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milehighmike User ID: 339344 United States 12/16/2012 01:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I see your point - money and guns is more important than love for your neighbor. I'll play along with you, but since I DIDN'T mention EITHER guns or money, I'm NOT certain how you can draw that delusional conclusion from the questions I asked, but keep emoting... Resorting to insulting the person speaking rather than addressing the argument put forth is a sign of intellectual weakness. My point stands on the Word of God. Yours stands on petty, childish insults. I bow to your moral and intellectual superiority, but you are STILL a And NOT answering legitimate questions is the sign of the weakness of your "points"... Last Edited by milehighmike on 12/16/2012 01:36 PM "Successful people are always looking for opportunities to help others. Unsuccessful people are always asking, 'What's in it for me?'" — Brian Tracy: Personal and business training author, speaker, and consultant "We are all, right now, living the life we choose." -- Peter McWilliams, Author "The bad news is time flies. The good news is you're the pilot." -- Michael Altshuler |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29961838 United States 12/16/2012 01:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You don't see the difference? We have a GOD GIVEN RIGHT to protect ourselves and to defend our live and property. The cost of that defense is borne by the individual. Health care is a SERVICE that requires the time and labor of others. NOBODY has a GOD GIVEN RIGHT to the time or labor of others, quite the CONTRARY. To demand the time and labor of others, as your right, would make them your slaves. If anyone wants to make their time or labor available to you, free of charge, THAT IS THEIR RIGHT. There are many CHARITIES which will help you if you have no means of your own. BUT, YOU CANNOT DEMAND THAT THE GOVERNMENT FORCE OTHERS TO PROVIDE YOU THEIR TIME AND LABOR, FREE OF CHARGE. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 20566260 United States 12/16/2012 01:42 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't buy YOU a gun but they're making me buy YOU health car. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10372663 The second amend give you the RIGHT to own not the right to be given. BIG difference!! Even somebody trying to do the twist like you are should be able to see that but of coarse it's difficult through your drug induced haze! THIS TIMES 100000000000 |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30004311 Ireland 12/16/2012 01:43 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well it is an interesting question. We have the ability to heal most diseases, something we couldn't do just a century ago. You could argue from a moral standpoint if we have the capability of doing so shouldn't we do it? Quoting: John Kimble Oh...poor Jon (bless your heart) are you too challenged to understand the concept of "nothing is for free"? Dumbass. Don't you have some guns to polish? Not today. I'm busy defending the constitution from asshats like you. Full time fuckin job around here eh? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 9806228 United States 12/16/2012 01:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Your response dealing with "having guns and money is more important than love for each other" is venial at best. You are carrying fuel for a fire that I did not ignite. B eing responsible for yourself and family is our obligation. Our healtcare problem which is far and away distant from the gun issue is the result of making the health care industry , that, an industry and 'for profit' one At that. Historically it never was. It needs addressing but you have totally ignored that we ARE funding free health care for so many who do not and have not decided they have moral obligagtions to do what I posted above and, instead, they use our muscle and resources to receive this for free. You can say who loves and who doesn't but it will alter nothing until you get on the right path of logic and involve yourself in the differences. My son who is married, owns a small business and has a daughter who got herself pregnant, is living with her boyfriend, father to child(he is taking an accelerated schooling to become a respiratory therapist and had earlier planned on becoming a doctor), draws welfare assistance. he just turned 18 this year. Her half sisters moved down to California from Idaho, one has two children and twins on the way and is going to work but will receive assistance regardless and the other, seeing the attention her half sister received got herself pregnant and is not trying to work and receives 800 dollars permonth and lives at my son's(our house we own) and he cannot get her to leave and we do not want her there. We are drowning in taking care of others. |
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SlimExponent User ID: 30054472 United States 12/16/2012 01:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is screwed up is that we spend the most on health care and we rank at #38. You can buy international health insurance, and the cost is based on which country you reside in. But it will not cover you in the u.s. due to the outrageous cost. Medical bills are the number one reason for bankruptcies in the u.s. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29307060 United States 12/16/2012 02:50 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Gag me. Quoting: Mickeyblue 9806228 You have the right to puchase a weapon and ammunition and you have the right to pay for health insurance, get over it. Contained herein both these rights are both being able to refuse you either due to other issues, . Perhaps a discussion on how denial comes about with both or either? Yes. I see your point. Having weapons and money is more important than unconditional love for one another. Unconditional Love means; using a gun to protect an Anti Gunner, from a Nut case with a weapon, be it a gun or a knife! