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"We find that whole communities suddenly fix their minds upon one object, and go mad in its pursuit; that millions of people become simultaneously impressed with one new delusion, and run after it, till their attention is caught by some new folly more captivating than the first.
…Men, it has been well said, think in herds; it will be seen that they go mad in herds, while they only recover their senses slowly, and one by one."


-– Charles Mackay, Extraordinary Popular Delusions and the Madness of Crowds, 1852
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That's a scary thought. Especially in today's world where internet has everyone connected with everyone else.

It's not so bad thinking outside the herd, after all:)
"Arrows of hate have been shot at me too, but they never hit me, because somehow they belonged to another world, with which I have no connection whatsoever." - Albert Einstein
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I worked at a large company some years back and I could see this as plain as day how the masses move in concert whether in motion or in thought. I used to say that "you people all think with one mind set...but I don't" You are all like a herd of elephants that just stampede. Guess where that got me?
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That's a scary thought. Especially in today's world where internet has everyone connected with everyone else.

It's not so bad thinking outside the herd, after all:)
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Hey Earth Daughter!

hi It's SS.

That is the problem with change, especially massive change. It causes disruptions and creates a lot of unknown variables. The unknown is what causes fear.

I usually do not quote movies, but this is a great quote about 'fear'.

"If we are going to survive this, you must realize that fear is not real. It is a product of thoughts you create. Now, do not misunderstand me; danger is very real. But fear is a choice.
"Do you know where we are?
"This...is Earth."

(from the movie: After Earth)
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Fuck yeah!

dance

I thought it appropriate with the 12/21/12 madness, lol. Especially in Russia.
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Re: Men, it has been well said, Think in Herds; it will be seen that they go Mad in Herds
I worked at a large company some years back and I could see this as plain as day how the masses move in concert whether in motion or in thought. I used to say that "you people all think with one mind set...but I don't" You are all like a herd of elephants that just stampede. Guess where that got me?
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lol

When being able to see outside the box, it does seem like everyone runs on automaton. Thinking the same thoughts, repeating the same actions...over and over and over. Disrupt that repeating flow, and they get all out of sorts.
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This is a truth. I call it the herd mentality. People shop in droves. Also they are beholden to do things at certain times or within a limit of time, further driving that herd mentality. This is why you will see people all come up to a counter at the same time. This is also why when there is an item of interest-say with a limit on the amount can be sold-you will see all sense leave the herd as they stampede to be the first person to the item. They may not even really want the item, or not necessarily need the item, but because everyone is trying to get the item they feel they need to have it.

You will find this truth in trends too and it has a lot to do with conformity and fear. People are afraid to be different. They feel a strong need to conform in order to feel love. If they just embraced who they are, no matter how strange or different, they would have love, always.

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The astronomer Fred Hoyle once wrote of the herd mentality in his profession:

“The trouble with conformity is that the process has strong positive feedback. The baaing starts up at a volume low enough to permit stronger-minded animals to think for themselves without too much trouble. Progressively, however, we break down one-by-one, losing all power of sensible judgement, to the point where we can do nothing but add our own baaing to the uproar, which eventually rises to such monumental proportions that nothing remains for the flock except the butcher's shop.”
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I tend not too run with the herd...My out of the herd thinking is a bit much for them to handle chuckle
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This is a truth. I call it the herd mentality. People shop in droves. Also they are beholden to do things at certain times or within a limit of time, further driving that herd mentality. This is why you will see people all come up to a counter at the same time. This is also why when there is an item of interest-say with a limit on the amount can be sold-you will see all sense leave the herd as they stampede to be the first person to the item. They may not even really want the item, or not necessarily need the item, but because everyone is trying to get the item they feel they need to have it.

You will find this truth in trends too and it has a lot to do with conformity and fear. People are afraid to be different. They feel a strong need to conform in order to feel love. If they just embraced who they are, no matter how strange or different, they would have love, always.

sheepsheepsheepsheepsheepsheepsheep
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I tend not too run with the herd...My out of the herd thinking is a bit much for them to handle chuckle
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Most people here on GLP stay away from the herds.
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“Nothing comes from nothing. Nothing ever could.”
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That's a scary thought. Especially in today's world where internet has everyone connected with everyone else.

