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Were there any actual witnesses that saw Lanzo shoot the victims? If not, it's a made up story to take your guns

 
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Were there any actual witnesses that saw Lanzo shoot the victims? If not, it's a made up story to take your guns
If you were going to plan a false flag why wouldn't you pick an autistic kid. kill his mother and others, than go to the school and shoot up the place. kill the kid and leave him there. i'm searching around and I don't see any mention of first hand accounts of someone actually seeing the shooter. and if so, i question their authenticity.


i smell a TPTB op, shock value, kill a bunch of children, that's the only way they'll accept gun legislation.


sad really, they may get away with it because the people truly are sheep. the only thing they'll accomplish is taking guns away from law abiding citizens.
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yeah, there were quite a few people, including little kids who are still seeing his face in their nightmares. I'm open to conspiracy theories, but saying Lanzo might not have done it... STUPID.
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Re: Were there any actual witnesses that saw Lanzo shoot the victims? If not, it's a made up story to take your guns
yeah, there were quite a few people, including little kids who are still seeing his face in their nightmares. I'm open to conspiracy theories, but saying Lanzo might not have done it... STUPID.
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maybe he was there with a 'gun' in his hand before they iced him. but give me some links to the first hand accounts. ???
i'd love to read them
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Re: Were there any actual witnesses that saw Lanzo shoot the victims? If not, it's a made up story to take your guns
For example.

I google, "Connecticut shooting witnesses"


This is the first article that comes up

[link to www.thedenverchannel.com]

Witness Accounts of the Newtown School Shooting at Sandy Hook Elementary



Yet here is the article. Notice not one mention of a witness or an account of what happened, though the subject of the article is about witness accounts.


Walker Caron said she believes authorities are "doing the best they can."

Many parents walked down street holding hands with their children.

“I heard what happened on the news, and I just headed here to get my son,” said a mother, Maria Nascimento.

Audra Barth, another mother who has two children at Sandy Hook Elementary, said “the parents were given no information. I was just at home going crazy. I didn’t even know which school it was. I found out from media.”

Luie Munguia, 8, a third-grader at the school, said, “I heard gunshots; I was under a desk with three or four other people.” He said police then came in. Luie said he did not see anyone who got hurt.

He was walking with his mom, Lindsay Sweeney, and grandmother, Kathy Sweeney

“It is surreal, like something out of a movie. I heard a child didn’t make it. I’m just praying for everyone,” Lindsay Sweeney said.

Richard Wilford, 36, of Sandy Hook, said he and his wife were home when they got the call that there was a shooting at their son’s school.

Their son, Richie, 7, said the gunshots sounded like “really loud pots were banging.”

“It’s the most terrible moment of a parent’s life — you have no idea,” Richard Wilford said.
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Re: Were there any actual witnesses that saw Lanzo shoot the victims? If not, it's a made up story to take your guns
yeah, there were quite a few people, including little kids who are still seeing his face in their nightmares. I'm open to conspiracy theories, but saying Lanzo might not have done it... STUPID.
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Bullshit, if he did it, he killed every kid he got near, you dumbass, isolated in a couple classrooms.
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Re: Were there any actual witnesses that saw Lanzo shoot the victims? If not, it's a made up story to take your guns
Not one actual eyewitness of the shooter(s)!

[link to www.bbc.co.uk]

Here are some accounts from witnesses:
Mother and son

Son: I saw some of the bullets going past the hall that I was right next to and then a teacher pulled me into her classroom.

Mother: I'm just so grateful to the teacher who saved him.

Reporter: You think the teacher saved his life?

Mother: She definitely did. He had bullets going by him and she grabbed him and another child and pulled him into a classroom.
Colleen Durkin

I work down the street from the school in a local toy store. I've seen 40-50 state police turn up at the school. The FBI are also present. The police requested as many ambulances as possible.

It's now a non-active scene but I hear that, as the police work their way through the school, they are finding further bodies. I've left work now and am returning home.
Richard Wilford

You get an alert that more or less schools are locked down, there's been a shooting.

I didn't know what that meant. I called the police department, they did tell me that the shooting was at Sandy Hook. That's when my wife and I rushed down and came to the school.

There's no words that I could come up with that would even come close to describing the sheer terror of hearing that your son is in a place or your child is in a place where there's been violence.

You don't know the details of that violence, you don't know the condition of your child and you can't do anything to immediately help them or protect them. It is a powerless and terrifying experience.

