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The logical fallacy of pro gun arguments

 
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Nukes are designed to Destroy everything.
A gun Was designed for one on one combat(multiple on one with some guns).
The reason Nukes are Bad is because of Mutually Assured Destruction which means everyone loses.

Lead comes from the ground.
Nukes do damage that that breaks down elements on a nuclear level it literally wipes everything off the face of the earth.

No matter how you try to make this sound your argument is just stupid.
 Quoting: Farfignuten


Even if you don't use nukes you can use another analogy like rpg's hey why don't everyone carry an rpg for defense are rpg's don't kill people people do.You see how stupid your argument really is.All you need for defense is your fist.
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So the elderly, people with some kind of health problem, women, etc. are supposed to use their fists against a gang of savages who attacks them with intent to mug, rape, beat, or steal from them?

The major problem that all liberals have is this:

You want to take all accountability and responsibility away from the individual and give it to the government.

As much as you foreigners would love to see the destruction of this country, it's simply not gonna happen the way you want it to.
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A robber walks into a nursing home with no gun ,an elderly person points a gun at the thief to stop him the thief overpowers her takes her gun and shoots everyone in the nursing home. Ban guns,save lives
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Ban Lazy Security Guards Save Lives.
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Even if you don't use nukes you can use another analogy like rpg's hey why don't everyone carry an rpg for defense are rpg's don't kill people people do.You see how stupid your argument really is.All you need for defense is your fist.
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So the elderly, people with some kind of health problem, women, etc. are supposed to use their fists against a gang of savages who attacks them with intent to mug, rape, beat, or steal from them?

The major problem that all liberals have is this:

You want to take all accountability and responsibility away from the individual and give it to the government.

As much as you foreigners would love to see the destruction of this country, it's simply not gonna happen the way you want it to.
 Quoting: Nemamiah



A robber walks into a nursing home with no gun ,an elderly person points a gun at the thief to stop him the thief overpowers her takes her gun and shoots everyone in the nursing home. Ban guns,save lives
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Ban Lazy Security Guards Save Lives.
 Quoting: Farfignuten


My argument against guns is air tight and US citizens should be petitioning to ban guns
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People who are pro gun are anti children
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What utter shite, do you really believe what you have just said, what a fucking arse wipe.

I said the dya Obarmy got in he would be going for the guns, i cant believe he's already tried politicising this
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Perhaps they should keep count of people that had their life saved by having a gun. You can start with me,that's one.
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your gun saved your life?


HERE'S ONE!

ive been looking for examples like you


so, thats ONE, versus... how many dead?
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So the elderly, people with some kind of health problem, women, etc. are supposed to use their fists against a gang of savages who attacks them with intent to mug, rape, beat, or steal from them?

The major problem that all liberals have is this:

You want to take all accountability and responsibility away from the individual and give it to the government.

As much as you foreigners would love to see the destruction of this country, it's simply not gonna happen the way you want it to.
 Quoting: Nemamiah



A robber walks into a nursing home with no gun ,an elderly person points a gun at the thief to stop him the thief overpowers her takes her gun and shoots everyone in the nursing home. Ban guns,save lives
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29503737


Ban Lazy Security Guards Save Lives.
 Quoting: Farfignuten


My argument against guns is air tight and US citizens should be petitioning to ban guns
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29503737


Your argument against guns is fucking stupid and is more full of holes than half of the theories and arguments on here.
Here's a little history lesson Alcohol was banned in the US what happened the Italian Mafia started illegally importing alcohol. Crime rates skyrocketed. People continued to drink even those in the White House.
Harry J. Anslinger outlawed Marijuana 60 years ago. I have a joint in my ash tray right now. You haven't even attempted to think about any other possibilities other than You wont be able to Legally buy Fire arms in the US. Like I said before 90% of gun related fatalities are by stolen and illegally acquired weapons.
You are like a kid trying to force a round peg in a square hole and say you accomplished something.
By the way, how old are you?
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Perhaps they should keep count of people that had their life saved by having a gun. You can start with me,that's one.
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your gun saved your life?


