If God loves children then why did he order the Israelites to kill the children of the Amalekites and Canaanites?

The Canaanites were evil, look at Israelis novadays.

Look at the history of 'Israel' and the Palestinians. The Palestinians have been thorns and nettles in Judah's side just as it was Prophesied. God knew there would never have been peace until they were exterminated/driven out but the ancient Israelites disobeyed God and we have the problems of today.

But if ye will not drive out the inhabitants of the land from before you; then it shall come to pass, that those which ye let remain of them shall be pricks in your eyes, and thorns in your sides, and shall vex you in the land wherein ye dwell. Numbers 33:55

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Canaanites were into human sacrifices and other inhumane activities.

Amalekites mistreated Israel without any apparent reason.

Doesn't sound like God speaking, sorry.

The Bible says there were giants in Canaan--they were nephilim. There was another eruption of nephilim after the flood. That is why Joshua was commanded to wipe them out

Just one more example that proves the old testament was written by psychopaths.
didn't this imaginary being command that thou shall not kill?

I can not believe people still buy into this crap, then again...

Not a single truth in that statement - not one

There can be only one logical answer: it was a different "god."

Because it isn't, it is IHUH.

Because they were evil hybrids, giants. Not fully human, they were an abomination to God......and mankind.

This is a long and in depth topic OP that requires alot of study to completely understand it. It can't all be explained in one paragraph.

We cannot use the same justice for our Grace dispenstion given with the justice in that incident. Had Nebuchadnezzar not come into power by the will of the people, Samuel would have kept the power and cleaned-up by the will of God for the people as the people wanted gold more than God. The gold period covers from Nebuchadnezzar to 1963, after 1963 the Grace period blends into eternity while this world of sin is removed from God's presence, man kills man in the end as we are busy witnessing. The natural law is; God only speaks to His chosen prophets (Samuel for example) and they speak to the people and the people listen, this keeps society pure and successful both naturally and spiritually, a super-race so the earth can flourish to the glory of God not to the glory of Satan as it is now as Satan deceives us then he kills us, Satan does not save, he insults God as much as possible and does this by using people to do it. Nebuchadnezzar was the people's choice for the people while it was not God's choice for the people, a great lesson learnt as we see Satan's kingdom we are in busy falling, falling all done at the hand of God as He is about to lead a new world here on earth in Person from Jerusalem. Our justice is; all sins are forgiveable except the blasphemy of the Holy Spirit but our governments and religions changed God's laws and the whole human race got deceived and Satan control it. During our Grace dispensation of 2000 years Christ's church got built, the mystical body of Christ, she is His Bride because they reflect His Character, they are The New Jerusalem and she descends into Jerusalem, Christ coming back with His saints. These are all the people over 2000 years, billions of people, they inherit the earth as promised and enjoy to be with Jesus for 1000 years here, peace time. They were all saved by the Blood of Jesus, they were reborn into His Spirit. After 1000 years everyone is raised up and Christ gives some Life to enjoy here on earth and He gives others the death sentence, this death sentence is the second death due to what people did here on earth. The gospels teaches how to live our life and to teach your children, that is love, love is correction, they will be saved from the hell fire. Satan was cursed in the beginning and he with his legions are cast into a lake of fire. Sin can no longer exist after this. The trouble started with Lucifer who threatened life in the heavens and had to be cast out with his legions and when God created the earth Satan was still around, the catalyst to keep us away from the hell fire, God has his children through the testing grounds and they inherit the earth which He died for. All land belongs to those who's names are written in the lambs Book of Life. The land on earth as it stands, belongs to the Pope and the Queen and they collect our tax monies to rule the world but they lose it due to failure of adhereing to God's 9 prophets provided over the 2000 years, the true vine of Christianity, the false vine of Christianity is removed as it is controlled by Satan who deceived the world, but there are saints who were not deceived, sheep who recognised the voice of The Great Creator.

Here are the names of the ones wiped out, in other instances female virgins were captured and married into the 12 Tribes. You can even find them on a map.
[link to bibleatlas.org]

De:21:11:
And seest among the captives a beautiful woman,
and hast a desire unto her,
that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;

