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Why does God allow this evil to continue?

 
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I find it sad that GLP is so severely infested with Fundie Religitard Holy Rollers who demand the right to tell us what someone else told them to believe and then repeat themselves over and over and over.....
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Why do we believe in God?

I have heard it said that what happens is our karma based on our past deeds.

Is hell somewhere far or right here in our lives?
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And where karmic laws are coming from?
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I think there is a computer like system that keeps track of every thing you do in every life and it never fails to remember good or bad.
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Where does the system come from?
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God practices corporal punishment.


If you want the punishment to stop, repent and obey God's Law.




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Re: Why does God allow this evil to continue?
Who the hell created GUNS/WEAPONS?

imagine a life where their were not guns
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Before Guns they hacked each other with sharp objects, shot you with an arrow, or shoved a stick in you. Before that they bashed you with rocks and sticks.

You might as well ask why the there has been Wars.
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If you're a slave to a 'God' then you aren't free. Just sayin'.
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When you are mortal you ain´t free as well. Sin is the cause you are mortal.
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God practices corporal punishment.


If you want the punishment to stop, repent and obey God's Law.




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Shut up with that babble.
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Is your God powerless? That is what you seem to be saying. If humans do nothing about poverty, crime, etc., God will do nothing. Do you not see how this makes no sense? It is as if God doesn't exist and he really doesn't exist. God is sitting up in heaven watching while 20 innocent little kids get killed and he does nothing. Is that because God CAN do nothing. Well, in that case, God is impotent and you should never worship a God who can do nothing to stop this kind of atrocity.

And if you say that God COULD have done something, then why didn't he? IN this case, God is a monster. These children were innocent. Could you, as a human, sit by and watch this kind of thing happen? That principal gave up her own life to save those kids. But God sits up in heaven, his hands are tied??? COme on, you people can't be this stupid. You cling to this God like he is your security blanet. Please, grow up.
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free-will in a fallen world.
it's a bitch, isn't it.
 Quoting: Salt




his answers the question you hear so often: “Why didn’t God merely create a world where tragedy and suffering didn’t exist?” The answer is: He did! Genesis 1:31 says: “God saw all that he had made, and it was very good.”

But if God is not the author of tragedy or evil or death, where did they come from? Well, God has existed from eternity past as the Father, Son and Spirit, together in a relationship of perfect love. So love is the highest value in the universe. And when God decided to create human beings, he wanted us to experience love. But to give us the ability to love, God had to give us free will to decide whether to love or not to love. Why? Because love always involves a choice.

If we were programmed to say, “I love you,” it wouldn’t really be love. When my daughter was little, she had a doll with a string in the back, and when you pulled it the doll said, “I love you.” Did that doll love my daughter? Of course not. It was programmed to say those words. To really experience love, that doll would need to have been able to choose to love or not to love. Again – real love always involves a choice.

So in order for us to experience love, God bestowed on us free will. But unfortunately, we humans have abused our free will by rejecting God and walking away from Him. And that has resulted in the introduction of two kinds of evil into the world: moral evil and natural evil.

Moral evil is the immorality and pain and suffering and tragedy that come because we choose to be selfish, arrogant, uncaring, hateful and abusive. Romans 3:23 says “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”


[link to www.biblegateway.com]
 Quoting: Salt


bolded part: free-will defined.
 Quoting: Salt


Everyone sins. We have no choice in that. We are born this way. What free will did those little kids that were slaughtered have? The verse above says nothing. It simply says we are all sinners. I already know that. I told you that I am a sinner. But this does not prove free will. If we had free will NOT to sin, then maybe. But we are born sinners. God's WILL is done on earth and in heaven. ANd if God knows everything, BEFORE it happens, then there is no free will. RIGHT?
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I cannot believe you're looking to a book which is nothing but myth, for answers.
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Yup. The Book which teaches the golden rule.

All other books are artificial man-made CRAP.
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If you're a slave to a 'God' then you aren't free. Just sayin'.
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When you are mortal you ain´t free as well. Sin is the cause you are mortal.
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The bible preaches genocide, go away.
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Re: Why does God allow this evil to continue?
He who has omnipotence and partakes in evil is evil himself,if god despises evil yet allow it to continue proves that he is not all powerful,if the god of Abraham exists,is a liar void of omnipotence,or an omnipotent good indeed,but as a self correcting self balancing device who doesn't give a fuck about good or evil,only it's integrity.
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free-will in a fallen world.
it's a bitch, isn't it.
 Quoting: Salt




his answers the question you hear so often: “Why didn’t God merely create a world where tragedy and suffering didn’t exist?” The answer is: He did! Genesis 1:31 says: “God saw all that he had made, and it was very good.”