It's not so bad thinking outside the herd, after all:)
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Hey Earth Daughter!

hi It's SS.

That is the problem with change, especially massive change. It causes disruptions and creates a lot of unknown variables. The unknown is what causes fear.

I usually do not quote movies, but this is a great quote about 'fear'.

"If we are going to survive this, you must realize that fear is not real. It is a product of thoughts you create. Now, do not misunderstand me; danger is very real. But fear is a choice.
"Do you know where we are?
"This...is Earth."

(from the movie: After Earth)
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Hi SS! I'm glad you are still around posting:) I've missed your threads.

And yes, fear is a choice, but it is also a disease. It spreads so easily. Just when I think I've mastered it, I realize that it is still there at some level.

I think what is needed is to step back and put everything into a greater perspective.
"Arrows of hate have been shot at me too, but they never hit me, because somehow they belonged to another world, with which I have no connection whatsoever." - Albert Einstein
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That's a scary thought. Especially in today's world where internet has everyone connected with everyone else.

It's not so bad thinking outside the herd, after all:)
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Hey Earth Daughter!

hi It's SS.

That is the problem with change, especially massive change. It causes disruptions and creates a lot of unknown variables. The unknown is what causes fear.

I usually do not quote movies, but this is a great quote about 'fear'.

"If we are going to survive this, you must realize that fear is not real. It is a product of thoughts you create. Now, do not misunderstand me; danger is very real. But fear is a choice.
"Do you know where we are?
"This...is Earth."

(from the movie: After Earth)
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Hi SS! I'm glad you are still around posting:) I've missed your threads.

And yes, fear is a choice, but it is also a disease. It spreads so easily. Just when I think I've mastered it, I realize that it is still there at some level.

I think what is needed is to step back and put everything into a greater perspective.
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The trick is to not let the fear control you.
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I learned about the 'lowest common denominator' factor years ago during my psychic training. Basically, the group cannot evolve beyond the lowest common denominator of the group. I explain it this way:

We've all been stuck in traffic. Well, the road and direction you are going with hundreds of others is moving along nicely until...a little old lady gets on the road and drives 10 miles an hour slower than the rest of the traffic. Now EVERYONE slows down. Get it?

How to avoid this 'collective bog-down?' Think for yourself. Do not engage your belief systems with that of the dominant paradigm. Find your own truth. Have the courage to be fully honest with yourself...you CANNOT be honest in the world unless you are first and foremost self-aware enough to be honest with YOURSELF.

What is the dominant paradigm?

Lies, war, death, fear, CONTROL. Shake it off.

NOW is time for us to be fully aware that the choices we make are as simple as FEAR or LOVE, and to carry that awareness into moment to moment decision making processes that influence our response to events in the moment, how we perceive them, etc.

It is not a new-age bullshit trip...it is very simple free will practition. It can be applied to anger and 'negative' emotions without suppressing those emotions in an unhealthy way. Feelings arise...it is how WE CHOOSE to respond to them that is our gift of free will.
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I learned about the 'lowest common denominator' factor years ago during my psychic training. Basically, the group cannot evolve beyond the lowest common denominator of the group. I explain it this way:

We've all been stuck in traffic. Well, the road and direction you are going with hundreds of others is moving along nicely until...a little old lady gets on the road and drives 10 miles an hour slower than the rest of the traffic. Now EVERYONE slows down. Get it?

How to avoid this 'collective bog-down?' Think for yourself. Do not engage your belief systems with that of the dominant paradigm. Find your own truth. Have the courage to be fully honest with yourself...you CANNOT be honest in the world unless you are first and foremost self-aware enough to be honest with YOURSELF.

What is the dominant paradigm?

Lies, war, death, fear, CONTROL. Shake it off.

NOW is time for us to be fully aware that the choices we make are as simple as FEAR or LOVE, and to carry that awareness into moment to moment decision making processes that influence our response to events in the moment, how we perceive them, etc.

