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The logical fallacy of pro gun arguments

 
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I can do that to the anti gun arguments too

doctors kill 120000 people per year due to malpractice vs the 1500 people who die per year due to gun violence. by this logic we should ban doctors. While we are at it ban cars and alchohol. Those two things combined cause more deaths than you could imagine.
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Re: The logical fallacy of pro gun arguments
The only thing that is going to do any good is for people to change.

We are far too primitive right now to give up weapons. We have lunatics on the news every minute. We've got people who have an immense fascination with an object designed to take life. People collect them and worship them..clean them...gaze at them while drinking their beer.


Giving guns up is not the answer right now. Both sides (Criminals) and (Vigilantes) is the reason. Until there isn't two sides...and until we hit absolute rock bottom...we will continually become more and more violent as that's currently our path.

There has to be a currently-unimaginable amount of change in humanity to take place before anything like this happens. Possibly several hundred if not even a thousand years yet to go...
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This is not about humanity. This is about a very specific set of beliefs in the USA. Humanity doesn't suffer from paranoia in the way we do in the US.

The fact there are millions of guns already out there is a real problem, but guess what, that's a result of the gun lobby coupled with very carefully crafted marketing and political lobbying to "educate" people about why they need to protect themselves.

Yes it will take time to fix, but we have GOT to do something. There's a huge gap between what we have now and responsible gun control.
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The op is a liberal shill, you can't fix stupid. And by the way , the Americans 2nd amendment is to enable US citizens to overthrow a tyrannical government, it has nothing to do with hunting or sport. Read a friggin history book moron!
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Re: The logical fallacy of pro gun arguments
Small nuclear devices don't kill people.
People kill people.
Therefor everyone should be able to carry around a suitcase nuke for defense

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If everyone turns in their guns no one will have guns. or how about "gun free zones' DOUCHE BAG!
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gun control befo
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Gun Free Zone Eq
Background of my avatar: [link to bibelen.spam]

The religion of submission cannot survive an open and honest discussion of its convoluted and foolish scriptures, its sexually perverted terrorist prophet, or its deceitful and demented god. When Western leaders become unified and resolute in their hostility to Islam's violent and ungodly beginnings, Muslims will flee the religion because they will be horrified by its endorsement of terrorism, mass murder, slave trading, plunder, kidnapping, and rape.

If Muslims & their apologists really want to cure "Islamophobia," here is an easy way. Focus their indignation on Muslims committing violent acts in the name of Islam, not on non-Muslims reporting on those acts.

[link to www.faithfreedom.org]
[link to thereligionofpeace.com]
[link to prophetofdoom.net]
[link to www.bibleprobe.com]
[link to www.fatherzakaria.net]

Ecclesiastes 10:2 “The heart of the wise inclines to the right, but the heart of the fool to the left.”

We are all born ignorant, but it takes a lot of work to keep looking the other way to remain stupid.

Islam is not a race - the racism rant is lame, used by the intellectually lazy to derail the debate.
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All I want for Christmas is Trin to ban the OP......

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Re: The logical fallacy of pro gun arguments
Small nuclear devices don't kill people.
People kill people.
Therefor everyone should be able to carry around a suitcase nuke for defense

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29503737


To me, your statement is a logical fallacy. The reason guns are used for defense is because they can be directed at a person. With a suitcase nuke, you are endangering the lives of not only yourself, but others as well. There is not much "defense" in suitcase nukes if used as personal defense. You will kill yourself. What a dumb analogy to use OP. Fail.
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Re: The logical fallacy of pro gun arguments
Small nuclear devices don't kill people.
People kill people.
Therefor everyone should be able to carry around a suitcase nuke for defense

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agreed
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:gun control befo:
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Re: The logical fallacy of pro gun arguments
in 2009 there were 42 gun-related deaths in Great Britain. This number includes homicides, suicides and accidental deaths.

In 2005 (the latest year for which numbers are available) there were 30,364 gun-related deaths in the United States. This number includes homicides, suicides, and accidental deaths.

True, the United States has more people than Great Britain so you can’t really compare these two numbers. Britain has about 61 million, while the United States has about 296 million, which gives the U.S. about five times the population of Great Britain. So, a better comparison of the numbers would be to multiple the British gun deaths by five.

42 x 5 = 210

Now we can compare the numbers.

Gun-related deaths for Great Britain (if given a population equal to the United States) = 210

Gun-related deaths in the United States = 30,364.

210 vs. 30,364
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Add to that the uk has over 2 million legally held guns. Scotland has 1 gun per 24 people, but hardly any gun deaths, because people are vetted better, need a reason to own, must prove it will be kept securely, and we're only allowed weapons that would be extrenely difficult to use to kill en masse.
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12/17/2012 10:09 AM

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Re: The logical fallacy of pro gun arguments
gun owners - is your life REALLY, GENUINELY threatened 24/7?

if so, how DO you live in such a shit country, with mortal danger at every turn?

if not, then you just love your gun. admit it


and you know what, i loathe obama. AND i am a libertarian. yes, i am. and i dont even think that a gun ban WOULD solve americas hideous gun homicide rate

coz at the end of the day, gun lovers just like their guns. its the wild west, where a man aint a man unless he 'carry conceals' - even the terminology is laughable

gun people - you aint doing yourselves any favours by being obtuse

the sheer number of guns, the relatively easy availability, the lack of checks. it all adds up

and some of you even think that EVERYONE should carry a gun. yeah, thatll improve things
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Then I want to know why all the Brits pay their good money to Holiday in the USA? If we are so terrible!!!
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Re: The logical fallacy of pro gun arguments
of that 30,364 number how many were inner city N!&&@rs or illegal beaners with STOLEN guns?