HERE'S ONE!

ive been looking for examples like you


so, thats ONE, versus... how many dead?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27667491


Good point
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I'm all for having only the police and military having guns. The current governments we have in the western world could never ever become destructive or violent against the people they rule. Only government should be armed it worked so well in Germany, China, and Russia. The silly proles are to uncivilized to be allowed to own firearms, the government will tell them what freedoms they are allowed.
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Nuke the Bahamas...
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gun owners - is your life REALLY, GENUINELY threatened 24/7?

if so, how DO you live in such a shit country, with mortal danger at every turn?

if not, then you just love your gun. admit it


and you know what, i loathe obama. AND i am a libertarian. yes, i am. and i dont even think that a gun ban WOULD solve americas hideous gun homicide rate

coz at the end of the day, gun lovers just like their guns. its the wild west, where a man aint a man unless he 'carry conceals' - even the terminology is laughable

gun people - you aint doing yourselves any favours by being obtuse

the sheer number of guns, the relatively easy availability, the lack of checks. it all adds up

and some of you even think that EVERYONE should carry a gun. yeah, thatll improve things
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Re: The logical fallacy of pro gun arguments
gun owners - is your life REALLY, GENUINELY threatened 24/7?

if so, how DO you live in such a shit country, with mortal danger at every turn?

if not, then you just love your gun. admit it


and you know what, i loathe obama. AND i am a libertarian. yes, i am. and i dont even think that a gun ban WOULD solve americas hideous gun homicide rate

coz at the end of the day, gun lovers just like their guns. its the wild west, where a man aint a man unless he 'carry conceals' - even the terminology is laughable

gun people - you aint doing yourselves any favours by being obtuse

the sheer number of guns, the relatively easy availability, the lack of checks. it all adds up

and some of you even think that EVERYONE should carry a gun. yeah, thatll improve things
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27667491


OK think of a Gun as a condom. Ever needed one and not have one it fucks your day all up.

Please for the love of God Watch the Y2K episode of Family Guy it is the easiest way to explain this. Please do this and stop with everyone throwing in their two cents.
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I'm all for having only the police and military having guns. The current governments we have in the western world could never ever become destructive or violent against the people they rule. Only government should be armed it worked so well in Germany, China, and Russia. The silly proles are to uncivilized to be allowed to own firearms, the government will tell them what freedoms they are allowed.
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classic example of gun-lover being deliberately obtuse/disingenuous/doing his cause no favours
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Re: The logical fallacy of pro gun arguments
gun owners - is your life REALLY, GENUINELY threatened 24/7?

if so, how DO you live in such a shit country, with mortal danger at every turn?

if not, then you just love your gun. admit it


and you know what, i loathe obama. AND i am a libertarian. yes, i am. and i dont even think that a gun ban WOULD solve americas hideous gun homicide rate

coz at the end of the day, gun lovers just like their guns. its the wild west, where a man aint a man unless he 'carry conceals' - even the terminology is laughable

gun people - you aint doing yourselves any favours by being obtuse

the sheer number of guns, the relatively easy availability, the lack of checks. it all adds up

and some of you even think that EVERYONE should carry a gun. yeah, thatll improve things
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27667491


OK think of a Gun as a condom. Ever needed one and not have one it fucks your day all up.

Please for the love of God Watch the Y2K episode of Family Guy it is the easiest way to explain this. Please do this and stop with everyone throwing in their two cents.
 Quoting: Farfignuten


seriously, i have never felt the need to arm myself. people in this country dont. gun ownership is like nuclear proliferation - even if no one presses THE BUTTON, fallout and accidents occur
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I'm all for having only the police and military having guns. The current governments we have in the western world could never ever become destructive or violent against the people they rule. Only government should be armed it worked so well in Germany, China, and Russia. The silly proles are to uncivilized to be allowed to own firearms, the government will tell them what freedoms they are allowed.
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classic example of gun-lover being deliberately obtuse/disingenuous/doing his cause no favours
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27667491


No that is the perfect example of taking steps to eliminate Risk. You people forget that Our nation was created through a War. From birth We as American Men are told that We must do what We must to protect our Land, our Liberty, and our Freedom. The only sensible argument for banning guns would be if the entire world decided to say fuck it and get rid of their guns. Then there would be no reason for guns but until then I would personally rather not expect my Government to protect me. Have you ever watched Red Dawn? That's why banning guns is the stupidest thing ever uttered apart from hey lets ban Alcohol.

