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GUN CONTROL, A PROPOSAL

 
Chrit

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12/16/2012 11:12 PM

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I want to thank you all for your responses. I was hoping that some of these gunhaters, which seem rampant on this site, would respond because I'm curious what they would think of compromise. That is why I didn't post this on ar15.com, because every response would match the ones here.

I don't believe I am a retard. But the populace, including my own wife, have been brainwashed to hate guns. And incidences like this convince them even more.

my wife is yelling for me to sell my guns to save the lives of my kids. Therefore, I am seeking compromise.

in my situation, I could move the guns out of my house and would not fear for my life. But I would not just give my guns away either.

some posters seem to understand and think rationally, but most are responding out of pure emotion.
 Quoting: RF 1287633


I don’t know a single cop who would leave their wife at home unarmed with the kids why they go to work.

People have a movie based opinion of guns; a gun is a tool just the same as a hammer to be used as a tool.

I’ve said this before, my father used to keep his gun loaded in his locker a school along with all his other friends who would go shooting after school. No one cared, it was normal!

What we have today is uneducated public that more and more their only contact with guns is through movies and bad media. They think you can shoot a car and it will blow up! They have very little real concepts of what gun is for; they do not even realize people actually shoot their dinners in real life daily! They have done nothing but buy from the grocery store their whole lives.

Go buy a safe get the wife and kids some safety classes. Knowing what a gun is and how to use it removes a person’s preconceived ideas and fears. Besides why have a gun if everyone in the house is not trained on safety and respect and proper use of all weapons.


I got my first browning BA22 at the age of 3, you don’t hide guns from kids that just makes them more curious, like putting a big red button on a table and saying don’t push that button! You educate them.

Last Edited by Chrit on 12/16/2012 11:44 PM
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12/17/2012 06:10 AM
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Take your meds dumbass
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Let's not forget about this study:
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12/17/2012 06:20 AM
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Not interested. Such a proposal would punish those who are not guilty of anything. That's not acceptable.

I would suggest treating households with a dangerously mentally ill occupant the same as one with a convicted felon. In that case, yes, the weapons would need to be stored off the premises...at a place of the owner's choosing, not the police.

That's not a perfect solution, either, but solves the problem you're trying to fix while minimizing the infringement on everyone else.
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the solution is concealed carry EVERYWHERE...

The last 3 major shootings were:

Theater, Mosque, School.

What do they have in common? oh yea...ALL GUN FREE ZONES.

Gun free zones = deadly zones

And NO shills, I'm NOT saying the kids should be packing. But if the principal had kept a gun in her office in a safe or even concealed carry herself or even a teacher, THIS COULD HAVE BEEN GREATLY PREVENTED.
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Fuck that, just do a deeper background and psych evaluation to keep the nut jobs away from being able to buy guns. But even that wont stop the shootings. The asshole shooter in this case used weapons stolen from his mother. Weapons that were undeniably legally purchased, and possessed by her, they even could have been locked up nit when a lunatic family member shoots you in the face with your own weapon its kind of hard to stop the theft. Just saying no matter what they come up with including more stringent laws or confiscation it wont stop anything, in fact crime will go up. But by allowing the open or concealed carry by every ciyizen anytime and any place, would drastically lower these instances from happening or at the very least end them sooner with fewer casualties just from the simple fact that its a lot harder to commiy these heinous attacks when there are several weapons pointed right back at you. People tend to have more respect toward a persom when they are armed...strangest thing
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Fuck that, just do a deeper background and psych evaluation to keep the nut jobs away from being able to buy guns. But even that wont stop the shootings. The asshole shooter in this case used weapons stolen from his mother. Weapons that were undeniably legally purchased, and possessed by her, they even could have been locked up nit when a lunatic family member shoots you in the face with your own weapon its kind of hard to stop the theft. Just saying no matter what they come up with including more stringent laws or confiscation it wont stop anything, in fact crime will go up. But by allowing the open or concealed carry by every ciyizen anytime and any place, would drastically lower these instances from happening or at the very least end them sooner with fewer casualties just from the simple fact that its a lot harder to commiy these heinous attacks when there are several weapons pointed right back at you. People tend to have more respect toward a persom when they are armed...strangest thing
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Fuck that, just do a deeper background and psych evaluation to keep the nut jobs away from being able to buy guns. But even that wont stop the shootings. The asshole shooter in this case used weapons stolen from his mother. Weapons that were undeniably legally purchase
, and possessed by her, they even could have been locked up nit when a lunatic family member shoots you in the face with your own weapon its kind of hard to stop the theft. Just saying no matter what they come up with including more stringent laws or confiscation it wont stop anything, in fact crime will go up. But by allowing the open or concealed carry by every ciyizen anytime and any place, would drastically lower these instances from happening or at the very least end them sooner with
fewer casualties just from the simple fact that its a lot harder to commiy

