not out to prove my position on this thread, which is not about the subject that you are so intent on turning this short discussion to address?
DGN and I have communicated on this forum for some long time. I know we do not see eye to eye nor is it my desire to persuade him in any manner, just as he puts forth interesting questions, he knows what belief I answer from - Is this so hard?

I will leave you with this. Name one attribute of God that is not said about Jesus. Only God has these attributes, no mere man of dirt, or some enlightened ascended master do gooder.
[/quote _forgive me my scriptural ignorance. I find DGN's questions interesting as well, you and I have that in common. that's the reason for this discussion. you asked me to name an attribute God has that is NOT attributed to Jesus. Colossians 1;15 says: " He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation." -and Revelation 3:14 says: " These are the things the Amen says, the faithful and true witness, THE BEGINNING OF THE CREATION BY GOD".- Christ had a clear beginning-nowhere does the Bible say the same of God- and nowhere do I read that Christ was created of "dirt"-
 Quoting: Ohwow!


chuckle Nice!
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when men get beyond the thought of the "creation of god" ...and find their way to the fact that "i am the beginning and the end" ...the "first and the last" .....and the "alpha and the omega" .....THEN .....as the completed thought of this .....you will have gotten OUT OF THE TREE .....out of the RIVER .....and out of the BOOK ......

those searching the creation of God ...will remain in the triune of these ..seeking God ....and never finding him .....

this same Jesus you thought you believed went into the CLOUDS .....is the same Jesus who returns as THE SON OF MAN ......

why continue to sodomize the scriptures ......you are that which you seek ...and be thankful that JESUS finished the WAY in which YOU can complete your journey to YOUR beginning .....

those only of existence do not taste of LIFE ..those of LIFE easily walk in existence ....
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