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'I Am Adam Lanza's Mother': A Mom's Perspective On The Mental Illness Conversation In America

 
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Honestly it sounds like the kid feels powerless, but isn't dangerous.

Notice, there was no talk about how he stabbed anyone and the woman was able to take a knife away from him. She doesn't sound like a ninja, so I'm thinking the kid gave it to her. (Try to take a knife from me. I promise I won't use any skill, I'll just swing it around like a madman. Yeah, it's possible, and yes, you just got cut 90% of the time...)

The problem, if that's the cause, is that the woman keeps taking power from the boy in ways that he feels damages him, so he tried to take it back, desperately snatching at more and more extreme things to prevent himself from being emasculated. When he starts to feel successful, doing anything that seems to be taking a small bit of power back from her, she calls in armed thugs (police) to do the work for her, further stripping his sense of sovereignty away.

The more they attack that, the harder he'll be forced to fight.

He might have a mental disorder (notice how no one can find one?), but, honestly, it sounds a bit like it's the mother that has the real problem and it isn't her child.

After all, she started an argument over pants. Pants. And turned it into an excuse to have the kid committed.
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yeah, overcontrolling bitch manipulated him into making threats and that scene where she changes course and takes him to the mental hospital, what a psycho. She's the one with the mental illness.
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You will have to wait for me to read it tomorrow on my ipad.
I only visit huffingtonpost when I'm takin a shit. How's that for mental health. Try it, it's cleansing.
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Honestly it sounds like the kid feels powerless, but isn't dangerous.

Notice, there was no talk about how he stabbed anyone and the woman was able to take a knife away from him. She doesn't sound like a ninja, so I'm thinking the kid gave it to her. (Try to take a knife from me. I promise I won't use any skill, I'll just swing it around like a madman. Yeah, it's possible, and yes, you just got cut 90% of the time...)

The problem, if that's the cause, is that the woman keeps taking power from the boy in ways that he feels damages him, so he tried to take it back, desperately snatching at more and more extreme things to prevent himself from being emasculated. When he starts to feel successful, doing anything that seems to be taking a small bit of power back from her, she calls in armed thugs (police) to do the work for her, further stripping his sense of sovereignty away.

The more they attack that, the harder he'll be forced to fight.

He might have a mental disorder (notice how no one can find one?), but, honestly, it sounds a bit like it's the mother that has the real problem and it isn't her child.

After all, she started an argument over pants. Pants. And turned it into an excuse to have the kid committed.
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yeah, overcontrolling bitch manipulated him into making threats and that scene where she changes course and takes him to the mental hospital, what a psycho. She's the one with the mental illness.
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you don't get it. and you are part of the problem.
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You will have to wait for me to read it tomorrow on my ipad.
I only visit huffingtonpost when I'm takin a shit. How's that for mental health. Try it, it's cleansing.
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Huffpoo. yeah.
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Honestly it sounds like the kid feels powerless, but isn't dangerous.

Notice, there was no talk about how he stabbed anyone and the woman was able to take a knife away from him. She doesn't sound like a ninja, so I'm thinking the kid gave it to her. (Try to take a knife from me. I promise I won't use any skill, I'll just swing it around like a madman. Yeah, it's possible, and yes, you just got cut 90% of the time...)

The problem, if that's the cause, is that the woman keeps taking power from the boy in ways that he feels damages him, so he tried to take it back, desperately snatching at more and more extreme things to prevent himself from being emasculated. When he starts to feel successful, doing anything that seems to be taking a small bit of power back from her, she calls in armed thugs (police) to do the work for her, further stripping his sense of sovereignty away.

The more they attack that, the harder he'll be forced to fight.

He might have a mental disorder (notice how no one can find one?), but, honestly, it sounds a bit like it's the mother that has the real problem and it isn't her child.

After all, she started an argument over pants. Pants. And turned it into an excuse to have the kid committed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 536850


yeah, overcontrolling bitch manipulated him into making threats and that scene where she changes course and takes him to the mental hospital, what a psycho. She's the one with the mental illness.
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you don't get it. and you are part of the problem.
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I could say the same of you.
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It's Huffington poo for chrissake, you know it's all middle class bullshit.
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Honestly it sounds like the kid feels powerless, but isn't dangerous.

