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Salt![]() Forum Moderator User ID: 21291600 12/16/2012 02:07 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29301466 I think God might be asking : "Why does Man allow this evil to continue?" exactly, we have to prove god that we are good, not the other way around ![]() Is your God powerless? That is what you seem to be saying. If humans do nothing about poverty, crime, etc., God will do nothing. Do you not see how this makes no sense? It is as if God doesn't exist and he really doesn't exist. God is sitting up in heaven watching while 20 innocent little kids get killed and he does nothing. Is that because God CAN do nothing. Well, in that case, God is impotent and you should never worship a God who can do nothing to stop this kind of atrocity. And if you say that God COULD have done something, then why didn't he? IN this case, God is a monster. These children were innocent. Could you, as a human, sit by and watch this kind of thing happen? That principal gave up her own life to save those kids. But God sits up in heaven, his hands are tied??? COme on, you people can't be this stupid. You cling to this God like he is your security blanet. Please, grow up. free-will in a fallen world. it's a bitch, isn't it. "The only religion that God the Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being ensnared by the world." --James 1:27 -- “Read everything, listen to everybody, don’t trust anything unless you can prove it with your own research” --William Cooper --- He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To seek justice, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God. --Michah 6:8 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 20657814 12/16/2012 02:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Look, I know you don't want to answer any my questions and I understand. It is hard to talk to someone who is making an honest effort to find truth when you are out there in the clouds, believing in invisbile characters that don't exist. But you say that God won't reliquish free will. You say this like you know God. So tell me, (which you won't, of course) how do you know this? Are you making it up? I know it is easier to ignore people like me. I am not angry at God. It is impossible to be angry at some God who doesn't exist. I am not angry at Allah or Jesus or Mithras. I am angry at PEOPLE who refuse to grow up. I wish you all could get your heads out of the clouds. Maybe I am even wrong about this, but I will take my chances for one reason. MY IDEAS MAKE SENSE and yours do not. And this is why no one responds to me. ANd that's okay. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29272893 12/16/2012 02:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God interfering in our lives would be like the nature photographer shooting a lion before it attacks the zebra. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29913453 God intervenes by showing himself through the beauty of creation nd inspiring us to act in accordance with the golden rule and the course of nature. Evil is just a by product of nature and or ignorance of the golden rule by will or by ill. This! I too am a believer that God exists, exhibited by the natural creation and by our God given ability of reason. |
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| Petrus User ID: 24516408 12/16/2012 02:11 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Satan has benn temporarily allowed to be prince of this world. He only has a few years left. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29862513 You will not see this type of evil in the world during the Millenial Kingdom.....only a short rebellion near the end of the 1,000 years. Then God will burn up the world.....and create a new one.....and the evil that took place in the past will be only a digusting memory. Our 6,000 years of digusting evil in this world is only a blimp on the radar........compared to the trillions of years ahead of us in the New Kingdom. People....and angels.....will be so digusted by what happened.....that they will never willingly choose to rebel against God again.......forever and ever into the future. This ^^ Time and experience is needed for mankind and all creation to learn a lesson about WHO SHOULD BE IN CHARGE OF REALITY. |
Salt![]() Forum Moderator User ID: 21291600 12/16/2012 02:11 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is your God powerless? That is what you seem to be saying. If humans do nothing about poverty, crime, etc., God will do nothing. Do you not see how this makes no sense? It is as if God doesn't exist and he really doesn't exist. God is sitting up in heaven watching while 20 innocent little kids get killed and he does nothing. Is that because God CAN do nothing. Well, in that case, God is impotent and you should never worship a God who can do nothing to stop this kind of atrocity. And if you say that God COULD have done something, then why didn't he? IN this case, God is a monster. These children were innocent. Could you, as a human, sit by and watch this kind of thing happen? That principal gave up her own life to save those kids. But God sits up in heaven, his hands are tied??? COme on, you people can't be this stupid. You cling to this God like he is your security blanet. Please, grow up. free-will in a fallen world. it's a bitch, isn't it. his answers the question you hear so often: “Why didn’t God merely create a world where tragedy and