these heinous attacks when there are several weapons pointed right back at you. People tend to have more respect toward a persom when they are armed...strangest thing
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Sorry about the spelling...stupid phone
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What a world. I remember duck hunting before school and having my shot gun locked in my car for the rest of the day while I was at school. These days I would be branded a terrorist.
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You wrote all that under one silly presumption? That someone who plans on slaughtering people is afraid to walk into a police station to pick up his guns?



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bump
Garman906

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after obamas speech tonight, they will be coming for our "assault" rifles. It is a matter of time. We will all be forced to choose. Revolution or disarmament.

they were given a choice in England, and if you read the article, many chose disarmament. I'm sure they would have told me to fuck off as well. But in the end they lost their guns.

if it becomes a black or white issue, you will either lose your guns or your life. Without compromise you may lose both.
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So, basically what you're proposing is to kill people to force gun control so that people won't be killed.

F***ing brilliant liberal strategy.
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I'm back. Had to sleep.

I believe that these mass shootings are a result of brainwashing. I believe the signal is being transmitted over our tv's. That being said, the aurora shooting was supposed to turn the tide of public opinion. It didn't work, so this school shooting was executed. It is working perfectly.

in the next few days, some of the most restrictive gun laws will be pushed through congress and the senate. The ar15 and the ak47 will immediately be restricted. There will be no grandfather clauses. You turn them in now or we'll come get them. That will be the ultimatum. This can go 2 ways. The guns are turned in, our...a lot of americans are about to be executed by their government.

enough americans are opposed to guns that you won't only be fighting the government, you'll be getting turned in by your neighbor. I am the only guy at my job who shoots for sport and have been ostricized for doing so. Have you ever been called a radical? I have.

would a guy who plays basketball on weekends be called a basketball nut? No. But I've been called a gun nut. I've invited co-workers to come shoot with me and they roll their eyes.

if the government says "tell us who has guns." these people will turn me in, in a second. When I first saw in the news that a guy killed a bunch of 6 year olds, I just had a sinking feeling that this is the beginning of either civil war 2 or disarmament.
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There is an incompatibility between many drugs and firearms. Some drugs like cocaine reduce peoples ability to make rational judgment and makes them feel superhuman. A person on cocaine is more likely to make a lethal decision if they have a gun in their hand. Modern antidepressants are very subtle and some work by blocking single receptors to prevent the receptor doing its normal work. While depression is a horrible illness, the cure actually involves preventing biochemical processes thus effectively making part of the brain not work properly.
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after obamas speech tonight, they will be coming for our "assault" rifles. It is a matter of time. We will all be forced to choose. Revolution or disarmament.

they were given a choice in England, and if you read the article, many chose disarmament. I'm sure they would have told me to fuck off as well. But in the end they lost their guns.

if it becomes a black or white issue, you will either lose your guns or your life. Without compromise you may lose both.
 Quoting: RF 1287633


So, basically what you're proposing is to kill people to force gun control so that people won't be killed.