Notice, there was no talk about how he stabbed anyone and the woman was able to take a knife away from him. She doesn't sound like a ninja, so I'm thinking the kid gave it to her. (Try to take a knife from me. I promise I won't use any skill, I'll just swing it around like a madman. Yeah, it's possible, and yes, you just got cut 90% of the time...)

The problem, if that's the cause, is that the woman keeps taking power from the boy in ways that he feels damages him, so he tried to take it back, desperately snatching at more and more extreme things to prevent himself from being emasculated. When he starts to feel successful, doing anything that seems to be taking a small bit of power back from her, she calls in armed thugs (police) to do the work for her, further stripping his sense of sovereignty away.

The more they attack that, the harder he'll be forced to fight.

He might have a mental disorder (notice how no one can find one?), but, honestly, it sounds a bit like it's the mother that has the real problem and it isn't her child.

After all, she started an argument over pants. Pants. And turned it into an excuse to have the kid committed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 536850


yeah, overcontrolling bitch manipulated him into making threats and that scene where she changes course and takes him to the mental hospital, what a psycho. She's the one with the mental illness.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30144543


you don't get it. and you are part of the problem.
 Quoting: Salt


I could say the same of you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30144543


you could.

so?

do you have children?
if one threatened to jump out of a moving car and injuring themselves, and you knew that they would do it, all because of their insistence on breaking a rule at school, what would you do? or if your child is willing to injure themselves and others simply because they don't get their way on even the meaningless things in life?

you don't get it. and unless you walk a mile in the mocassins, you will continue to think that it's the mother's fault. it's terrifying. and nobody does anything to help.

all they want to do is point blaming fingers.

you haven't a clue.
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I read the whole thing. FINALLY, someone gets it. Someone understands the actual problem.
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If your kid is a mental case, DON'T turn him into
a sharpshooter.
Put him in the nuthouse where he can't hurt
himself or others.

We need more prisons, and more nuthouses.

MANY MORE
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that's a ery nice idea,however last year of our 2 mental hospitals,one was closed down,doubleing the patient quota for the one left,they sneakily added to some randon file at the bottom,shuttting 40% more beds,they leave the psychotics running around very dangerous,hoping police will jail them,as they take too long for the meds to work properly,and lots of staff work and hassle for their shiny new BUISSENESS.unless a psychotic still has a loving family to insist the hsp. helps,or has a lawyer,lose all hope.police are furious it's all left to them.
church of euthanasia.
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have just left my paranormal photos on,as I,m leaving soon.some you have to see whole picture,as clipped.
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Yeah we all need to understand Huff Poo is bullshit and not all women are cut out for motherhood.
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I read the whole thing. FINALLY, someone gets it. Someone understands the actual problem.
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When young men go crazy and they have guns, it should not come as a complete mystery why massacres happen. ... This time, I think more Americans believe it's time to act.
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We still don’t know what’s wrong with Michael. Autism spectrum, ADHD, Oppositional Defiant or Intermittent Explosive Disorder have all been tossed around at various meetings with probation officers and social workers and counselors and teachers and school administrators. He’s been on a slew of antipsychotic and mood altering pharmaceuticals, a Russian novel of behavioral plans. Nothing seems to work.

Maybe keeping your young child more doped up than a Grateful Dead parkling lot vendor on a coctail of psychotopic meds is part of the problem and not the solution.
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I read the whole thing. FINALLY, someone gets it. Someone understands the actual problem.
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When young men go crazy and they have guns, it should not come as a complete mystery why massacres happen. ... This time, I think more Americans believe it's time to act.
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Take guns out of that response and you've got it. Anything can be a weapon in the mind of a delusional genius. It's not that hard to learn how to make a bomb out of average household materials. It also doesn't take a lot of effort to kill someone without a gun.

I know it may be difficult to imagine, but a world without guns is not going to be a world without death and killing rampages.
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We still don’t know what’s wrong with Michael. Autism spectrum, ADHD, Oppositional Defiant or Intermittent Explosive Disorder have all been tossed around at various meetings with probation officers and social workers and counselors and teachers and school administrators. He’s been on a slew of antipsychotic and mood altering pharmaceuticals, a Russian novel of behavioral plans. Nothing seems to work.

