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Right to bear arms, but not right to health care

 
Anonymous Coward
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Other than stitches and broken bones, most of that alleged health care will kill you.
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Should trained doctors and nurses take care of you, for free?

Really?
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Something is screwed up in this country.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10566369


The right is to bear arms. It doesn't say anything about free firearms. You can get healthcare, but I shouldn't have to pay for it for you.
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12/16/2012 08:32 PM
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What do you want? Lots of radiation and pills?
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12/16/2012 08:40 PM
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Should trained doctors and nurses take care of you, for free?

Really?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30051589


Define free. Free is not the same as "Free at the point of use"
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12/16/2012 08:45 PM
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Something is screwed up in this country.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10566369


I would put it this way:
Plenty of money to wage wars but not enough money to buy a health insurance policy for every person in the country.
(By the way healthcare is provided by doctors and nurses, not the government).
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12/16/2012 08:51 PM
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Should trained doctors and nurses take care of you, for free?

Really?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30051589


He is a left-wing parasite.
He thinks "the government" should pay for it.
In other words, THE TAXPAYER.

Liberals have no problem enslaving others to work
for them, which is why they are so enamored of
socialism, and communism.
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12/16/2012 09:26 PM
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You have exactly the same right to Health care as you do to firearms.

Any amount of either you are able to pay for, you can have.

Nobody gives away free guns, and also, nobody gives away free health care, how can you say there is a difference when they are dealt with the exact same way?
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12/16/2012 11:24 PM
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Jesus was a liberal.

"Give to every man that asketh of thee; and of him that taketh away thy goods ask them not again." Luke 6:30
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12/16/2012 11:35 PM
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Your argument is flawed.....you have a right to bear arms and have health care in this country. Neither should be given for free though
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12/17/2012 12:04 AM
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Your argument is flawed.....you have a right to bear arms and have health care in this country. Neither should be given for free though
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 24209131


Perhaps you do not understand the argument ;)
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12/17/2012 12:27 AM
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Something is screwed up in this country.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10566369


The concept of socialized health care, and a welfare state did not exist when the constitution was framed. The right to bear arms is a part of the constitution, which is an agreement between a corporate person (the federation) and the citizens of all the states within the federation. The responsibility of delivering health care is a state responsibility, not federal one.
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The Constitution was created to be a living document - meaning - it was adaptable and could be amended (as is evidenced by the amendments made already).
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The Constitution was created to be a living document - meaning - it was adaptable and could be amended (as is evidenced by the amendments made already).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10566369


What a fucking dumbass
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12/17/2012 12:37 AM

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I am my brothers keeper.

"When you do unto the least of these, you do unto me".

Tsk Tsk. And we consider ourselves a Christian nation... Hell bent on clinging to our guns. We are ALL culpable and responsible for creating a society that creates mass murderers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30053889


How convenient to pull out that we are a Christian Nation when you know religion is being suppressed and even prayer is banned in schools you cannot have it your way then blame the belief system of others as being faulty.

Banning guns solves nothing when the left has systematically removed God from everyone we once held dear to us as Americans. Further in all countries that have banned guns have only successfully removed guns from law-abiding citizens and simply look at the control drug cartels have and the body count each year.

Look at our own country with roving gangs of youths robbing stores and malls and tell me whose fault is this really.

Do you really believe we want to become as helpless as you are with a crime rate such as in the United Kingdom that has far fewer people and land mass? In the United Kingdom, law-abiding citizens were forced to turn in their guns and you somehow feel safer knowing gang members and criminals have guns.

We “keep” an ever-increasing amount of entitled people on the various welfare rolls and all we have created is dependant people with no self-respect and plenty of time on their hands.


Crime Statistics > Total crimes (most recent) by country
[link to www.nationmaster.com]

Young guns for hire: gangs recruiting children for contract killings
[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

Britain, Australia top U.S. in violent crime Rates Down Under increase despite strict gun-control measures
[link to consumercide.com]

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN
[link to www.ncpa.org]
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I am my brothers keeper.

"When you do unto the least of these, you do unto me".

Tsk Tsk. And we consider ourselves a Christian nation... Hell bent on clinging to our guns. We are ALL culpable and responsible for creating a society that creates mass murderers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30053889


How convenient to pull out that we are a Christian Nation when you know religion is being suppressed and even prayer is banned in schools you cannot have it your way then blame the belief system of others as being faulty.

Banning guns solves nothing when the left has systematically removed God from everyone we once held dear to us as Americans. Further in all countries that have banned guns have only successfully removed guns from law-abiding citizens and simply look at the control drug cartels have and the body count each year.

Look at our own country with roving gangs of youths robbing stores and malls and tell me whose fault is this really.

Do you really believe we want to become as helpless as you are with a crime rate such as in the United Kingdom that has far fewer people and land mass? In the United Kingdom, law-abiding citizens were forced to turn in their guns and you somehow feel safer knowing gang members and criminals have guns.

We “keep” an ever-increasing amount of entitled people on the various welfare rolls and all we have created is dependant people with no self-respect and plenty of time on their hands.