It is not a new-age bullshit trip...it is very simple free will practition. It can be applied to anger and 'negative' emotions without suppressing those emotions in an unhealthy way. Feelings arise...it is how WE CHOOSE to respond to them that is our gift of free will.
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Nice post! Fully agree with you.
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No lasting change is ever wrought from without.

These days we find a few individuals from every community who begin to suspect that there might be something beyond your culture's understanding of reality. When this occurs, we have a breakthrough. A beachhead. These, we can and do reach. Generally, it is then only a short time before these first-to-awaken translate their new awareness into terms better suited than ours to convey it to others locked within their particular brand of illusion, thereby helping them to awaken also.


The Third Millennium -Ken Carey (originally written in 1979)
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Good Thread! hf
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Good Thread! hf
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That's a scary thought. Especially in today's world where internet has everyone connected with everyone else.

It's not so bad thinking outside the herd, after all:)
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Hey Earth Daughter!

hi It's SS.

That is the problem with change, especially massive change. It causes disruptions and creates a lot of unknown variables. The unknown is what causes fear.

I usually do not quote movies, but this is a great quote about 'fear'.

"If we are going to survive this, you must realize that fear is not real. It is a product of thoughts you create. Now, do not misunderstand me; danger is very real. But fear is a choice.
"Do you know where we are?
"This...is Earth."

(from the movie: After Earth)
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Spot on! I posted this in a thread the other day.
Also, we are a collective.. hf

.....Its all about staying positive and spreading positivity.. good vibes!
There is no need to be scared- this will only hold you back, what scares you is the unknown. Something you cannot control. You need to accept and embrace the unknown.. it is fear and ignorance that controls us, once you defeat that your potential is limitless.


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Last Edited by DMTHC on 12/17/2012 12:12 PM
Let me let you in on a little secrete of mine, as far as god goes I don't believe in your kind- I think we all god just gotter look deeper inside, that's probably what your bible means by you seek and you find.
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That's a scary thought. Especially in today's world where internet has everyone connected with everyone else.

It's not so bad thinking outside the herd, after all:)
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Hey Earth Daughter!

hi It's SS.

That is the problem with change, especially massive change. It causes disruptions and creates a lot of unknown variables. The unknown is what causes fear.

I usually do not quote movies, but this is a great quote about 'fear'.

"If we are going to survive this, you must realize that fear is not real. It is a product of thoughts you create. Now, do not misunderstand me; danger is very real. But fear is a choice.
"Do you know where we are?
"This...is Earth."

(from the movie: After Earth)
 Quoting: Septenary Man


Spot on! I posted this in a thread the other day.
Also, are a collective.. hf

.....Its all about staying positive and spreading positivity.. good vibes!
There is no need to be scared- this will only hold you back, what scares you is the unknown. Something you cannot control. You need to accept and embrace the unknown.. it is fear and ignorance that controls us, once you defeat that your potential is limitless.



Brief ramblings from waking up on the couch at 3:33, going back to bed and waking up at 11:11
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No lasting change is ever wrought from without.

These days we find a few individuals from every community who begin to suspect that there might be something beyond your culture's understanding of reality. When this occurs, we have a breakthrough. A beachhead. These, we can and do reach. Generally, it is then only a short time before these first-to-awaken translate their new awareness into terms better suited than ours to convey it to others locked within their particular brand of illusion, thereby helping them to awaken also.


The Third Millennium -Ken Carey (originally written in 1979)
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I must say here that while i fully applaud the growing awareness and desire for change that many are expressing and attempting to manifest, the new-age movement, religion, any group-think you engage in (and that applies to governments, politics, etc.) is going to slow down your spiritual evolution. Think about it. Anyone with half a brain can see that the Pope, Vatican, et al are absolutely evil...and yet, Christianity is a dominant paradigm....how do you compromise being a part of something you know to be a lie, and to be evil? It doesn't matter if you are aware of the darkness inherent in the Vatican, for example, if you are still calling yourself a christian or subscribing to that belief system, you are a part of it, the GROUP agreement based off the common denominator, FEAR, that the 'church' perpetrates. It will always be one step forward two steps back until you learn that you do not need to be a part of a religion to be a good, decent human being, and act accordingly. ANY belief system that functions with FEAR as its base energy is going to perpetrate nothing but fear, and spiritual evolution will go backwards, not forward into enlightenment.