suffering didn’t exist?” The answer is: He did! Genesis 1:31 says: “God saw all that he had made, and it was very good.” But if God is not the author of tragedy or evil or death, where did they come from? Well, God has existed from eternity past as the Father, Son and Spirit, together in a relationship of perfect love. So love is the highest value in the universe. And when God decided to create human beings, he wanted us to experience love. But to give us the ability to love, God had to give us free will to decide whether to love or not to love. Why? Because love always involves a choice. If we were programmed to say, “I love you,” it wouldn’t really be love. When my daughter was little, she had a doll with a string in the back, and when you pulled it the doll said, “I love you.” Did that doll love my daughter? Of course not. It was programmed to say those words. To really experience love, that doll would need to have been able to choose to love or not to love. Again – real love always involves a choice. So in order for us to experience love, God bestowed on us free will. But unfortunately, we humans have abused our free will by rejecting God and walking away from Him. And that has resulted in the introduction of two kinds of evil into the world: moral evil and natural evil. Moral evil is the immorality and pain and suffering and tragedy that come because we choose to be selfish, arrogant, uncaring, hateful and abusive. Romans 3:23 says “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” [link to www.biblegateway.com] "The only religion that God the Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being ensnared by the world." --James 1:27 -- “Read everything, listen to everybody, don’t trust anything unless you can prove it with your own research” --William Cooper --- He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To seek justice, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God. --Michah 6:8 |
| bendinglight User ID: 2143478 12/16/2012 02:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Evil has always been on Earth. World War 2 was really evil! We are all are co-creators, each and every human being is beautiful because they are their own different expression of creativity. Look here on Earth, look at nature, the universe.. all so much, so different, so beautiful and expressing itself in all different ways.. just like all of us here. That reality is for us to discover within ourselves, that's a reason why we're incarnated in the crazy world in the first place. Our true essence is the same, our incarnation and death is the same.. there is only one reality for us all. Jesus, Aliens or your "God" won't save us, save what? Our bodies from dying? It's up for us to discover who we really are and what we're capable of.. in that we save ourselves. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 20657814 12/16/2012 02:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is your God powerless? That is what you seem to be saying. If humans do nothing about poverty, crime, etc., God will do nothing. Do you not see how this makes no sense? It is as if God doesn't exist and he really doesn't exist. God is sitting up in heaven watching while 20 innocent little kids get killed and he does nothing. Is that because God CAN do nothing. Well, in that case, God is impotent and you should never worship a God who can do nothing to stop this kind of atrocity. And if you say that God COULD have done something, then why didn't he? IN this case, God is a monster. These children were innocent. Could you, as a human, sit by and watch this kind of thing happen? That principal gave up her own life to save those kids. But God sits up in heaven, his hands are tied??? COme on, you people can't be this stupid. You cling to this God like he is your security blanet. Please, grow up. free-will in a fallen world. it's a bitch, isn't it. I guess what I said went way, way over your head. I always make the mistake of thinking I am dealing with people who can see things clearly. But, I guess that is just a pipe dream because that won't ever happen. Thanks for not answering any of my questions and just implying that free will exists. Grow up. |
Salt![]() Forum Moderator User ID: 21291600 12/16/2012 02:13 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is your God powerless? That is what you seem to be saying. If humans do nothing about poverty, crime, etc., God will do nothing. Do you not see how this makes no sense? It is as if God doesn't exist and he really doesn't exist. God is sitting up in heaven watching while 20 innocent little kids get killed and he does nothing. Is that because God CAN do nothing. Well, in that case, God is impotent and you should never worship a God who can do nothing to stop this kind of atrocity. And if you say that God COULD have done something, then why didn't he? IN this case, God is a monster. These children were innocent. Could you, as a human, sit by and watch this kind of thing happen? That principal gave up her own life to save those kids. But God sits up in heaven, his hands are tied??? COme on, you people can't be this stupid. You cling to this God like he is your security blanet. Please, grow up. free-will in a fallen world. it's a bitch, isn't it. I guess what I said went way, way over your head. I always make the mistake of thinking I am dealing with people who can see things clearly. But, I guess that is just a pipe dream because that won't ever happen. Thanks for not answering