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There are no responsible gun owners or any rational person that would agree with your statement, quite the opposite. What it does show me is that you like the CT shooter and all other mass shooters have extreme views and some severe discrepancies in your thinking and you like the CT shooter are the extreme types that us, the rational, must protect ourselves against.
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Equating firearms to nukes?

FOund you logical fallacy.
Overstand, this isn't a sermon from the hill, but a 'Trespassers Will Be Shot' Sign.
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Even if you don't use nukes you can use another analogy like rpg's hey why don't everyone carry an rpg for defense are rpg's don't kill people people do.You see how stupid your argument really is.All you need for defense is your fist.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29503737


So the elderly, people with some kind of health problem, women, etc. are supposed to use their fists against a gang of savages who attacks them with intent to mug, rape, beat, or steal from them?

The major problem that all liberals have is this:

You want to take all accountability and responsibility away from the individual and give it to the government.

As much as you foreigners would love to see the destruction of this country, it's simply not gonna happen the way you want it to.
 Quoting: Nemamiah



A robber walks into a nursing home with no gun ,an elderly person points a gun at the thief to stop him the thief overpowers her takes her gun and shoots everyone in the nursing home. Ban guns,save lives
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29503737

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29503737


why do you troll here?

none care what people think here, so it's kinda stupid.

go to a real mainstream website and troll, at least there
you mite have people who would care.

really.
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Small nuclear devices don't kill people.
People kill people.
Therefor everyone should be able to carry around a suitcase nuke for defense

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Or at least every nation should be free to have one, like Iran, right? They will argue against that.. I've told them how they contradict themselves on this before.
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gun owners - is your life REALLY, GENUINELY threatened 24/7?

if so, how DO you live in such a shit country, with mortal danger at every turn?

if not, then you just love your gun. admit it


and you know what, i loathe obama. AND i am a libertarian. yes, i am. and i dont even think that a gun ban WOULD solve americas hideous gun homicide rate

coz at the end of the day, gun lovers just like their guns. its the wild west, where a man aint a man unless he 'carry conceals' - even the terminology is laughable

gun people - you aint doing yourselves any favours by being obtuse

the sheer number of guns, the relatively easy availability, the lack of checks. it all adds up

and some of you even think that EVERYONE should carry a gun. yeah, thatll improve things
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27667491


OK think of a Gun as a condom. Ever needed one and not have one it fucks your day all up.

Please for the love of God Watch the Y2K episode of Family Guy it is the easiest way to explain this. Please do this and stop with everyone throwing in their two cents.
 Quoting: Farfignuten


seriously, i have never felt the need to arm myself. people in this country dont. gun ownership is like nuclear proliferation - even if no one presses THE BUTTON, fallout and accidents occur
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27667491


Which is exactly why Banning Guns is insane. All it would do is take weapons away from honest people. What would happen if North Korea, Russia, and idk China all said fuck the US lets rape them. It would be up to everyone to defend their homes and families not just police and military. The reason we hold guns is because of the thought that one day the fight will come to our doorstep. Everything else is blurred by the fact that yes there are tragedies every day. But Guns or not there will still be tragedies. Anyone in Canada can buy guns without problem yet there are so few murders its laughable. The US's problem isn't Gun control its People. We have people that just flip shit and go into work and kill people that's where the term going postal came from.
The US is Fucked up because the majority of US citizens are certifiably insane ask anyone who has ever been in an American Highschool. People are fucking nuts here. If you took away guns People would kill others with knives. The only thing that would happen is isolated incidents like this one.
The reason shit happened like it did is because everyone dropped the ball the dude's Mom never got him help, his friends never talked to him about it, hell the dude was let in the school when he was clearly armed to the teeth.
Blaming Guns on this is like blaming England for causing Germany to be so poor that they started another war.
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I'm all for having only the police and military having guns. The current governments we have in the western world could never ever become destructive or violent against the people they rule. Only government should be armed it worked so well in Germany, China, and Russia. The silly proles are to uncivilized to be allowed to own firearms, the government will tell them what freedoms they are allowed.
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Ha ha, phew for a minute there i thought you were serious
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Attempting to use reason with a libtard is an exercise in futility. They act on primitive, emotion-based urges and desires, not as a result of deliberative intellectual reasoning. You'd have better luck winning an argument with a 3 year old about why they can't have candy before dinner.