But if God is not the author of tragedy or evil or death, where did they come from? Well, God has existed from eternity past as the Father, Son and Spirit, together in a relationship of perfect love. So love is the highest value in the universe. And when God decided to create human beings, he wanted us to experience love. But to give us the ability to love, God had to give us free will to decide whether to love or not to love. Why? Because love always involves a choice.

If we were programmed to say, “I love you,” it wouldn’t really be love. When my daughter was little, she had a doll with a string in the back, and when you pulled it the doll said, “I love you.” Did that doll love my daughter? Of course not. It was programmed to say those words. To really experience love, that doll would need to have been able to choose to love or not to love. Again – real love always involves a choice.

So in order for us to experience love, God bestowed on us free will. But unfortunately, we humans have abused our free will by rejecting God and walking away from Him. And that has resulted in the introduction of two kinds of evil into the world: moral evil and natural evil.

Moral evil is the immorality and pain and suffering and tragedy that come because we choose to be selfish, arrogant, uncaring, hateful and abusive. Romans 3:23 says “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”


[link to www.biblegateway.com]
 Quoting: Salt

No, this is a cop out. Free will is not in the BIble. GOD'S will is always done,on earth and in heaven. If God knows everything BEFORE it happens, where is the free will? We don't HAVE free will. Prove it by giving me some definitive scripture verses.

If God knows everything, then we have no free will. When we are born, God knows exactly where we will spend eternity. So this is not free will. It is a cop out when people say this to defend the fact that there is no God. This world operates exactly as if there is no God and you know this. So it just comes down to accepting this and growing up. Stop telling yourself these lies.
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look pal, if you want to be a cynic, athiest, God-hater, go for it. but, i spent 18 years studying these issues and i have come to my place of understanding by fervent and diligent study, relationship and prayer.

go do your own research and find the answers.
it's there if you want it.

seek and you will find. ask and it will be given to you. knock and the door will be opened.

harassing me is not the avenue to truth.
 Quoting: Salt


So you result in accusation and consider that guys post harassment? You're no better than the people that want to ban all guns, the hypocrisy is just bleeding out of you.
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I cannot believe you're looking to a book which is nothing but myth, for answers.
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Yup. The Book which teaches the golden rule.

All other books are artificial man-made CRAP.
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the bible is man made crap, written by Jews nonetheless.
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God practices corporal punishment.


If you want the punishment to stop, repent and obey God's Law.




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Have you done that yet? Are you sinless? You can't help being a sinner because you were born as a sinner. And if you say you don't sin, you are a Pharisee and Jesus hated those people.
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cannot not effect free will
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If you're a slave to a 'God' then you aren't free. Just sayin'.
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When you are mortal you ain´t free as well. Sin is the cause you are mortal.
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The bible preaches genocide, go away.
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Genocide of simpletons, thank God.
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I find it sad that GLP is so severely infested with Fundie Religitard Holy Rollers who demand the right to tell us what someone else told them to believe and then repeat themselves over and over and over.....
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applause2
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Dude, I see the exact same thing with unbelievers quoting other men. We all get our information from someone else and unless you have some clever information that hasn't already been stated in the history of mankind, then you have no right to accuse Christians.

All of your history has been 'written' and you must quote them, you must have 'faith' that they have spoken the truth or you know nothing.
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My spelling is bad,but i challenge you to think,and discard the god of the bible as another imaginary derivation from more ancient gods who were metaphors for illumination.
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Re: Why does God allow this evil to continue?
i'm out of here.

i am the most non-fundie believer there is.
fundies hate me.

the God-haters can't even read the posts for what they are because their seething resentment and ignorance is blinding them.

instead, they dole out insults and personal attacks.

if anyone really wants my perspective on the matter, feel free to PM me.

you guys go round and round all you want.
i got other stuff to do.
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his answers the question you hear so often: “Why didn’t God merely create a world where tragedy and suffering didn’t exist?” The answer is: He did! Genesis 1:31 says: “God saw all that he had made, and it was very good.”

But if God is not the author of tragedy or evil or death, where did they come from? Well, God has existed from eternity past as the Father, Son and Spirit, together in a relationship of perfect love. So love is the highest value in the universe. And when God decided to create human beings, he wanted us to experience love. But to give us the ability to love, God had to give us free will to decide whether to love or not to love. Why? Because love always involves a choice.