Maybe keeping your young child more doped up than a Grateful Dead parkling lot vendor on a coctail of psychotopic meds is part of the problem and not the solution.
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^^^^^^^^^
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most parents dont want their kids doped up on crazy pills.

more finger pointing and blame.
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We still don’t know what’s wrong with Michael. Autism spectrum, ADHD, Oppositional Defiant or Intermittent Explosive Disorder have all been tossed around at various meetings with probation officers and social workers and counselors and teachers and school administrators. He’s been on a slew of antipsychotic and mood altering pharmaceuticals, a Russian novel of behavioral plans. Nothing seems to work.

Maybe keeping your young child more doped up than a Grateful Dead parkling lot vendor on a coctail of psychotopic meds is part of the problem and not the solution.
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^^^^^^^^^
 Quoting: Shamar


most parents dont want their kids doped up on crazy pills.

more finger pointing and blame.
 Quoting: Salt


and ignorance.
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the nazi regime wants your kids now.
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For this reason it is important to eliminate weapons.


So how do you propose we defend ourselves from mentally ill people wielding a weapon and threatening our families.
I guess it's "easier" to get rid of weapons, next we can get rid of free speech and religious freedom.
Occam's Razor, morans!
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Yeah we all need to understand Huff Poo is bullshit and not all women are cut out for motherhood.
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and obviously most men should keep better track of their dicks.
but society still has to deal with the babies already born. and we can be supportive and help those who need it.
or we can blame and point fingers....and then end up with them shooting little kids in the classroom.
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No one wants to send a 13-year old genius who loves Harry Potter and his snuggle animal collection to jail. But our society, with its stigma on mental illness and its broken healthcare system, does not provide us with other options. Then another tortured soul shoots up a fast food restaurant. A mall. A kindergarten classroom. And we wring our hands and say, “Something must be done.”
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Thanks for sharing the article, while I do not doubt the humble nature of the mother who was willing to speak about the much belittled subject of mental illness, it's quite sad that mother doesn't seem to understand that the problem is in the society and the environment and not so much with the kid.

The mother seems to be out of options and has really no clue what so ever what she is dealing with, so her initial reaction is that of giving him medicine to deal with his chemical imbalance in his head, and this only further fucks the kid up.
Giving kid medicines that

The kid as bright as he appears to be is growing in world that is deceptively beautiful, but cunningly deadly and full of misery and suffering, something that ADULTS doesn't seem to recognize or just plainly deny, instead of realizing they live in the world build upon lies and deception, they do anything to force this sick reality upon their own child.

Most of these so called "mentally ill" kids are just hyper-sensitive to all the bullshit that is going around them, and they also react to it much more harshly once forced upon them, they have within them intuitive knowledge that something is really wrong with the world, and once being unable to accept the fucked up reality what grown up people do is suggest medicating them with pills and medicines, and this is where things really start to take much more disturbing nature.

I have seen what mental medicines can do for most innocent and sweet person, and any parent who is willing to put their kid on medicines, show how irresponsible and ignorant they are.


so now the parents cant medicate thier sick child,so they should throw them in a cage and forget about them.Last time I checked that was illegal too.What do you suggest expert? Heal my child man of god cuz you know how to handle it better than the world of doctors mr expert. Tell me what should we do? God forbid we should take the instruments of destruction away (guns) that would be bad for all the folks out there who play nice with guns cuz you know having a gun keeps you safe just ask the 20 yr old whose mother owned a lot of guns.I suppose I shouldnt give my diabetic child insulin either right because YOU know all what a farce.
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We still don’t know what’s wrong with Michael. Autism spectrum, ADHD, Oppositional Defiant or Intermittent Explosive Disorder have all been tossed around at various meetings with probation officers and social workers and counselors and teachers and school administrators. He’s been on a slew of antipsychotic and mood altering pharmaceuticals, a Russian novel of behavioral plans. Nothing seems to work.

Maybe keeping your young child more doped up than a Grateful Dead parkling lot vendor on a coctail of psychotopic meds is part of the problem and not the solution.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30067337


^^^^^^^^^
 Quoting: Shamar


most parents dont want their kids doped up on crazy pills.

more finger pointing and blame.
 Quoting: Salt


I'm saying that the drugs are the problem. I am not finger pointing anybody.

And ignorance? Are you talking to me? If so, would you please clarify?

Shheeesh.