F***ing brilliant liberal strategy.
 Quoting: Garman906


I guess either I can't write clearly or people can't read anymore. I OWN GUNS. I OWN ASSAULT WEAPONS. I AM A CONSERVATIVE REPLUBLICAN. I AM AN NRA MEMBER. I AN A VETERAN OF FOREIGN WAR. I LOVE MY GUN COLLECTION AND DO NOT WANT TO GIVE IT UP.. I don't propose killing but the fact is that they will kill you, me and anyone else who resists.

that being said. In 1996 in England there was a mass shooting. After which there was public outcry for disarmament. I'm sure if I posted the same question back then I would have been told to fuck off and heard that they would have to pry their weapons from their cold dead hands.. But today england is essentially gun free, except for the criminals.. There was no civil war. They just lost their guns...period.

I'm done posting. It's pretty clear that there can be no resolution except war. Not a single anti-gun lobbyist posted here, not one. And all of the gun owners say "pry them from my cold dead hands.".

I hope everyone is ready for where this leads.
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A lot of these atrocities take place in schools.

Shut them down. As good an argument as grabbing guns.
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after obamas speech tonight, they will be coming for our "assault" rifles. It is a matter of time. We will all be forced to choose. Revolution or disarmament.

they were given a choice in England, and if you read the article, many chose disarmament. I'm sure they would have told me to fuck off as well. But in the end they lost their guns.

if it becomes a black or white issue, you will either lose your guns or your life. Without compromise you may lose both.
 Quoting: RF 1287633


So, basically what you're proposing is to kill people to force gun control so that people won't be killed.

F***ing brilliant liberal strategy.
 Quoting: Garman906


I guess either I can't write clearly or people can't read anymore. I OWN GUNS. I OWN ASSAULT WEAPONS. I AM A CONSERVATIVE REPLUBLICAN. I AM AN NRA MEMBER. I AN A VETERAN OF FOREIGN WAR. I LOVE MY GUN COLLECTION AND DO NOT WANT TO GIVE IT UP.. I don't propose killing but the fact is that they will kill you, me and anyone else who resists.

that being said. In 1996 in England there was a mass shooting. After which there was public outcry for disarmament. I'm sure if I posted the same question back then I would have been told to fuck off and heard that they would have to pry their weapons from their cold dead hands.. But today england is essentially gun free, except for the criminals.. There was no civil war. They just lost their guns...period.

I'm done posting. It's pretty clear that there can be no resolution except war. Not a single anti-gun lobbyist posted here, not one. And all of the gun owners say "pry them from my cold dead hands.".

I hope everyone is ready for where this leads.
 Quoting: RF 1287633


Most people are all talk. When push comes to shove they will drop their bravado and hand over their firearms. I do not believe that more than 15% of NRA members will maintain solidarity with their ideals, when they are threatened. I do not think there will be war or revolution. People have become softened by the modern lifestyle. They have become dependent on their comforts. The average citizen will not crawl through the mud spying out groups of well armed oppressive thugs. They will not set up sniper points on roads and intersections either. No point because they will be targeted by aircraft with FLIR.
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One shoe-bombing attempt and everyone takes off their shoes at the airport. Done.

Scotland - one school shooting, and all cartridges / clips banned from private ownership. No more school shootings.

There's merit in what OP says, particularly for certain types of weapons.

I don't agree with the NRA interpretation of the constitution and I think that there's no place for civilian ownership of semi-automatic weapons. Period.

Hunting weapons are not designed for mass murder. In my opinion such weapons are not the discussion. it's the automatics or those with large clips. What on earth do you need these for in your homes?

For those of you who don't like the idea that "guns kill people" I would suggest that it's exactly the case. Yes, people use the guns to kill people, but if someone has a semi-automatic weapon vs. a single-shot weapon or non-automatic, you tell me how that person is not better able to commit mass crimes. Don't you, in your private gun-clutching hearts believe that someone with an automatic is able to kill more people in less time simply BECAUSE THEY CAN? Don't you also believe that if those weapons were not available, the number of victims would be lower? MUCH lower?