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30053889 United States 12/16/2012 04:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is screwed up is that we spend the most on health care and we rank at #38. Quoting: SlimExponent You can buy international health insurance, and the cost is based on which country you reside in. But it will not cover you in the u.s. due to the outrageous cost. Medical bills are the number one reason for bankruptcies in the u.s. Yep |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26940323 United States 12/16/2012 04:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Something's twisted all right. And you can notice you'll get few responses from people in countries that have national health care. Why would they mess with a good thing? A civil society wants it's citizens to have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. How can a society pusue these things if it's sick? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 26940323 United States 12/16/2012 04:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is screwed up is that we spend the most on health care and we rank at #38. Quoting: SlimExponent You can buy international health insurance, and the cost is based on which country you reside in. But it will not cover you in the u.s. due to the outrageous cost. Medical bills are the number one reason for bankruptcies in the u.s. Yes, yes and yes. Notice how the debate is framed always around affordable health insurance rather than simply affordable health care yet no one, NO ONE really wants to take on the question of why health care in the US is so fucking expensive? |
davvi User ID: 3677166 United States 12/16/2012 04:36 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you really don't understand the difference between "rights" and "responsibility" do you? everyone in this country has the right to healthcare, but it is your responsibility to provide it for your self. do you ask your neighbors to buy you food? is food a right or a responsibility to provide it for yourself. our government is not altruistic and really doesn't give a rat's ass if you are treated or not, but they do love the power of life and death that you just hand to them? are you really so stupid? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 10566369 United States 12/16/2012 04:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Something's twisted all right. And you can notice you'll get few responses from people in countries that have national health care. Why would they mess with a good thing? A civil society wants it's citizens to have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. How can a society pusue these things if it's sick? BINGO. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 16987424 United States 12/16/2012 05:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The correct verse reads: Quoting: Anonymous Coward 10566369 "The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' Matthew 25:40 We're responsible for creating the culture and atmosphere in which people who suffer start to act out. And our best logical response is "MORE GUNS!" What about turning the other cheek? What about loving our neighbor as ourselves? Nope. Certainly not in THIS country. He (JESUS) said to them, "But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. Jesus wasn't talking literally about a sword. Oh, wait...did you didn't actually cut your own eye out...right? |
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Lime Flavoured Redux User ID: 13520378 United Kingdom 12/16/2012 06:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Emergency care that is completely "Free at the point of use" (paid for by tax money, how that's raised isn't part of this discussion) would be a good start. You can go to any hospital and they CANNOT turn you away because you DON'T have the ability to pay for the services you receive, so who is being deprived of what? Quoting: milehighmike Unless you have literally no money you have the ability to pay something though, and you do hear of cases of people being essentially bankrupted by the cost of emergency care. Where does personal responsibility for the decisions one makes to eat poorly, smoke, drink & take drugs come into the picture? And the obvious negative health impact of these decisions? Quoting: milehighmike That's a good question. There's arguments over it in the UK at the moment. I honestly don't really know the answer. Depends on why they need it. Last Edited by Lime Flavoured Redux on 12/16/2012 06:14 PM |
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milehighmike User ID: 339344 United States 12/16/2012 08:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm not the OP, but here's my British Libtard take on it: Quoting: Lime Flavoured Redux Emergency care that is completely "Free at the point of use" (paid for by tax money, how that's raised isn't part of this discussion) would be a good start. You can go to any hospital and they CANNOT turn you away because you DON'T have the ability to pay for the services you receive, so who is being deprived of what? Quoting: milehighmike Unless you have literally no money you have the ability to pay something though, and you do hear of cases of people being essentially bankrupted by the cost of emergency care. Where does personal responsibility for the decisions one makes to eat poorly, smoke, drink & take drugs come into the picture? And the obvious negative health impact of these decisions? Quoting: milehighmike That's a good question. There's arguments over it in the UK at the moment. I honestly don't really know the answer. Depends on why they need it. THANK YOU for you expressing your opinions without being an ass "Successful people are always looking for opportunities to help others. Unsuccessful people are always asking, 'What's in it for me?'" — Brian Tracy: Personal and business training author, speaker, and consultant "We are all, right now, living the life we choose." -- Peter McWilliams, Author "The bad news is time flies. The good news is you're the pilot." -- Michael Altshuler |
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