Crime Statistics > Total crimes (most recent) by country
[link to www.nationmaster.com]

Young guns for hire: gangs recruiting children for contract killings
[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

Britain, Australia top U.S. in violent crime Rates Down Under increase despite strict gun-control measures
[link to consumercide.com]

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN
[link to www.ncpa.org]
 Quoting: SilverPatriot


Jesus was pretty clear in his teachings.

And you want statistics, you *DO* know that the USA has the most gun related homicides *by far* of any industrialized nation, right? By PERCENTAGE, too.

[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
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12/17/2012 12:52 AM

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The Constitution was created to be a living document - meaning - it was adaptable and could be amended (as is evidenced by the amendments made already).
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Amended does not mean abolished. Morons! I swear.
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12/17/2012 12:57 AM

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Something is screwed up in this country.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10566369


You don't see the difference?
We have a GOD GIVEN RIGHT to protect ourselves
and to defend our live and property.
The cost of that defense is borne by the
individual.

Health care is a SERVICE that requires the time
and labor of others.

NOBODY has a GOD GIVEN RIGHT to the time or labor
of others, quite the CONTRARY.

To demand the time and labor of others, as
your right, would make them your slaves.

If anyone wants to make their time or labor
available to you, free of charge,

THAT IS THEIR RIGHT.

There are many CHARITIES which will help you
if you have no means of your own.

BUT,
YOU CANNOT DEMAND THAT THE GOVERNMENT FORCE
OTHERS TO PROVIDE YOU THEIR TIME AND LABOR,
FREE OF CHARGE.

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29961838


bump
Anonymous Coward (OP)
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12/17/2012 01:25 AM
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The Constitution was created to be a living document - meaning - it was adaptable and could be amended (as is evidenced by the amendments made already).
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10566369


Amended does not mean abolished. Morons! I swear.
 Quoting: CatBTX


The 13th amendment abolished slavery.

Learn some history.
SilverPatriot

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12/17/2012 03:34 PM

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I am my brothers keeper.

"When you do unto the least of these, you do unto me".

Tsk Tsk. And we consider ourselves a Christian nation... Hell bent on clinging to our guns. We are ALL culpable and responsible for creating a society that creates mass murderers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30053889


How convenient to pull out that we are a Christian Nation when you know religion is being suppressed and even prayer is banned in schools you cannot have it your way then blame the belief system of others as being faulty.

Banning guns solves nothing when the left has systematically removed God from everyone we once held dear to us as Americans. Further in all countries that have banned guns have only successfully removed guns from law-abiding citizens and simply look at the control drug cartels have and the body count each year.

Look at our own country with roving gangs of youths robbing stores and malls and tell me whose fault is this really.

Do you really believe we want to become as helpless as you are with a crime rate such as in the United Kingdom that has far fewer people and land mass? In the United Kingdom, law-abiding citizens were forced to turn in their guns and you somehow feel safer knowing gang members and criminals have guns.

We “keep” an ever-increasing amount of entitled people on the various welfare rolls and all we have created is dependant people with no self-respect and plenty of time on their hands.


Crime Statistics > Total crimes (most recent) by country
[link to www.nationmaster.com]

Young guns for hire: gangs recruiting children for contract killings
[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

Britain, Australia top U.S. in violent crime Rates Down Under increase despite strict gun-control measures
[link to consumercide.com]

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN
[link to www.ncpa.org]
 Quoting: SilverPatriot


Jesus was pretty clear in his teachings.

And you want statistics, you *DO* know that the USA has the most gun related homicides *by far* of any industrialized nation, right? By PERCENTAGE, too.

[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10566369


Would you not agree that gangs and NOT the law-abiding citizen perpetuate the overwhelming percentage of all violence in America? If they removed guns from law-abiding citizens how long, would it take for gangs and drug cartels to take over thus slaughtering countless innocents?
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I am my brothers keeper.

"When you do unto the least of these, you do unto me".

Tsk Tsk. And we consider ourselves a Christian nation... Hell bent on clinging to our guns. We are ALL culpable and responsible for creating a society that creates mass murderers.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30053889


How convenient to pull out that we are a Christian Nation when you know religion is being suppressed and even prayer is banned in schools you cannot have it your way then blame the belief system of others as being faulty.

Banning guns solves nothing when the left has systematically removed God from everyone we once held dear to us as Americans. Further in all countries that have banned guns have only successfully removed guns from law-abiding citizens and simply look at the control drug cartels have and the body count each year.

Look at our own country with roving gangs of youths robbing stores and malls and tell me whose fault is this really.

Do you really believe we want to become as helpless as you are with a crime rate such as in the United Kingdom that has far fewer people and land mass? In the United Kingdom, law-abiding citizens were forced to turn in their guns and you somehow feel safer knowing gang members and criminals have guns.

We “keep” an ever-increasing amount of entitled people on the various welfare rolls and all we have created is dependant people with no self-respect and plenty of time on their hands.