any of my questions and just implying that free will exists. Grow up. oh yummy, personal insults and character assassinations. nicely played, dude. "The only religion that God the Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being ensnared by the world." --James 1:27 -- “Read everything, listen to everybody, don’t trust anything unless you can prove it with your own research” --William Cooper --- He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To seek justice, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God. --Michah 6:8 |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 20657814 12/16/2012 02:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is your God powerless? That is what you seem to be saying. If humans do nothing about poverty, crime, etc., God will do nothing. Do you not see how this makes no sense? It is as if God doesn't exist and he really doesn't exist. God is sitting up in heaven watching while 20 innocent little kids get killed and he does nothing. Is that because God CAN do nothing. Well, in that case, God is impotent and you should never worship a God who can do nothing to stop this kind of atrocity. And if you say that God COULD have done something, then why didn't he? IN this case, God is a monster. These children were innocent. Could you, as a human, sit by and watch this kind of thing happen? That principal gave up her own life to save those kids. But God sits up in heaven, his hands are tied??? COme on, you people can't be this stupid. You cling to this God like he is your security blanet. Please, grow up. free-will in a fallen world. it's a bitch, isn't it. his answers the question you hear so often: “Why didn’t God merely create a world where tragedy and suffering didn’t exist?” The answer is: He did! Genesis 1:31 says: “God saw all that he had made, and it was very good.” But if God is not the author of tragedy or evil or death, where did they come from? Well, God has existed from eternity past as the Father, Son and Spirit, together in a relationship of perfect love. So love is the highest value in the universe. And when God decided to create human beings, he wanted us to experience love. But to give us the ability to love, God had to give us free will to decide whether to love or not to love. Why? Because love always involves a choice. If we were programmed to say, “I love you,” it wouldn’t really be love. When my daughter was little, she had a doll with a string in the back, and when you pulled it the doll said, “I love you.” Did that doll love my daughter? Of course not. It was programmed to say those words. To really experience love, that doll would need to have been able to choose to love or not to love. Again – real love always involves a choice. So in order for us to experience love, God bestowed on us free will. But unfortunately, we humans have abused our free will by rejecting God and walking away from Him. And that has resulted in the introduction of two kinds of evil into the world: moral evil and natural evil. Moral evil is the immorality and pain and suffering and tragedy that come because we choose to be selfish, arrogant, uncaring, hateful and abusive. Romans 3:23 says “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” [link to www.biblegateway.com] No, this is a cop out. Free will is not in the BIble. GOD'S will is always done,on earth and in heaven. If God knows everything BEFORE it happens, where is the free will? We don't HAVE free will. Prove it by giving me some definitive scripture verses. If God knows everything, then we have no free will. When we are born, God knows exactly where we will spend eternity. So this is not free will. It is a cop out when people say this to defend the fact that there is no God. This world operates exactly as if there is no God and you know this. So it just comes down to accepting this and growing up. Stop telling yourself these lies. |
Salt![]() Forum Moderator User ID: 21291600 12/16/2012 02:16 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Is your God powerless? That is what you seem to be saying. If humans do nothing about poverty, crime, etc., God will do nothing. Do you not see how this makes no sense? It is as if God doesn't exist and he really doesn't exist. God is sitting up in heaven watching while 20 innocent little kids get killed and he does nothing. Is that because God CAN do nothing. Well, in that case, God is impotent and you should never worship a God who can do nothing to stop this kind of atrocity. And if you say that God COULD have done something, then why didn't he? IN this case, God is a monster. These children were innocent. Could you, as a human, sit by and watch this kind of thing happen? That principal gave up her own life to save those kids. But God sits up in heaven, his hands are tied??? COme on, you people can't be this stupid. You cling to this God like he is your security blanet. Please, grow up. free-will in a fallen world. it's a bitch, isn't it. his answers the question you hear so often: “Why didn’t God merely create a world where tragedy and suffering didn’t exist?” The answer is: He did! Genesis 1:31 says: “God saw all that he had made, and it was very good.” But if God is not the author of tragedy or evil or death, where did they come from? Well, God has existed from eternity past as the Father, Son and Spirit, together in a relationship of perfect love. So love is the highest value in the universe. And when God decided to create human beings, he wanted us to