De:2:11:
Which also were accounted giants,
as the Anakims;
but the Moabites call them Emims.
De:2:20:
(That also was accounted a land of giants:
giants dwelt therein in old time;
and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;
De:3:11:
For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants;
behold,
his bedstead was a bedstead of iron;
is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon?
nine cubits was the length thereof,
and four cubits the breadth of it,
after the cubit of a man.
De:3:13:
And the rest of Gilead,
and all Bashan,
being the kingdom of Og,
gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh;
all the region of Argob,
with all Bashan,
which was called the land of giants.
Jos:12:4:
And the coast of Og king of Bashan,
which was of the remnant of the giants,
that dwelt at Ashtaroth and at Edrei,
Jos:13:12:
All the kingdom of Og in Bashan,
which reigned in Ashtaroth and in Edrei,
who remained of the remnant of the giants:
for these did Moses smite,
and cast them out.
Jos:15:8:
And the border went up by the valley of the son of Hinnom unto the south side of the Jebusite;
the same is Jerusalem:
and the border went up to the top of the mountain that lieth before the valley of Hinnom westward,
which is at the end of the valley of the giants northward:
Jos:17:15:
And Joshua answered them,
If thou be a great people,
then get thee up to the wood country, and cut down for thyself there in the land of the Perizzites and of the giants,
if mount Ephraim be too narrow for thee.
Jos:18:16:
And the border came down to the end of the mountain that lieth before the valley of the son of Hinnom,
and which is in the valley of the giants on the north,
and descended to the valley of Hinnom,
to the side of Jebusi on the south,
and descended to En-rogel,
2Sa:21:16:
And Ishbi-benob,
which was of the sons of the giant,
the weight of whose spear weighed three hundred shekels of brass in weight,
he being girded with a new sword,
thought to have slain David.
2Sa:21:18:
And it came to pass after this,
that there was again a battle with the Philistines at Gob:
then Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Saph,
which was of the sons of the giant.
2Sa:21:20:
And there was yet a battle in Gath,
where was a man of great stature,
that had on every hand six fingers,
and on every foot six toes,
four and twenty in number;
and he also was born to the giant.
2Sa:21:22:
These four were born to the giant in Gath,
and fell by the hand of David,
and by the hand of his servants.
1Ch:20:4:
And it came to pass after this,
that there arose war at Gezer with the Philistines;
at which time Sibbechai the Hushathite slew Sippai,
that was of the children of the giant:
and they were subdued.

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why do people persist in pointing-out only what looks makes god look like an ass?

Like the Psalms you put here to smear his name. If you had read further or been honest in what text you put here the reasons would be obvious.

Here is David asking the Lord to remember the crimes Edom had perpetrated upon other Nations and saying to god. "I hope some day you dash their children against the stones just like they have done to others; he's praying for justice.

Now if you had bothered to read scripture instead of looking to condemn god you would have known that God had Israel do as you have pointed out for the following reason:

Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the LORD thy God hath cast them out from before thee, saying, For my righteousness the LORD hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD doth drive them out from before thee. Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

"but for the wickedness of those nations"

Above all god is just and the wickedness of those nations had risen up before his face and his justice demanded recompense.

what would you do if a man came into your house, killed all your children, your wife, your dog, your cat, but left you alive?

would you buy him a cake and have coffee with him or would you seek his life and his children's for what he had done?

God is pure love. God always acts in accordance with the highest manifestation of love and justice.

And what does that love and justice demand? Sometimes it demands full scale genocide. When people are presented with such information, the first response is to generally recoil at the thought in either confusion or anger. The problem is the way people see things not that God isn't loving or just.

The Amalakites were perhaps the pristine example of an utterly debauched people. They had given themselves wholly to the demonic. Their entire culture was given over to demonic worship and child sacrifice. This evil seed and progeny must needs have been erradicated from the face of the earth. Not just conquered, but wiped out. The infants and children living then would have had the memory of their ancestors. There may have been revolt, or they might have sought vengence in reactionarianism to a working that they did not understand. And more importantly, it was absolutely essential at this time so that they would be in no way a corrupting influence upon Israel at all. It was actually more loving to slay the children (who had no sin and had not learned the ways of their corrupt people) then to let them grow up in enslavement and servitude, always knowing that their fathers had been wiped out for their evil and demonic sorcercy. Amalakite culture wasn't a society, it was a living hell and nightmare of darkness, murder, blood, brutality and sin. It had to be wiped out like the other Canaanite cultures in order to establish a temporary Kingdom on earth in order to establish the Kingdom of Heaven in Jesus Christ centuries later.

If people still rail against such actions and occurances of history, I will not agrue with them. They simply are the kinds of people who will never understand that the world has been in a perpetual spiritual war ever since the fall in the Garden of Eden and so it will continue till Heaven and Earth pass away. What people don't understand is that this world was destroyed and utterly corrupted at the fall in the Garden of Eden. Ever since that time, God has only been working to rectify it so that man should not have to live in the state of a perpetual curse during all his miserable days on earth and then in a state of cursed damnation afterward.

They don't understand the divine answer because they never understood the gravity of the question or even the issue in the first place. The truth is, not all genocide is created equal. I know that may seem almost impossible to understand or believe. Nonetheless, it remains true.