Crime Statistics > Total crimes (most recent) by country
[link to www.nationmaster.com]

Young guns for hire: gangs recruiting children for contract killings
[link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

Culture of violence: Gun crime goes up by 89% in a decade
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

Britain, Australia top U.S. in violent crime Rates Down Under increase despite strict gun-control measures
[link to consumercide.com]

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN
[link to www.ncpa.org]
 Quoting: SilverPatriot


Jesus was pretty clear in his teachings.

And you want statistics, you *DO* know that the USA has the most gun related homicides *by far* of any industrialized nation, right? By PERCENTAGE, too.

[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10566369


Would you not agree that gangs and NOT the law-abiding citizen perpetuate the overwhelming percentage of all violence in America? If they removed guns from law-abiding citizens how long, would it take for gangs and drug cartels to take over thus slaughtering countless innocents?
 Quoting: SilverPatriot


How would Jesus respond to your question? (Hint - its already in the Bible).
Anonymous Coward
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12/17/2012 06:48 PM
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Something is screwed up in this country.
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Maybe you should also have a "right" to three hots and a cot, every day?

Well, that's easily taken care of.

Just commit a heinous felony!

You fucking Commie-Pinko Gnee-Grah!
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Something is screwed up in this country.
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Maybe you should also have a "right" to three hots and a cot, every day?

Well, that's easily taken care of.

Just commit a heinous felony!

You fucking Commie-Pinko Gnee-Grah!
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Jesus was a liberal. And you are filled with hate.
viking thunder

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Jesus was not a liberal. Jesus believed that the people should take care of the poor themselves. He did not say the government should force-ably steal from the masses to give to the poor.

There is a big big difference.
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Jesus was not a liberal. Jesus believed that the people should take care of the poor themselves. He did not say the government should force-ably steal from the masses to give to the poor.

There is a big big difference.
 Quoting: viking thunder


Well that didn't happen. The poor were not taken care of, and in fact, have been taken advantage of by the wealthier people gaming the system to their advantage.

So your response is ... let them rot away because the government shouldn't be doing it?

Very compassionate of you.

And hell yes, Jesus was a liberal. All of his teachings demand liberalism from his followers. Love one another? If a person asks for your shirt, give him your cloak also? Turn the other cheek? Easier for a man to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the 'kingdom' of heaven'? Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?

Sounds pretty damn liberal to me.
viking thunder

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There are no poor in this country from a biblical standpoint. even the lowest 1% of wealth in our country are in the top 5% of the world in wealth.

People in the Us think they are poor, but they have a home, with heating and cooling, they have food, and drink, and shoes, and clothes, and a tv.but they bitch about how poor they are.

people with much less in other countries know they have a good family and life, and consider themselves rich.

Rich and poor are a state of mind for the most part, and Americans are wonderful and making themselves SOUND LIKE VICTIMS.
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Jesus was not a liberal. Jesus believed that the people should take care of the poor themselves. He did not say the government should force-ably steal from the masses to give to the poor.

There is a big big difference.
 Quoting: viking thunder


Well that didn't happen. The poor were not taken care of, and in fact, have been taken advantage of by the wealthier people gaming the system to their advantage.

So your response is ... let them rot away because the government shouldn't be doing it?

Very compassionate of you.

And hell yes, Jesus was a liberal. All of his teachings demand liberalism from his followers. Love one another? If a person asks for your shirt, give him your cloak also? Turn the other cheek? Easier for a man to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the 'kingdom' of heaven'? Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?

Sounds pretty damn liberal to me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10566369


PLEASE define "taken care of". Poor people in this country, for the most part, have it pretty damned good compared to the rest of the world. NOTHING is "free"...I know this is contrary to your clearly black-and-white worldview...
"Successful people are always looking for opportunities to help others. Unsuccessful people are always asking, 'What's in it for me?'" — Brian Tracy: Personal and business training author, speaker, and consultant

"We are all, right now, living the life we choose." -- Peter McWilliams, Author

"The bad news is time flies. The good news is you're the pilot." -- Michael Altshuler
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12/17/2012 08:07 PM
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Health care can kill you.
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12/17/2012 08:23 PM
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Your premise for the argument is flawed

Arms and Health care have nothing to do with each other
a "Right " to one does not automatically give you a "Right" to anything else....ANYTHING....

But don't let that dusty old document get in your way..
SunDogsbd
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Jesus was not a liberal. Jesus believed that the people should take care of the poor themselves. He did not say the government should force-ably steal from the masses to give to the poor.

There is a big big difference.
 Quoting: viking thunder


Well that didn't happen. The poor were not taken care of, and in fact, have been taken advantage of by the wealthier people gaming the system to their advantage.

So your response is ... let them rot away because the government shouldn't be doing it?

Very compassionate of you.

And hell yes, Jesus was a liberal. All of his teachings demand liberalism from his followers. Love one another? If a person asks for your shirt, give him your cloak also? Turn the other cheek? Easier for a man to pass through the eye of a needle than it is for a rich man to enter the 'kingdom' of heaven'? Do unto others as you would have them do unto you?

Sounds pretty damn liberal to me.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10566369


Well Jesus sounds like a very Charitable bloke yes?
Now....by choice or force...
SunDogsbd

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