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Right to bear arms, but not right to health care

 
milehighmike

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Define "Healthcare"? You mean FREE Healthcare, right?

You can go to any hospital and they CANNOT turn you away because you DON'T have the ability to pay for the services you receive, so who is being deprived of what?

Where does personal responsibility for the decisions one makes to eat poorly, smoke, drink & take drugs come into the picture? And the obvious negative health impact of these decisions?

Should EVERYONE be eligible to receive FREE organ transplants too?

Where do YOU draw the line? And what gives YOU that right?

NOTHING is "FREE"...

Keep emoting away...

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Thanks OPie for answering my "uncomfortable" (for YOU) questions....

 Quoting: milehighmike


I see your point - money and guns is more important than love for your neighbor.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10566369


I'll play along with you, but since I DIDN'T mention EITHER guns or money, I'm NOT certain how you can draw that delusional conclusion from the questions I asked, but keep emoting...


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Well it is an interesting question. We have the ability to heal most diseases, something we couldn't do just a century ago. You could argue from a moral standpoint if we have the capability of doing so shouldn't we do it?
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Oh...poor Jon (bless your heart) are you too challenged to understand the concept of "nothing is for free"?

Dumbass.
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Don't you have some guns to polish?
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Not today. I'm busy defending the constitution from asshats like you.
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Re: Right to bear arms, but not right to health care
Define "Healthcare"? You mean FREE Healthcare, right?

You can go to any hospital and they CANNOT turn you away because you DON'T have the ability to pay for the services you receive, so who is being deprived of what?

Where does personal responsibility for the decisions one makes to eat poorly, smoke, drink & take drugs come into the picture? And the obvious negative health impact of these decisions?

Should EVERYONE be eligible to receive FREE organ transplants too?

Where do YOU draw the line? And what gives YOU that right?

NOTHING is "FREE"...

Keep emoting away...

 Quoting: milehighmike


Thanks OPie for answering my "uncomfortable" (for YOU) questions....

 Quoting: milehighmike


I see your point - money and guns is more important than love for your neighbor.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10566369


I'll play along with you, but since I DIDN'T mention EITHER guns or money, I'm NOT certain how you can draw that delusional conclusion from the questions I asked, but keep emoting...


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 Quoting: milehighmike


Resorting to insulting the person speaking rather than addressing the argument put forth is a sign of intellectual weakness.

My point stands on the Word of God. Yours stands on petty, childish insults.
milehighmike

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12/16/2012 01:35 PM

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Thanks OPie for answering my "uncomfortable" (for YOU) questions....

 Quoting: milehighmike


I see your point - money and guns is more important than love for your neighbor.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10566369


I'll play along with you, but since I DIDN'T mention EITHER guns or money, I'm NOT certain how you can draw that delusional conclusion from the questions I asked, but keep emoting...


dumbass
 Quoting: milehighmike


Resorting to insulting the person speaking rather than addressing the argument put forth is a sign of intellectual weakness.

My point stands on the Word of God. Yours stands on petty, childish insults.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10566369


I bow to your moral and intellectual superiority, but you are STILL a
dumbass

And NOT answering legitimate questions is the sign of the weakness of your "points"...


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Re: Right to bear arms, but not right to health care
Something is screwed up in this country.
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You don't see the difference?
We have a GOD GIVEN RIGHT to protect ourselves
and to defend our live and property.
The cost of that defense is borne by the
individual.

Health care is a SERVICE that requires the time
and labor of others.

NOBODY has a GOD GIVEN RIGHT to the time or labor
of others, quite the CONTRARY.

To demand the time and labor of others, as
your right, would make them your slaves.

If anyone wants to make their time or labor
available to you, free of charge,

THAT IS THEIR RIGHT.

There are many CHARITIES which will help you
if you have no means of your own.

BUT,
YOU CANNOT DEMAND THAT THE GOVERNMENT FORCE
OTHERS TO PROVIDE YOU THEIR TIME AND LABOR,
FREE OF CHARGE.
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12/16/2012 01:40 PM
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Something is screwed up in this country.
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yes indeed.. it is your opinions. quote where there is a right to "healthcare" enumerated in the US Constitution.. I'll wait.
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12/16/2012 01:42 PM
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I don't buy YOU a gun but they're making me buy YOU health car.