[My son] heard loud noises. He described it as... the sound of, like, pans falling. His teacher went and checked. She closed and locked the door. They went into a corner until they were recovered by the police.
Unidentified mother

A friend of mine said that a masked man came in and just started shooting. I don't know how he came in because every time you go in you have to ring a bell and they can see you from the office and they know who you are and they let you in.

So I don't know if it's somebody they knew.
Her child

When we were gone during morning meeting we heard shots and everybody went on the ground and Miss Martin closed the door and we went to the corner.
Christian Witschy

I'm a teacher in a nearby town. This is shocking and terrifying. We always think this can't happen near us - we aren't in Colorado or Texas - but it's proof that we have a scary world right now.

My boss's wife is a teacher at Sandy Hook. She is safe, thank God.

No-one knows exactly what has happened - we are so shocked.

I'm still at school now, the children have gone home but I teach kids of the same age as those at Sandy Hook.

We had to calm the kids down at our school when we heard about the shooting. The kids are leaving now. They knew about it, especially the older ones.
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Re: Were there any actual witnesses that saw Lanzo shoot the victims? If not, it's a made up story to take your guns
The title contains "Witnesses Recall Horror", not "Witnesses Recall Shooter", so I can't say this particular story doesn't match the title.

On the other hand, I'm still waiting for a witness who saw the shooter.
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Re: Were there any actual witnesses that saw Lanzo shoot the victims? If not, it's a made up story to take your guns
Not one actual eyewitness of the shooter(s)!

[link to www.bbc.co.uk]

Here are some accounts from witnesses:
Mother and son

Son: I saw some of the bullets going past the hall that I was right next to and then a teacher pulled me into her classroom.

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Must of been some slow ass bullets if he saw them!!!!!
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Re: Were there any actual witnesses that saw Lanzo shoot the victims? If not, it's a made up story to take your guns
Not one actual eyewitness of the shooter(s)!

[link to www.bbc.co.uk]

Here are some accounts from witnesses:
Mother and son

Son: I saw some of the bullets going past the hall that I was right next to and then a teacher pulled me into her classroom.

Mother: I'm just so grateful to the teacher who saved him.

Reporter: You think the teacher saved his life?

Mother: She definitely did. He had bullets going by him and she grabbed him and another child and pulled him into a classroom.
Colleen Durkin

I work down the street from the school in a local toy store. I've seen 40-50 state police turn up at the school. The FBI are also present. The police requested as many ambulances as possible.

It's now a non-active scene but I hear that, as the police work their way through the school, they are finding further bodies. I've left work now and am returning home.
Richard Wilford

You get an alert that more or less schools are locked down, there's been a shooting.

I didn't know what that meant. I called the police department, they did tell me that the shooting was at Sandy Hook. That's when my wife and I rushed down and came to the school.

There's no words that I could come up with that would even come close to describing the sheer terror of hearing that your son is in a place or your child is in a place where there's been violence.

You don't know the details of that violence, you don't know the condition of your child and you can't do anything to immediately help them or protect them. It is a powerless and terrifying experience.

[My son] heard loud noises. He described it as... the sound of, like, pans falling. His teacher went and checked. She closed and locked the door. They went into a corner until they were recovered by the police.
Unidentified mother

A friend of mine said that a masked man came in and just started shooting. I don't know how he came in because every time you go in you have to ring a bell and they can see you from the office and they know who you are and they let you in.

So I don't know if it's somebody they knew.
Her child

When we were gone during morning meeting we heard shots and everybody went on the ground and Miss Martin closed the door and we went to the corner.
Christian Witschy

I'm a teacher in a nearby town. This is shocking and terrifying. We always think this can't happen near us - we aren't in Colorado or Texas - but it's proof that we have a scary world right now.

My boss's wife is a teacher at Sandy Hook. She is safe, thank God.

No-one knows exactly what has happened - we are so shocked.

I'm still at school now, the children have gone home but I teach kids of the same age as those at Sandy Hook.

We had to calm the kids down at our school when we heard about the shooting. The kids are leaving now. They knew about it, especially the older ones.
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Hmm. Nothing except "a masked man" that's the only direct reference in all that and because it's a mask, it's not identified. So.