If we were programmed to say, “I love you,” it wouldn’t really be love. When my daughter was little, she had a doll with a string in the back, and when you pulled it the doll said, “I love you.” Did that doll love my daughter? Of course not. It was programmed to say those words. To really experience love, that doll would need to have been able to choose to love or not to love. Again – real love always involves a choice.

So in order for us to experience love, God bestowed on us free will. But unfortunately, we humans have abused our free will by rejecting God and walking away from Him. And that has resulted in the introduction of two kinds of evil into the world: moral evil and natural evil.

Moral evil is the immorality and pain and suffering and tragedy that come because we choose to be selfish, arrogant, uncaring, hateful and abusive. Romans 3:23 says “All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.”


[link to www.biblegateway.com]
 Quoting: Salt

No, this is a cop out. Free will is not in the BIble. GOD'S will is always done,on earth and in heaven. If God knows everything BEFORE it happens, where is the free will? We don't HAVE free will. Prove it by giving me some definitive scripture verses.

If God knows everything, then we have no free will. When we are born, God knows exactly where we will spend eternity. So this is not free will. It is a cop out when people say this to defend the fact that there is no God. This world operates exactly as if there is no God and you know this. So it just comes down to accepting this and growing up. Stop telling yourself these lies.
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look pal, if you want to be a cynic, athiest, God-hater, go for it. but, i spent 18 years studying these issues and i have come to my place of understanding by fervent and diligent study, relationship and prayer.

go do your own research and find the answers.
it's there if you want it.

seek and you will find. ask and it will be given to you. knock and the door will be opened.

harassing me is not the avenue to truth.
 Quoting: Salt


So you result in accusation and consider that guys post harassment? You're no better than the people that want to ban all guns, the hypocrisy is just bleeding out of you.
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Thank you for the defense. I am a woman, and it is okay that he/she is doing this. It is what most all Christians do when they try to defend their faith. And I get angry too, as an atheist, when people don't listen to me. It is human nature. We all need to learn how to love each other, regardless of what we believe. I know...pot...kettle...black. I am trying to be better.
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Re: Why does God allow this evil to continue?
here's the thing that everyone misses:

the more evil and sin a man/woman engages in, the more disconnected they are from the Holy and Divine Perfect God.

this world has engaged deeply in evil and sin.
the world is horrifically disconnected from God.

Holy cannot be in the presence of unholy.
Be holy. Re-connect to God thru His expression (Jesus).
 Quoting: Salt

Not to cause a fight, but I believe the way you are thinking is faulty. First off, I am an atheist. I don't believe there is a God because there is no evidence for him. This world operates EXACTLY the way it would if there was no God. You seem to be implying that I am living a sinful life which is completely untrue.

I don't attend church. But I don't steal. I try not to lie. I don't have much pride. I love most all people. I don't cheat on my husband. I don't drink or smoke or do drugs. I have never had an abortion. I am a mom of two very intelligent boys. I live my life like everyone else.

I am not saying I have no sin in my life. I do. I get angry sometimes. I am envious of others at times. BUT, I am the same as most Christians I know. I could never go into a room and point and say, "I know he/she is a Christian because they seem different." In fact, on my street there are two atheist families. One family is in their 60s, and they are the nicest people I know.

At the end of the street lives a preacher and his wife. Almost EVERYONE on my street despises these people. They are mean spirited, greedy. For example, my neighbor watched their dog for them for two weeks. The pastor and his wife came home and never paid my neighbor. She even had to go out and buy dog food because they didn't leave enough.

So your ideas about living a godly life are wrong. People are people. What do you mean when you say, "Lead a holy life." Everyone has sin in their life, some more than others. But what religion a person practices has nothing to do with it. Tell me where I am wrong. Or maybe I am misunderstanding you but this makes zero sense to me.
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My husband has a "friend" who is an athiest and one of the nicest guys you would ever want to meet.

Now this probably won't make much sense to you as a non-believer but I'm hoping you can comprehend this hf

There IS a God and He says in His Word, His existence is manifest throughout the earth and the heavens.. So that no one is without excuse. Romans I:19 & 20. I paraphrased the verse.

There are only two forces at work on the earth. Good=God and evil=satan. During the fall of man (Adam & Eve) we gave ourselves through our own will over to the evil force by embracing his lie and rebelling against God.