experience love. But to give us the ability to love, God had to give us free will to decide whether to love or not to love. Why? Because love always involves a choice. If we were programmed to say, “I love you,” it wouldn’t really be love. When my daughter was little, she had a doll with a string in the back, and when you pulled it the doll said, “I love you.” Did that doll love my daughter? Of course not. It was programmed to say those words. To really experience love, that doll would need to have been able to choose to love or not to love. Again – real love always involves a choice. So in order for us to experience love, God bestowed on us free will. But unfortunately, we humans have abused our free will by rejecting God and walking away from Him. And that has resulted in the introduction of two kinds of evil into the world: moral evil and natural evil. Moral evil is the immorality and pain and suffering and tragedy that come because we choose to be selfish, arrogant, uncaring, hateful and abusive. Romans 3:23 says “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” [link to www.biblegateway.com] bolded part: free-will defined. "The only religion that God the Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being ensnared by the world." --James 1:27 -- “Read everything, listen to everybody, don’t trust anything unless you can prove it with your own research” --William Cooper --- He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To seek justice, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God. --Michah 6:8 |
| WindyMind User ID: 955168 12/16/2012 02:16 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why do we believe in God? Quoting: WindyMind I have heard it said that what happens is our karma based on our past deeds. Is hell somewhere far or right here in our lives? And where karmic laws are coming from? I think there is a computer like system that keeps track of every thing you do in every life and it never fails to remember good or bad. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30054070 12/16/2012 02:16 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The whole concept of this question is one of cowardliness, laziness and weakness. It allows mankind to go forth allowing starvation, murder, war and every filthy thing so that we do not have to be accountable, so we do not have to admit to our own sin or to admit that we need a Savior. If we are not guilty and are not in need of a Savior and there is no God, then what happens in this world is indeed our own doing, so we must, in quite the paradoxical way, claim not to believe in God and yet at the very same time blame Him for the world's woes. And if we are not in need of a Savior, then we must save ourselves and by the looks of it...we are doing a really horrible job. This IS quite the anomaly. The majority pushes God out of our world and condemns those who would pray to God and then wonder why our world continues to plummet into the depths of darkness. Romans 1:32 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1750980 12/16/2012 02:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ..the evil that you and everyone speaks of is human evil inflicted on human beings.. Quoting: PigsInSpace That part of your reply I agree with. I have issue with some of the things you mentioned. But what I take away is that all these tragedies are from the dark side of human will. People like to celebrate their free will, but when tragedy happens they blame God? These are short-sighted people who can't see the big picture - that we as humans are nothing without the Wisdom of God. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 20657814 12/16/2012 02:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20657814 Is your God powerless? That is what you seem to be saying. If humans do nothing about poverty, crime, etc., God will do nothing. Do you not see how this makes no sense? It is as if God doesn't exist and he really doesn't exist. God is sitting up in heaven watching while 20 innocent little kids get killed and he does nothing. Is that because God CAN do nothing. Well, in that case, God is impotent and you should never worship a God who can do nothing to stop this kind of atrocity. And if you say that God COULD have done something, then why didn't he? IN this case, God is a monster. These children were innocent. Could you, as a human, sit by and watch this kind of thing happen? That principal gave up her own life to save those kids. But God sits up in heaven, his hands are tied??? COme on, you people can't be this stupid. You cling to this God like he is your security blanet. Please, grow up. free-will in a fallen world. it's a bitch, isn't it. I guess what I said went way, way over your head. I always make the mistake of thinking I am dealing with people who can see things clearly. But, I guess that is just a pipe dream because that won't ever happen. Thanks for not answering any of my questions and just implying that free will exists. Grow up. oh yummy, personal insults and character assassinations. nicely played, dude. It is obvious that you haven't read anything I wrote which is so typical of Christians. IF you would have read my earlier post, one in which I wasn't angry, you would have seen that I am a MOM, a mom of two boys. Whatever, it is useless to talk to Christians. You truly are brainwashed. YOu are more interested in the fact that I might have insulted you, than in trying to save me from the hell you think I will be in. That's real nice and Christian of you, DUDE. You people are all so fake. I can see right through you but, of course, you don't care. |