I reckon it's black ops.
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Re: Were there any actual witnesses that saw Lanzo shoot the victims? If not, it's a made up story to take your guns
excellent question(s) OP

Given the history of Government false flags and the MSM lying on nearly every major event of significance (eg, 9/11, JFK assassination, Oklahoma City bombing, Waco, Iraq WMDs, Columbine, etc), we should initially assume that this event is a false flag government black operation.

The burden of proof is on the governemnt and media to prove their story.

Why would any sane person just blindly accept their story of "Tt was lone nut Lanzo. Case closed!"

Might as well also accept...

9/11: "It was muslim terrorists. Cased closed."
JFK assassination: "It was lone nut Oswald. Case closed."
OKC bombing: "It was lone nut McVeigh. Cased closed."
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excellent question(s) OP

Given the history of Government false flags and the MSM lying on nearly every major event of significance (eg, 9/11, JFK assassination, Oklahoma City bombing, Waco, Iraq WMDs, Columbine, etc), we should initially assume that this event is a false flag government black operation.

The burden of proof is on the governemnt and media to prove their story.

Why would any sane person just blindly accept their story of "Tt was lone nut Lanzo. Case closed!"

Might as well also accept...

9/11: "It was muslim terrorists. Cased closed."
JFK assassination: "It was lone nut Oswald. Case closed."
OKC bombing: "It was lone nut McVeigh. Cased closed."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20078449


^^Exactly THIS^^

great insight OP. SUGGEST PIN because no one has brought this up and the OP is correct, we are just 'accepting' this story, why?
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Re: Were there any actual witnesses that saw Lanzo shoot the victims? If not, it's a made up story to take your guns
If you were going to plan a false flag why wouldn't you pick an autistic kid. kill his mother and others, than go to the school and shoot up the place. kill the kid and leave him there. i'm searching around and I don't see any mention of first hand accounts of someone actually seeing the shooter. and if so, i question their authenticity.


i smell a TPTB op, shock value, kill a bunch of children, that's the only way they'll accept gun legislation.


sad really, they may get away with it because the people truly are sheep. the only thing they'll accomplish is taking guns away from law abiding citizens.
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Does anyone else find it strange that happened at Sandy Hook, 1 month after hurricane Sandy?
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If you were going to plan a false flag why wouldn't you pick an autistic kid. kill his mother and others, than go to the school and shoot up the place. kill the kid and leave him there. i'm searching around and I don't see any mention of first hand accounts of someone actually seeing the shooter. and if so, i question their authenticity.


i smell a TPTB op, shock value, kill a bunch of children, that's the only way they'll accept gun legislation.


sad really, they may get away with it because the people truly are sheep. the only thing they'll accomplish is taking guns away from law abiding citizens.
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Does anyone else find it strange that happened at Sandy Hook, 1 month after hurricane Sandy?
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It's TPTB messing with your head. It's their way of letting you know they can do whatever they want and there isn't a damn thing you can do about it.
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There were reports of a woman--a teacher or someone who worked in the admin office---that had been shot in her foot and was taken to the hospital. Presumably she is a witness?

Didn't see her name or any followup on her.

Now, if she has 'disappeared' that would really be strange.

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There was a report of a woman--a teacher or someone who worked in the admin office---that had been shot in her foot and was taken to the hospital. Presumably she is a witness?

Didn't see her name or any followup on her.
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but notice you didn't see any follow up. i'm sure if anyone saw anything, they were taken out by the hit squad
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There was a report of a woman--a teacher or someone who worked in the admin office---that had been shot in her foot and was taken to the hospital. Presumably she is a witness?

Didn't see her name or any followup on her.
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but notice you didn't see any follow up. i'm sure if anyone saw anything, they were taken out by the hit squad
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Assuming she was a real person, I'd think her friends and relatives would be raising questions.
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Found this reference to the unnamed woman. Dated Dec 15.


A surviving shooting victim, a woman who was shot in the foot, is going to be "very instrumental in this investigation," he said.

Lt. Vance said he is not putting a time limit on the investigation but estimated it could be concluded within two days.

Read more: [link to www.post-gazette.com]

And this, dated Dec 16

Lieutenant Paul Vance said one woman who survived the massacre, who is still being treated, would be crucial to understanding what had happened.

"She is doing fine, she is being treated and she will be instrumental in this investigation, as you can understand," he said.

[link to www.news.com.au]

Wonder what is happening to her right now?

Last Edited by Ralph--a house dog on 12/17/2012 11:24 AM
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Found this reference to the unnamed woman. Dated Dec 15.