The second amend give you the RIGHT to own not the right to be given.

BIG difference!! Even somebody trying to do the twist like you are should be able to see that but of coarse it's difficult through your drug induced haze!
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THIS TIMES 100000000000
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12/16/2012 01:43 PM
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Well it is an interesting question. We have the ability to heal most diseases, something we couldn't do just a century ago. You could argue from a moral standpoint if we have the capability of doing so shouldn't we do it?
 Quoting: John Kimble


Oh...poor Jon (bless your heart) are you too challenged to understand the concept of "nothing is for free"?

Dumbass.
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Don't you have some guns to polish?
 Quoting: John Kimble


Not today. I'm busy defending the constitution from asshats like you.
 Quoting: Chip

Full time fuckin job around here eh?
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12/16/2012 01:46 PM
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Dear OP
Your response dealing with "having guns and money is more important than love for each other" is venial at best.

You are carrying fuel for a fire that I did not ignite.

B eing responsible for yourself and family is our obligation.
Our healtcare problem which is far and away distant from the gun issue is the result of making the health care industry , that, an industry and 'for profit' one At that.

Historically it never was.

It needs addressing but you have totally ignored that we ARE funding free health care for so many who do not and have not decided they have moral obligagtions to do what I posted above and, instead, they use our muscle and resources to receive this for free.

You can say who loves and who doesn't but it will alter nothing until you get on the right path of logic and involve yourself in the differences.

My son who is married, owns a small business and has a daughter who got herself pregnant, is living with her boyfriend, father to child(he is taking an accelerated schooling to become a respiratory therapist and had earlier planned on becoming a doctor), draws welfare assistance. he just turned 18 this year. Her half sisters moved down to California from Idaho, one has two children and twins on the way and is going to work but will receive assistance regardless and the other, seeing the attention her half sister received got herself pregnant and is not trying to work and receives 800 dollars permonth and lives at my son's(our house we own) and he cannot get her to leave and we do not want her there.

We are drowning in taking care of others.
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Oh...poor Jon (bless your heart) are you too challenged to understand the concept of "nothing is for free"?

Dumbass.
 Quoting: Chip


Don't you have some guns to polish?
 Quoting: John Kimble


Not today. I'm busy defending the constitution from asshats like you.
 Quoting: Chip

Full time fuckin job around here eh?
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No joke man. I think my post count has gone up by 1000 in the last couple of days. Ridiculous.
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Something is screwed up in this country.
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People who own guns legally don't force other people to pay for the guns and ammo.
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12/16/2012 01:56 PM
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What is screwed up is that we spend the most on health care and we rank at #38.

You can buy international health insurance, and the cost is based on which country you reside in. But it will not cover you in the u.s. due to the outrageous cost.

Medical bills are the number one reason for bankruptcies in the u.s.
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Gag me.

You have the right to puchase a weapon and ammunition and you have the right to pay for health insurance, get over it.

Contained herein both these rights are both being able to refuse you either due to other issues, .

Perhaps a discussion on how denial comes about with both or either?
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Yes. I see your point.

Having weapons and money is more important than unconditional love for one another.
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Unconditional Love means; using a gun to protect an Anti Gunner, from a Nut case with a weapon, be it a gun or a knife!
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12/16/2012 04:17 PM
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What is screwed up is that we spend the most on health care and we rank at #38.

You can buy international health insurance, and the cost is based on which country you reside in. But it will not cover you in the u.s. due to the outrageous cost.

Medical bills are the number one reason for bankruptcies in the u.s.
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Yep
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Something is screwed up in this country.
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Something's twisted all right. And you can notice you'll get few responses from people in countries that have national health care. Why would they mess with a good thing?

A civil society wants it's citizens to have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. How can a society pusue these things if it's sick?
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What is screwed up is that we spend the most on health care and we rank at #38.

You can buy international health insurance, and the cost is based on which country you reside in. But it will not cover you in the u.s. due to the outrageous cost.

