All of the MEDIA are in on it! CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc. Who can we trust?

I already explained:
In Romans we find that, although they have no excuse for not knowing God, and they knew God, but they did not honor Him as God, or give thanks; but they became futile in their speculations and their foolish heart was darkened; they became fools (thinking they were smart), and made idols to worship, so God gave them over to their sins and their evils and their lusts. They deliberately chose to believe lies and to disobey Him...they didn't want to give up their sins, and so they descended deeper and deeper into sin. It is increasingly evil and destructive.
They have no excuse. They deliberately chose evil.

Did God Create Evil - Does the Bible Say So?
by Rich Deem
Introduction One of the most common reasons skeptics reject the existence of God is due to the presence of evil in this universe. They reason that a perfect God would not create a universe in which evil exists. Skeptics claim that since God created everything that God must have also created evil. They even cite Bible verses, such as:

•I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7, KJV)
•Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the LORD hath not done it? (Amos 3:6, KJV)
•Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good? (Lamentations 3:38)
However, evil is not really a created thing. You can't see, touch, feel, smell or hear evil. It is not one of the fundamental forces of physics, nor does it consist of matter, energy, or the spatial dimensions of the universe. Still, skeptics like to claim that God created evil and cite the Bible to "prove" their point. The Bible is quite clear that God is not the author of evil and insists that He is incapable of doing so.1

Love that King James translation!Skeptics love the KJV so much, one would think that they were still back in medieval England. Use of this translation is problematic these days, since it uses an archaic version of modern English, which doesn't necessarily mean the same things today as when it was translated over 400 years ago. In addition, the KJV was produced using a limited number of medieval manuscripts that did not represent the earliest Alexandrian set of manuscripts.

What do the modern translations say?

•The One forming light and creating darkness, Causing well-being and creating calamity; I am the LORD who does all these. (Isaiah 45:7, NASB)
•I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things. (Isaiah 45:7, NIV)
Isaiah 45:7 contrasts opposites. Darkness is the opposite of light. However, evil is not the opposite of peace. The Hebrew word translated "peace" is shâlôm,2 which has many meanings, mostly related to the well being of individuals. Râ‛âh,3 the Hebrew word translated "evil" in the KJV often refers to adversity or calamity. There are two forms of the word. Strong's H7451a most often refers to moral evil, whereas Strong's H7451b (the form used here) most often refers to calamity or distress. Obviously, "calamity" is a better antonym of "peace" than "evil."

Amos 3:6

•If a trumpet is blown in a city will not the people tremble? If a calamity occurs in a city has not the LORD done it? (Amos 3:6, NASB)
•When a trumpet sounds in a city, do not the people tremble? When disaster comes to a city, has not the LORD caused it? (Amos 3:6, NIV)
Likewise, Amos 3:6 uses the same word, râ‛âh, referring to calamity or disaster. the context (a disaster happening to a city) does not refer to moral evil.

Lamentations 3:38

•Is it not from the mouth of the Most High that both calamities and good things come? (Lamentations 3:38, NIV)
•Is it not from the mouth of the Most High That both good and ill go forth? (Lamentations 3:38, NASB)
The King James Version of Lamentations 3:38 seems to suggest that God speaks both good and evil. However, if one reads the verse in context, the preceding verses indicate that God does not do or approve of evil.4 The verse following indicates that people should not complain in view of their sins.5 What the verse really is saying that God decrees times of good things and times of judgment. Lamentations was written by Jeremiah during a time of judgment, when Judah had gone off into exile. Jeremiah was chosen by God to be the prophet to tell Judah to reform or be judged. The people did not believe Jeremiah, and, therefore, fell under God's judgment. In Lamentations 3:38, the word translated "good" is ṭôb (Strong's H2896).6 The word usually refers to good things5 as opposed to bad things. Again, râ‛âh3 does not refer to moral evil, but calamities, in this verse. Likewise, the Bible commentaries indicate that the verse refers to God's judgment based upon people's sin.7

Conclusion God is not the author of evil.8 However, God does reward and punish on the basis of good and bad behavior. Therefore, God does bring judgment and calamity (either directly or through human authorities) on those who rebel.9 God will ultimately judge all people, since rebels will not be allowed in the new, perfect creation.


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BTW folks this is a prime example of how religtards derail and hi jack threads and the reason why they're so despised.

maybe one day you folks will learn to shut the fuck about the bible for once and discuss from your own life experiences and conclusions. I feel bad for having taken the bait and turned this thread into a bible quote porn fest.

Your kind of contributing and so is my post aha

BTW folks this is a prime example of how religtards derail and hi jack threads and the reason why they're so despised.

maybe one day you folks will learn to shut the fuck about the bible for once and discuss from your own life experiences and conclusions. I feel bad for having taken the bait and turned this thread into a bible quote porn fest.

>Watch CNN
>"we need to get rid of the guns and the videos games"
>change to MSNBC
>"We have to take a look at people without the facebook and those who don't hang out with friends who stay inside all day and play video games"
>change to fox
>"Just like after 9/11 we might have to sacrifice some rights for the safety of our kids"

Holy shit.. It's happening fuck! Everyone is in on it!

I simply agreed with Trinity that he was right about people having the knowledge of good and evil in their hearts.
No intent to derail or hijack a thread. I was just trying to give a rebuttal for your errors. The Bible should be everyone's guide for life. It is the standard for right and wrong, and life cannot be lived joyfully or successfully without it as our standard and guide.
If I "derailed" this thread, I apologize to everyone.
Just trying to contribute answers or to correct error when I see them.

Yeah I know but it ain't my fault, I was debating on topic and then the dumb religtard began quoting bible passages and pissed me off

Them ole' Fandango rangers?

yup. just like after 911 they activated the nano fibers and nano bots in everyone's blood stream to become patriots. now they have activated the shooters and they are sending the digital signals through the TV sets to activate the second amendment psyops. if you have had a vaccine of any sort in the last 12 years, do not turn on your television or you will become part of the gun ban psyops. 9-11-2001 =12-14-2012.

Not even amongst Christians you can come to an agreement on which version is best or which translations are correct. After millennia of embracing that book all that it has brought is division for people and even today after thousands of years of war the Abrahamic faiths are still at it.

How much will it be enough so that reasonable people discussing subjects with their own intelligence have to subjected to religious folks invading the debate with claims that we "should adopt the bible as our guide"?

Don't you get it yet? The Bible has FAILED! it has proven to be a tree that gives BAD FRUIT. move the fuck on already.

You are pathetic. I do hope you repent. (repent means "change your mind"
I'm out!

yep, basic conspiracy theory 101
cant trust the media
what else is news??

Fucking religitards ruined another thread.

>Watch CNN
>"we need to get rid of the guns and the videos games"
>change to MSNBC
>"We have to take a look at people without the facebook and those who don't hang out with friends who stay inside all day and play video games"
>change to fox
>"Just like after 9/11 we might have to sacrifice some rights for the safety of our kids"

Holy shit.. It's happening fuck! Everyone is in on it!