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Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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 Quoting: smilesun


For this reason it is important to eliminate weapons.
 Quoting: MartianPrincess


So how do you propose we defend ourselves from mentally ill people wielding a weapon and threatening our families.
I guess it's "easier" to get rid of weapons, next we can get rid of free speech and religious freedom.


Between two people with the gun always wins who shoots first! Smiley
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a sick child is still a sweet and innocent beautiful perfectly created person.

if the child has diabetes, nobody goes nuts over insulin.

not all medicine is bad or evil.

what is evil is not finding the core issues and throwing lots of medication at something they don't first understand.

then... what makes it even more difficult is when the doctors understand the problem but don't know how to treat it.

giving medicine to a sick child is a loving thing.

any person that has a mentally ill family member, child or otherwise, that is prone to violent outbursts in the home, has guns laying around, is an idiot.


medicine is God's idea.
abusing medicine is not.
using medicine to discipline a child is not.
over medicating is not.

it is a tangled constellation of issues we face today.
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This is what I was thinking about when I agreed with the poster's comment about the drugs......

Anti-depressant drugs and teens DO NOT GO together. It's destructive on many levels. I'm not saying I know what the answer is, but drugs are not the answer to teen problems.

Thread: CALL TO ACTION: List Of School Shootings Known To Be Linked To SSRIs
Love is a state of Being. Your love is not outside; it is deep within you. You can never lose it, and it cannot leave you. You can feel the same life deep within every other human and every other creature. You look beyond the veil of form and separation. This is the realization of oneness. This is love. What is God? The Eternal One Life underneath all the forms of life. What is love? To feel the presence of that One Life deep within yourself and within all creatures. To be it. Therefore, all love is the love of God.

Death is a stripping away of all that is not you. The secret of life is to die before you die - and find that there is no death.
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We look at the impact mental illness can have on families. Fear, sorrow, frustration and guilt all can afflict the loved ones of a mentally ill person. Yet families are often the main support for people affected by mental illness. The majority of the public is unaware of how many mentally ill people they know and encounter every day.
Recognizing Warning Signs and How to Cope. Most people believe that mental disorders are rare and “happen to someone else .
Family is the best support system a mentally ill person can have, an expert says.
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Yes. But one thing you can't deny is that almost all of these school shooters are on some sort of SSRI. As far as statistics go. That seems pretty concrete to me.
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I am sharing this story because I am Adam Lanza’s mother. I am Dylan Klebold’s and Eric Harris’s mother. I am Jason Holmes’s mother. I am Jared Loughner’s mother. I am Seung-Hui Cho’s mother. And these boys—and their mothers—need help. In the wake of another horrific national tragedy, it’s easy to talk about guns. But it’s time to talk about mental illness. Read all [link to www.huffingtonpost.com]
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I am Adam Lanza's mother. My husband is a homosexual pervert who raped my son.

I am Jason Holmes Mother. My Husband was a gay creep.

I am Jared Loughner's mother, my husband was a gay pedo.
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Yes. But one thing you can't deny is that almost all of these school shooters are on some sort of SSRI. As far as statistics go. That seems pretty concrete to me.


the one thing in common is all of the school shooters had a mental illness.
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It seems to me that mental illness in children is a fairly recent phenomenon. Not only did we not have names for these conditions, ADD, autism, Aspergers, etc., I don't recall ever hearing of any children exhibiting those types of behaviors.

Is my perspective incorrect? Does anyone know of a link that addresses the history of childhood mental illness in the US?

Also, it seems that the percentage of boys suffering with these issues is far greater than the percentage of girls. Is anyone aware of data on this subject?

Thanks.

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It seems to me that mental illness in children is a fairly recent phenomenon. Not only did we not have names for these conditions, ADD, autism, Aspergers, etc., I don't recall ever hearing of any children exhibiting those types of behaviors.

Is my perspective incorrect? Does anyone know of a link that addresses the history of childhood mental illness in the US?

Also, it seems that the percentage of boys suffering with these issues is far greater than the percentage of girls. Is anyone aware of data on this subject?

Thanks.
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the advances in liberal attitudes as well as consumerism's hypnotic spell, and modern conveniences/technologies that provide instant gratification has taught parents to enable an entitlement attitude in our children.
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the one thing in common is all of the school shooters had a mental illness.


You have a solution to stop these massacres weapons?

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