Medical bills are the number one reason for bankruptcies in the u.s.
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Yes, yes and yes. Notice how the debate is framed always around affordable health insurance rather than simply affordable health care yet no one, NO ONE really wants to take on the question of why health care in the US is so fucking expensive?
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Something is screwed up in this country.
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you really don't understand the difference between "rights" and "responsibility" do you?

everyone in this country has the right to healthcare, but it is your responsibility to provide it for your self.

do you ask your neighbors to buy you food? is food a right or a responsibility to provide it for yourself.

our government is not altruistic and really doesn't give a rat's ass if you are treated or not, but they do love the power of life and death that you just hand to them? are you really so stupid?
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Something is screwed up in this country.
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Something's twisted all right. And you can notice you'll get few responses from people in countries that have national health care. Why would they mess with a good thing?

A civil society wants it's citizens to have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. How can a society pusue these things if it's sick?
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BINGO.
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12/16/2012 05:02 PM
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The correct verse reads:

"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' Matthew 25:40

We're responsible for creating the culture and atmosphere in which people who suffer start to act out. And our best logical response is "MORE GUNS!"

What about turning the other cheek? What about loving our neighbor as ourselves?

Nope. Certainly not in THIS country.
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He (JESUS) said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.
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Jesus wasn't talking literally about a sword. Oh, wait...did you didn't actually cut your own eye out...right?
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so most people on this thread disagree with the op?

he doesnt quite get the logic
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No something is wrong with you OP, get off your lazy ass and get a job.
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Something is screwed up in this country.
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Right to bear arms doesn't mean you will be given a gun for free. Your choice. Same for healthcare. Choice.
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Perpetuation of weakness with crutches like "medicine" has been an evil allowance. Gonna be all fixed soon rockon
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sorry op

you live among evil and greedy people
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I'm not the OP, but here's my British Libtard take on it:

Define "Healthcare"? You mean FREE Healthcare, right?
 Quoting: milehighmike


Emergency care that is completely "Free at the point of use" (paid for by tax money, how that's raised isn't part of this discussion) would be a good start.

You can go to any hospital and they CANNOT turn you away because you DON'T have the ability to pay for the services you receive, so who is being deprived of what?
 Quoting: milehighmike


Unless you have literally no money you have the ability to pay something though, and you do hear of cases of people being essentially bankrupted by the cost of emergency care.

Where does personal responsibility for the decisions one makes to eat poorly, smoke, drink & take drugs come into the picture? And the obvious negative health impact of these decisions?
 Quoting: milehighmike


That's a good question. There's arguments over it in the UK at the moment. I honestly don't really know the answer.

Should EVERYONE be eligible to receive FREE organ transplants too?
 Quoting: milehighmike


Depends on why they need it.

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OP.. you have an agenda and it makes me sick.. you are like the rest of the antigun half-wits of GLP.. You are nothing more then a troll.. a slimy troll that I hope someone scraps off the bottem of thier boot soon.
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It's just too damn cold to bear arms
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I'm not the OP, but here's my British Libtard take on it:

Define "Healthcare"? You mean FREE Healthcare, right?
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Emergency care that is completely "Free at the point of use" (paid for by tax money, how that's raised isn't part of this discussion) would be a good start.

You can go to any hospital and they CANNOT turn you away because you DON'T have the ability to pay for the services you receive, so who is being deprived of what?
 Quoting: milehighmike


Unless you have literally no money you have the ability to pay something though, and you do hear of cases of people being essentially bankrupted by the cost of emergency care.

Where does personal responsibility for the decisions one makes to eat poorly, smoke, drink & take drugs come into the picture? And the obvious negative health impact of these decisions?
 Quoting: milehighmike


That's a good question. There's arguments over it in the UK at the moment. I honestly don't really know the answer.

Should EVERYONE be eligible to receive FREE organ transplants too?
 Quoting: milehighmike


Depends on why they need it.
 Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux

THANK YOU for you expressing your opinions without being an ass cheers
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Who needs healthcare? Fucking wimp you dragging our society down. Time to cut the cancerous bag of the needy weak. That will never be a part of the future. rockon
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Other than stitches and broken bones, most of that alleged health care will kill you.

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