So really, I am just reiterating what we're both saying, it seems like a simple concept to us but to most, it's revolutionary and to most of the most, revolutionary means THREATENING, and in a dominant paradigm of FEAR, the cycle of control and manipulation thrives.

I do hope that the awareness is accelerated, however, i have been thinking of this a lot recently, kind of coming to some conclusions on subjects i have studied in my lifetime: The food you eat, the vote your dollar makes, the awareness of how YOU in every moment create your reality, is not something any external being or force is going to revelate to you. ENLIGHTENMENT IS CONSCIOUSNESS WORK!!!!!

In a nutshell: all things we do in our day to day lives, from the food we eat, the stores we shop at, the basis of the actions we take, everything makes a difference. It is fallacy to think we can just magically have all our cruelties, misdeeds and actions 'erased' by a sunday morning confession, for example.

Enlightenment is SIMPLE. It really really is. :)
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No lasting change is ever wrought from without.

These days we find a few individuals from every community who begin to suspect that there might be something beyond your culture's understanding of reality. When this occurs, we have a breakthrough. A beachhead. These, we can and do reach. Generally, it is then only a short time before these first-to-awaken translate their new awareness into terms better suited than ours to convey it to others locked within their particular brand of illusion, thereby helping them to awaken also.


The Third Millennium -Ken Carey (originally written in 1979)
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I must say here that while i fully applaud the growing awareness and desire for change that many are expressing and attempting to manifest, the new-age movement, religion, any group-think you engage in (and that applies to governments, politics, etc.) is going to slow down your spiritual evolution. Think about it. Anyone with half a brain can see that the Pope, Vatican, et al are absolutely evil...and yet, Christianity is a dominant paradigm....how do you compromise being a part of something you know to be a lie, and to be evil? It doesn't matter if you are aware of the darkness inherent in the Vatican, for example, if you are still calling yourself a christian or subscribing to that belief system, you are a part of it, the GROUP agreement based off the common denominator, FEAR, that the 'church' perpetrates. It will always be one step forward two steps back until you learn that you do not need to be a part of a religion to be a good, decent human being, and act accordingly. ANY belief system that functions with FEAR as its base energy is going to perpetrate nothing but fear, and spiritual evolution will go backwards, not forward into enlightenment.

So really, I am just reiterating what we're both saying, it seems like a simple concept to us but to most, it's revolutionary and to most of the most, revolutionary means THREATENING, and in a dominant paradigm of FEAR, the cycle of control and manipulation thrives.

I do hope that the awareness is accelerated, however, i have been thinking of this a lot recently, kind of coming to some conclusions on subjects i have studied in my lifetime: The food you eat, the vote your dollar makes, the awareness of how YOU in every moment create your reality, is not something any external being or force is going to revelate to you. ENLIGHTENMENT IS CONSCIOUSNESS WORK!!!!!

In a nutshell: all things we do in our day to day lives, from the food we eat, the stores we shop at, the basis of the actions we take, everything makes a difference. It is fallacy to think we can just magically have all our cruelties, misdeeds and actions 'erased' by a sunday morning confession, for example.

Enlightenment is SIMPLE. It really really is. :)
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I feel that way as well. Enlightenment comes from inner work, not external 'saviors' or whatever. I have always felt that way.

Good post.
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That's a scary thought. Especially in today's world where internet has everyone connected with everyone else.

It's not so bad thinking outside the herd, after all:)
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Hey Earth Daughter!

hi It's SS.

That is the problem with change, especially massive change. It causes disruptions and creates a lot of unknown variables. The unknown is what causes fear.

I usually do not quote movies, but this is a great quote about 'fear'.

"If we are going to survive this, you must realize that fear is not real. It is a product of thoughts you create. Now, do not misunderstand me; danger is very real. But fear is a choice.
"Do you know where we are?
"This...is Earth."

(from the movie: After Earth)
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SS...hitting the nail on the head...as always

....how do we get people to realize that being in the state of fear is by their own choice?
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