A surviving shooting victim, a woman who was shot in the foot, is going to be "very instrumental in this investigation," he said.

Lt. Vance said he is not putting a time limit on the investigation but estimated it could be concluded within two days.

Read more: [link to www.post-gazette.com]

And this, dated Dec 16

Lieutenant Paul Vance said one woman who survived the massacre, who is still being treated, would be crucial to understanding what had happened.

"She is doing fine, she is being treated and she will be instrumental in this investigation, as you can understand," he said.

[link to www.news.com.au]

Wonder what is happening to her right now?
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


interesting. i wonder who this woman really is. of course they need at least one person to say they say lanza do it. if she saw more they are probably wondering how they will fix this mistake. i'm sure they wanted to kill anyone who saw the kill team so they couldn't report it as a false flag. this one got away. they are probably drugging her out of her mind and messing with her memories.
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Re: Were there any actual witnesses that saw Lanzo shoot the victims? If not, it's a made up story to take your guns
If you were going to plan a false flag why wouldn't you pick an autistic kid. kill his mother and others, than go to the school and shoot up the place. kill the kid and leave him there. i'm searching around and I don't see any mention of first hand accounts of someone actually seeing the shooter. and if so, i question their authenticity.


i smell a TPTB op, shock value, kill a bunch of children, that's the only way they'll accept gun legislation.


sad really, they may get away with it because the people truly are sheep. the only thing they'll accomplish is taking guns away from law abiding citizens.
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What you describe is the easiest way for TPTB to pull off this false flag.

There were 2 other shooters, or possibly only 2 shooters while Adam was suicided on the scene.

TPTB won't get your guns on this round of horror. They will only limit ammo purchases and clip capacity.

Boiling the frog to death takes time.
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Found this reference to the unnamed woman. Dated Dec 15.


A surviving shooting victim, a woman who was shot in the foot, is going to be "very instrumental in this investigation," he said.

Lt. Vance said he is not putting a time limit on the investigation but estimated it could be concluded within two days.

Read more: [link to www.post-gazette.com]

And this, dated Dec 16

Lieutenant Paul Vance said one woman who survived the massacre, who is still being treated, would be crucial to understanding what had happened.

"She is doing fine, she is being treated and she will be instrumental in this investigation, as you can understand," he said.

[link to www.news.com.au]

Wonder what is happening to her right now?
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


This will be the ringer witness to support the official story line. She will implicate Adam as the shooter. You watch.
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excellent question(s) OP

Given the history of Government false flags and the MSM lying on nearly every major event of significance (eg, 9/11, JFK assassination, Oklahoma City bombing, Waco, Iraq WMDs, Columbine, etc), we should initially assume that this event is a false flag government black operation.

The burden of proof is on the governemnt and media to prove their story.

Why would any sane person just blindly accept their story of "Tt was lone nut Lanzo. Case closed!"

Might as well also accept...

9/11: "It was muslim terrorists. Cased closed."
JFK assassination: "It was lone nut Oswald. Case closed."
OKC bombing: "It was lone nut McVeigh. Cased closed."
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Government does not have to prove anything.

The majority of people are sheep and will believe CNN.

Only 5% are critical thinkers who question the official story. However we are demonized by the status quo.

Try leaving comments on Yahoo news and see how many stupid sheep are out there.
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yeah, there were quite a few people, including little kids who are still seeing his face in their nightmares. I'm open to conspiracy theories, but saying Lanzo might not have done it... STUPID.
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You have been given ZERO proof that Lanza was the shooter. You only take the word of the police and CNN.

It is sheep like you who are STUPID and the reason TPTB get away with these heinous crimes.

If you questioned TPTB then maybe we can stop them from doing it again.
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This will be the ringer witness to support the official story line. She will implicate Adam as the shooter. You watch.
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For sure.
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she is rehearsing her lines now
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she is rehearsing her lines now
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this^^
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suggest pin. the lack of actual witnesses, basically none so far, is very disturbing.
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so we're to believe he shot all these innocent kids at point blank range several times each but he shoots one adult woman in the foot once and lets her scurry off to safety?????

judge judy says if it doesn't make sense, it probably isn't true.
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so we're to believe he shot all these innocent kids at point blank range several times each but he shoots one adult woman in the foot once and lets her scurry off to safety?????

judge judy says if it doesn't make sense, it probably isn't true.
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^THIS^^ how is this thread no pinned?

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