Salt![]() Forum Moderator User ID: 21291600 12/16/2012 02:18 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20657814 Is your God powerless? That is what you seem to be saying. If humans do nothing about poverty, crime, etc., God will do nothing. Do you not see how this makes no sense? It is as if God doesn't exist and he really doesn't exist. God is sitting up in heaven watching while 20 innocent little kids get killed and he does nothing. Is that because God CAN do nothing. Well, in that case, God is impotent and you should never worship a God who can do nothing to stop this kind of atrocity. And if you say that God COULD have done something, then why didn't he? IN this case, God is a monster. These children were innocent. Could you, as a human, sit by and watch this kind of thing happen? That principal gave up her own life to save those kids. But God sits up in heaven, his hands are tied??? COme on, you people can't be this stupid. You cling to this God like he is your security blanet. Please, grow up. free-will in a fallen world. it's a bitch, isn't it. his answers the question you hear so often: “Why didn’t God merely create a world where tragedy and suffering didn’t exist?” The answer is: He did! Genesis 1:31 says: “God saw all that he had made, and it was very good.” But if God is not the author of tragedy or evil or death, where did they come from? Well, God has existed from eternity past as the Father, Son and Spirit, together in a relationship of perfect love. So love is the highest value in the universe. And when God decided to create human beings, he wanted us to experience love. But to give us the ability to love, God had to give us free will to decide whether to love or not to love. Why? Because love always involves a choice. If we were programmed to say, “I love you,” it wouldn’t really be love. When my daughter was little, she had a doll with a string in the back, and when you pulled it the doll said, “I love you.” Did that doll love my daughter? Of course not. It was programmed to say those words. To really experience love, that doll would need to have been able to choose to love or not to love. Again – real love always involves a choice. So in order for us to experience love, God bestowed on us free will. But unfortunately, we humans have abused our free will by rejecting God and walking away from Him. And that has resulted in the introduction of two kinds of evil into the world: moral evil and natural evil. Moral evil is the immorality and pain and suffering and tragedy that come because we choose to be selfish, arrogant, uncaring, hateful and abusive. Romans 3:23 says “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.” [link to www.biblegateway.com] No, this is a cop out. Free will is not in the BIble. GOD'S will is always done,on earth and in heaven. If God knows everything BEFORE it happens, where is the free will? We don't HAVE free will. Prove it by giving me some definitive scripture verses. If God knows everything, then we have no free will. When we are born, God knows exactly where we will spend eternity. So this is not free will. It is a cop out when people say this to defend the fact that there is no God. This world operates exactly as if there is no God and you know this. So it just comes down to accepting this and growing up. Stop telling yourself these lies. look pal, if you want to be a cynic, athiest, God-hater, go for it. but, i spent 18 years studying these issues and i have come to my place of understanding by fervent and diligent study, relationship and prayer. go do your own research and find the answers. it's there if you want it. seek and you will find. ask and it will be given to you. knock and the door will be opened. harassing me is not the avenue to truth. "The only religion that God the Father accepts as pure and faultless is this: to look after orphans and widows in their distress and to keep oneself from being ensnared by the world." --James 1:27 -- “Read everything, listen to everybody, don’t trust anything unless you can prove it with your own research” --William Cooper --- He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To seek justice, to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God. --Michah 6:8 |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 26268975 12/16/2012 02:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | See, I set before you today life and prosperity, death and destruction. Deuteronomy 30:15 For I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in his ways, and to keep his commands, decrees and laws; then you will live and increase, and the LORD your God will bless you ... |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29862513 12/16/2012 02:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | God does not have the same time perspective as we do. A thousand years is but a speck of time for Him. He was SORRY.....and GRIEVED in His heart.....that he had made man.......because "the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of his heart was only evil continually." And thus God was ready to completely destroy His creation. He choose however instead to preserve a remnant.......and also to personally intervene......to redeem and save His creation. "But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord." |
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