It's a complete embarrassment that this country has 100's of millions of guns floating around in the population. It will take years to reverse this, but I completely agree with the OP that at least for some weapons, his suggestion is worth considering.
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As a gun owner and shooter and a father of a 6 yr old daughter I was extremely alarmed by the recent school shooting. I enjoy shooting but admittedly, guns make killing easy.. The truth is, that in the hands of a maniac, they make it way to easy.

but is giving guns up truly a solution? Is throwing out the Constitution really an option. I would say no.

but there is an underlying problem and that is the mental state of the USA. Too many of us are on anti-depressants and psychotropic drugs, making us unstable and unpredictable.

in this recent case, the guns were not even the property of the killer.

so is there an option, which allows gun owners the right to own and fire a gun, while keeping these same guns away from manic psychos?

I believe so. Here is my proposal.

what if the local sheriffs department held guns in a locked room for each gun owner? In order to use it, you went and signed it out. You could sign it out for a day or a week or a month. The gun owner paid rent keep the guns locked up.

I know that this removes the guns from the home and hence, remove the ability to protect oneself, but most people I know keep their guns in a gun safe, which is inconvenient.

this is a sacrifice on the part of gun owners, and it is a sacrifice on behalf of those who say, take away the 2nd amendment. But it would take a pretty ballsy move, to go to the sherriffs office and sign out a gun and then go kill with it.. As a matter of fact, who would go ask a cop for their gun so they could go kill?

gun owners: surely this option beats having your guns confiscated forever, right?

gun haters: this puts the killing machines in the hands of trained professionals, who can observe the owner and look for signs of anger or anything that alerts them to something unusual about their behavior.

again, I own 8 different guns: 2 pistols, 2 semi-auto rifles, 1 shotgun, 1 pistol calibre rifle and 2 short barreled rifles. I shoot weekly. But gun sales have gone through the roof and who is to say that all of these gun owners are all together there.

buy a gun, it goes directly to the sheriffs department. Sign it out, go shooting, sign it back in.

BTW: when I was I. The army this was very similar to the armory. In order to get my m16 I had to sign it out and return it later that day. No different.
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Good morning... Moron.

1) Stop infringing the fuck out of "shall not be infringed".

2) The "government" isn't making ANY "sacrifices". Because ANY attempt to take away the 2nd amendment is an unconstitutional and ILLEGAL law, and is PURE treason, punishable by death.

3) Pull your head out of your colon. Makes it a lot easier to see.
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FUCK YOU OP.
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As another who posted this Harvard study, if you think controling guns means less death and or crime you're just a moron. Own it.

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Heres my proposal:

Every RESPONSIBLE, MENTALLY STABLE, AVERAGE AND PATRIOTIC male citizen carries a small handgun on him for self defense everywhere he goes.

Now, if you were a criminal, and you knew that most people had a gun on them, would you do illegal things brazenly?
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we do not have a gun problem,
we have a drug problem

big pharma shoves all kinds
of drugs down your kids throat
and fvcks them up for life.

talking about the dumbing down
of America and depopulation by
the same agenda ??

you are witnessing it with the
play by play on the news

get your kids off script drugs ASAP,
it's killing them and us

do it NOW !!!
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please, hold on a minute mr. intruder, before you rape my wife and kill my family, I need to go to the local sheriff and sign out my gun.....


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please, hold on a minute mr. intruder, before you rape my wife and kill my family, I need to go to the local sheriff and sign out my gun.....


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Paranoia runs deep on GLP.
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One shoe-bombing attempt and everyone takes off their shoes at the airport. Done.

Scotland - one school shooting, and all cartridges / clips banned from private ownership. No more school shootings.

There's merit in what OP says, particularly for certain types of weapons.

I don't agree with the NRA interpretation of the constitution and I think that there's no place for civilian ownership of semi-automatic weapons. Period.