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They were satans seeds in earth.
Jesus explains in Matthew 13:24-30, the Parable of the Wheat and Weeds.

Eternity means eternity what happens after 1000 years only God knows or those who have been enlightened on this, saved souls cannot die, people remain in their youth and cannot age, the way Adam was spoken into existence by God in the beginning. Adam never came here as a baby, God spoke him into existence and God walked with him for 800 years before he was put into flesh.

thank you, finally someone else with a brain.

Well, just so long as God isn't genociding the Jewish folk, I guess it's okay.

But, wait!



^^^^^^^^

God's work?

God's love?

You bet.

Don't question The Lord.

You've been warned.

The Lord just called me on my cell, and he says he doesn't mind a few questions now and then.

You are forgetting one thing -- God did bring and has brought Genocide upon the Jews. He has done it more than once. Think of the first genocide brought by Babylon in 586 B.C. Did you know that only a very small remnant of about 50,000 people ever even came back from the Babylonian exile, and those only from two tribes and some Levites.

A.D. 70 can't really be described as anything but a full scale extermination of Jews in Judea and Galilee. At the burning of the Temple and sacking of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 by Titus Vespasian, it is estimated based upon historical records that upwards to 2 million people may have died in Jerusalem alone. Josephus states that 1.1 million were slain outright with the sword of the Roman legions. That's not counting all the other hundreds of thousands who starved to death and then the continuing campaign of bloodshed that went on till about A.D. 73. It was Jesus Christ Himself who promised to bring this Genocide upon them to avenge all the blood from Abel to Zechariah the Son of Berakiah.

No, Jews aren't exampt. And neither is any other people who gives itself over to evil. Here's what people to this day don't seem to understand--the wages of sin is DEATH.

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the excluded books of the Bible ('excluded' by whom and why?) pretty much covers it.....Books of Enoch, Jubilees, lost Book of Eden...also....perhaps....the dozen or so NT books/epistles/gospels that have also been excluded!

(cheers!)

There were no books excluded from the Bible. The Hebrew Bible is simply the library of books written and edited by Ezra the Scribe after the Babylonian captivity. Genesis -- II Kings is one book contained in 12 volumes cataloging and chronicling the history of the Jews from creation to the Babylonian Captivity. Ezra and Nehemiah are the second part of this work. The Psalms and Prophets are Ezra's compendium of the writings of the prophets before the captivity and during the restoration. That's all the Hebrew Bible is. They could not add more books, because only Ezra the Scribe had priestly and divine authority to put together such a volume in the first place. In fact, it was the king of Babylon who specifically ordered Ezra to take back the Book of the Law (not Ezra's 5 Books of Torah, but the one scroll of the Law written by Moses) and enscribe and teach just that. There aren't any other books to the Bible. These other books that you have mentioned were written several centuries later than Ezra's compendium (commonly called the Bible today).

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The Commandments of God were meant for Israelites, not the enemies of God, which were the enemies of Israelites as well. Until today.

The genocide and ethnic cleansing of Canaan wasn't murder. It was divinely ordained military pre-emptive strike and conquest with the sole purpose of eradicating evil tribes before they could corrupt and destroy the land any more than they already had. I feel that God used the Spanish Conquest of Mexico in a similar fashion. The ancient peoples of Mexico can be proven to have been very similar to the Canaanites. They had thrown themselves into demonic worship, head hunting, human sacrifice, blood letting and canabalism. They were an evil seed on this earth and they were justly eradicated by the Catholic Conquizstadors. And though the Roman Rite is guilty of atrocity, one must remember that Empirial Rome was the Beast itself. Nonetheless, even this may be used by God in a purpose not yet known to bring about a greater Good in his plan and purpose.

When people use the command of 'thou shalt do no murder' and then apply it to the military conquest of Canaan, they are using this Scripture out of context and twisting its meaning into something it was never intended to convey.

Before people accuse God of injustice, let them make certain that they themselves of totally free of sin and perfect and able to have a priori objective and omniscient knowledge. Because if they aren't and can't, they cannot possibly comprehend Justice in its verity, for they themselves are most blind to its nature.

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The Commandments of God were meant for Israelites, not the enemies of God, which were the enemies of Israelites as well. Until today.

Leviticus 20:23 You must not live according to the customs of the nations I am going to drive out before you. Because they did all these things, I abhorred them.

"God is on our side" could be used by pretty much anyone to justify pretty much anything, as long as they were the ones left breathing at the end of the fight.

Isn't that right.

Leviticus 20:23 You must not live according to the customs of the nations I am going to drive out before you. Because they did all these things, I abhorred them.

Leviticus 20:23 You must not live according to the customs of the nations I am going to drive out before you. Because they did all these things, I abhorred them.