If you have not willingly made a conscious, deliberate decision to accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior.. you are still under the authority of satan. He has you exactly where he wants you and you will probably not encounter many spiritual battles. What would be his point?? You are his, lock, stock and barrel. Why upset the applecart when you can be so secure in how "good" you are.

Once a person becomes "born again" and accepts Jesus into their heart, satan has his throngs of minions and demons working overtime to do everything possible to discredit their character. It is a constant spiritual battle being a Christian. Satan hates God.. and hates His children. We are priority #1 on his "hit list".

I'm not making excuses for your neighbor.. but I completely understand how they could be under attack 24/7. The Bible says "The flesh is willing but the spirit is weak". We long to do good but many, many times for short.

Thankfully God looks on our heart.. If we truly love Him, He extends us His grace. If there is something phoney, fake or insincere ( your neighbors . He will deal with us in His time, in His way and I'm sure it won't be pretty.

Eternity is a very.. very.. very long time. Please call on the Lord and ask Him to speak to your heart. Believe that Jesus is the Son of God, born of a virgin, Who died for our sins and rose again.

There have been many athiests who have set out to prove that there is no God only to find that He very much exists. They make the most persuasive Christians.

Hope this helps if even just a bit hf
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For me, I believe in free-will. I believe that we can choose to cause suffering, or choose to create healing in this world around us.

When "bad" things have happened, I have often seen that it has been a result of someone's personal choice.

When it has not been seemingly as the result of someone's personal choice, I live by the motto: Sometimes we can not choose what happens to us, only how we react to it. Is there a lesson in it? Is there learning in it? What will be my reaction, what will be my choice?

No matter a person's beliefs, or non-beliefs, I respect those who choose a path of love and healing, as opposed to engagement in suffering and destruction. We are all better-off for it.
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I cannot believe you're looking to a book which is nothing but myth, for answers.
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Yup. The Book which teaches the golden rule.

All other books are artificial man-made CRAP.
 Quoting: Petrus


the bible is man made crap, written by Jews nonetheless.
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It's the inspired Word of God. If you stay in denial then I'm sorry for you.
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" For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses
that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will
certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven."



Matthew 5:20


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if i had an imaginary friend that i talked to and asked advice and such id be labeled crazy insane mental....BUT do the same with imaginary god and your labeled spiritual,righteous,enlightened looked at as a upstanding citizen.........."same thing if you believe in ufo's" thats quite some logic
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This is why I have Miggy on ignore I guess. I should not have clicked the hidden thread. Never click the hidden threads. hiding
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Re: Why does God allow this evil to continue?
My spelling is bad,but i challenge you to think,and discard the god of the bible as another imaginary derivation from more ancient gods who were metaphors for illumination.
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Already addressed this. If there is no God, they you and I are culpable to the atrocities that exist in this world; we are guilty and have only ourselves to blame...not God.

There.
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Jesus was here.
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and Jesus is coming back on Dec. 21 and he's gonna kill everyone on the planet.
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My spelling is bad,but i challenge you to think,and discard the god of the bible as another imaginary derivation from more ancient gods who were metaphors for illumination.
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Already addressed this. If there is no God, they you and I are culpable to the atrocities that exist in this world; we are guilty and have only ourselves to blame...not God.

There.
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That's it.

You atheists admit that you are evil when you say, "how can God exist when all this bad stuff happens and nothing is being done?"

Who is causing the bad stuff?

Last Edited by Petrus on 12/16/2012 02:32 PM
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Free will....people do horrible things all the time.
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Good morning, my dear friend Geminilion.

Wishing you a beautiful Sunday.

hf
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Hello Miggy! Hope you have a marvelous day as well.

hf
..."The soul is dyed the color of its thoughts. Think only on those things that are in line with your principles and can bear the light of day. The content of your character is your choice. Day by day, what you choose, what you think, and what you do is who you become. Your integrity is your destiny ... it is the light that guides your way."
Heraclitus
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if i had an imaginary friend that i talked to and asked advice and such id be labeled crazy insane mental....BUT do the same with imaginary god and your labeled spiritual,righteous,enlightened looked at as a upstanding citizen.........."same thing if you believe in ufo's" thats quite some logic
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Well, how's that, "believing in yourself", going there? The world still stinks to high heaven and without the 'imaginary friend', it will continue to do so, I reckon!

When you get it figured out on your own, let the rest of us know. Thanks!

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