Hunting weapons are not designed for mass murder. In my opinion such weapons are not the discussion. it's the automatics or those with large clips. What on earth do you need these for in your homes?

For those of you who don't like the idea that "guns kill people" I would suggest that it's exactly the case. Yes, people use the guns to kill people, but if someone has a semi-automatic weapon vs. a single-shot weapon or non-automatic, you tell me how that person is not better able to commit mass crimes. Don't you, in your private gun-clutching hearts believe that someone with an automatic is able to kill more people in less time simply BECAUSE THEY CAN? Don't you also believe that if those weapons were not available, the number of victims would be lower? MUCH lower?

It's a complete embarrassment that this country has 100's of millions of guns floating around in the population. It will take years to reverse this, but I completely agree with the OP that at least for some weapons, his suggestion is worth considering.
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Gun Rights is not just about hunting, AC.
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after obamas speech tonight, they will be coming for our "assault" rifles. It is a matter of time. We will all be forced to choose. Revolution or disarmament.

they were given a choice in England, and if you read the article, many chose disarmament. I'm sure they would have told me to fuck off as well. But in the end they lost their guns.

if it becomes a black or white issue, you will either lose your guns or your life. Without compromise you may lose both.
 Quoting: RF 1287633


You're right they are coming for them, but giving them to the cops is the same thing as disarmament. Why bother with this step?
It is too late for revolution as well, why do you think they chose this time to kill all those kids?
This is a done deal. All my guns are registered so their is no hiding them for me. Even the hunters whose guns are handed down and not registered, they know you have guns since you get a hunting license. Bow season, shotguns, rifles.
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please, hold on a minute mr. intruder, before you rape my wife and kill my family, I need to go to the local sheriff and sign out my gun.....


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Paranoia runs deep on GLP.
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name calling is not the answer either, if you can't say something logical maybe you should stay silent.
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One shoe-bombing attempt and everyone takes off their shoes at the airport. Done.

Scotland - one school shooting, and all cartridges / clips banned from private ownership. No more school shootings.

There's merit in what OP says, particularly for certain types of weapons.

I don't agree with the NRA interpretation of the constitution and I think that there's no place for civilian ownership of semi-automatic weapons. Period.

Hunting weapons are not designed for mass murder. In my opinion such weapons are not the discussion. it's the automatics or those with large clips. What on earth do you need these for in your homes?

For those of you who don't like the idea that "guns kill people" I would suggest that it's exactly the case. Yes, people use the guns to kill people, but if someone has a semi-automatic weapon vs. a single-shot weapon or non-automatic, you tell me how that person is not better able to commit mass crimes. Don't you, in your private gun-clutching hearts believe that someone with an automatic is able to kill more people in less time simply BECAUSE THEY CAN? Don't you also believe that if those weapons were not available, the number of victims would be lower? MUCH lower?

It's a complete embarrassment that this country has 100's of millions of guns floating around in the population. It will take years to reverse this, but I completely agree with the OP that at least for some weapons, his suggestion is worth considering.
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It is not the NRA's interpretation, it is the SCOTUS and many historical interpretive writings.

Notice how the anti-gun establishment is using the term, "semi-automatic weapons instead of assault rifles.

What the hell is the definition of "hunting weapons" and what do hunting weapons have to do with the Second Amendment?

So to you, non Mass murder is somehow more acceptable than "mass murder"?

The term is magazine not "clip"!

The need is for whatever legal activity I deem necessary.

You present a very disturbing idea that it is somehow socially acceptable to shoot five people in 30 seconds with a bolt action "hunting rifle" as opposed to 20 people in 10 seconds with a "semi-automatic weapon" with a 20 or 30 round magazine (not a clip). Of course we all know that anti-gunners such as yourself want to ban and confiscate all weapons.

Oh and BTW, it appears at this time that this deranged person used two handguns, not a rifle. But then, gun banners such as yourself were never known to get your facts straight before engaging in a intelligent conversation about firearms and the Second Amendment. PERIOD!
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