baby + crazyjak = tard
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1. There are no responsible gun owners or any rational person that would agree with your statement, quite the opposite. What it does show me is that you like the 2. CT shooter and all other mass shooters have extreme views and some severe discrepancies in your thinking and you like the CT shooter are the extreme types that us, the rational, must protect ourselves against.
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1. No Responsible gun Owners? What about People who keep their guns locked in safes?

2. How did anything I say make you think that. So I could say that someone is a Nazi and an Anti-Semite because they are proud of their German Heritage.
Or Someone is a Racist because they would rather not live in a place with a high crime area.

How will Banning guns keep guns out of the hands of criminals? Really?
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There was a post at 6:14 AM mentioning a Harvard Law study on this subject and my first reaction was to think the liberals there will conclude guns should be banned.

But a quick look at that study shows their conclusion:

"This Article has reviewed a significant amount of evidence
from a wide variety of international sources. Each individual portion of evidence is subject to cavil — at the very least the general objection that the persuasiveness of social scientific evidence cannot remotely approach the persuasiveness of conclusions in the physical sciences. Nevertheless, the burden of proof rests on the proponents of the more guns equal more death and fewer guns equal less death mantra, especially since they argue public policy ought to be based on that mantra. To bear that burden would at the very least require showing that a large number of nations with more guns have more death and that nations that have imposed stringent gun controls have achieved substantial reductions in criminal violence (or suicide). But those correlations are not observed when a large number of nations are compared across the world.

Enough said. Even Harvard doesn't suggest banning guns.

I'm sure others have said it already, but if you make guns illegal only criminals will have them. And even before guns existed, there was violence and murder.

If the media would stop glorifying and publicizing high body counts less suicidal maniacs would aim to achieve them and would perhaps merely end their own tragic lives more quietly.
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Attempting to use reason with a libtard is an exercise in futility. They act on primitive, emotion-based urges and desires, not as a result of deliberative intellectual reasoning. You'd have better luck winning an argument with a 3 year old about why they can't have candy before dinner.

baby + crazyjak = tard
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It has nothing to do with someone being a Liberal or a conservative, my issue with these people is that sticking your head in the sand won't solve any problems.
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@ Op.,
i like your Analogy!

Obrigado
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Another stupid thread
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2007/2008 772 Murders in UK.
2008 42 deaths by Firearms in UK.
Clearly banning guns saves lives

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bravo OP!
bump


perhaps it was learned from your cowboy history - and you still continue to give them strenght to this day (yes you individually)

we all know you like movies with heroes, full of love
and shooting, and this is precisely the cause

you will never admit (and really understand) your inclination to it

hf

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1. There are no responsible gun owners or any rational person that would agree with your statement, quite the opposite. What it does show me is that you like the 2. CT shooter and all other mass shooters have extreme views and some severe discrepancies in your thinking and you like the CT shooter are the extreme types that us, the rational, must protect ourselves against.
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1. No Responsible gun Owners? What about People who keep their guns locked in safes?

2. How did anything I say make you think that. So I could say that someone is a Nazi and an Anti-Semite because they are proud of their German Heritage.
Or Someone is a Racist because they would rather not live in a place with a high crime area.

How will Banning guns keep guns out of the hands of criminals? Really?
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Having trouble comprehending my post? Try reading it again SLOWLY.
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Kinda hard to go hunting with a nuke.
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Small nuclear devices don't kill people.
People kill people.
Therefor everyone should be able to carry around a suitcase nuke for defense

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Fuck off, maggot.

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