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Dead Principal Who Gave Statement -- Screen Capture

 
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hmm
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agreed
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THE NEWSPAPER SHOULD BE ABLE TO TRACE WHERE THAT CALL ORIGINATED FROM, NO?


C'MON INVESTIGATE NEWSPEOPLE, GET ON IT!!!!


YEAH, RIGHT.
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ARE THE POLICE GOING TO TRACE THE PHONE CALL TO SEE WHERE IT CAME FROM?


<not holding my breath>


..
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this is pinned but the Batman and sandy hook connection thread is not? wtf
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wow that's still not pinned???
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In all fairness, it was pinned all day. This one has only been pinned for an hour or so.
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no it wasnt.. not today.. all last night, yes
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Oh, I stand corrected. Sorry.
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Authentic events do not have all of these problems.


I've never seen a direct quote from a deceased victim before.
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There ya go.

frame that line.
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Also deleted today was this:

[link to www.examiner.com]
monsignor-robert-weiss-laughs-phone-interview

I only saved the pertinent text:

Then, during the interview, something strange occurred as

Monsignor Weiss began to laugh and giggle on the phone while

discussing this grave situation. He was asked how things happened

at his school.

“Monsignor Weiss: "We were located...we were notified through the

alarm system that's in our town through the school system,"

Monsignor Weiss began. "Our children were actually at mass so we

kept them in church for quite a while and then sent them over to

our hall where they are still in one group.

So now...we are just awaiting...word from the officials on what we

should do from here. I'm more concerned about the...the...

(laughter)"

MSNBC: "Monsignor..."

Monsignor Weiss: "(laughter)"

MSNBC: "Monsignor...?"

Monsignor Weiss: "...(laughter)...more concerned about the parents

waiting to find out what happened to their children (stifling

laughter)."

As of now, there is no knowledge of what exactly he was laughing about, but after listening to the audio a few times, it is evident that it was indeed laughter. Monsignor Weiss probably wasn't laughing at the shooting, but it still was one of the most inappropriate and awkward times for it to happen.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30125658


wow. many smiles and laughter all around this horrible shooting..
Can you start an ew thread about this? cause this will be buried..

ITs still shows up in the google search
if you search for: "connecticut Monsignor Weiss laughs"

[link to www.google.com]


BTW. this article si itneresting too by the examiner:
[link to www.examiner.com]
"
A message on the website for the Sandy Creek Elementary School says that all afternoon kindergarten is cancelled today and there is not going to be a mid-day bus run"
interesting they had time for that..

"Three patients are said to be at nearby hospitals, but there is no word as to who those patients are. There is also no information as to whether or not those are children or adults."
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So a local reporter in a relatively small town doesn't know/ recognize a local principal?

Even after said principle reportedly had just recently released a news release regarding the school's new security protocol?
Job 12:7) But ask now the beasts, and they shall teach thee; and the fowls of the air, and they shall tell thee:
8) Or speak to the earth, and it shall teach thee: and the fishes of the sea shall declare unto thee.
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So a local reporter in a relatively small town doesn't know/ recognize a local principal?

Even after said principle reportedly had just recently released a news release regarding the school's new security protocol?
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Good point. And the fact is, the school would constantly be contacting the local paper with event announcements, honor roll, school snow closings, etc...
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Next post.

Last Edited by Mastema on 12/17/2012 06:39 PM
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What we have here in the retraction, is the paper claiming that someone identified themselves as either "the principal" (sic) and/or "Dawn Hochsprung" (sic).

You have to consider all possible interpretations of the text, those being the first two.

So what you have is a rather incomplete retraction when you have two possible interpretations: one that may or may not be physically possible "principal" (could be the vice principal) or the one that most definitely couldn't be possible which is the interpretation of the retraction which would have you believe that someone identified themselves as Hochsprung herself but you would think a reporter would ask for a name.

Anyways, the third possible interpretation is that someone impersonated Hochsprung, and the text almost implies that by saying "a woman who identified herself to our reporter as the principal of the school. The woman was not the school's principal, Dawn Hochsprung, who was killed in the Friday morning attack.".

They need to fix their retraction to be more specific.

There is no excuse for them to be leaving things open to three differing interpretations like this.

How did they get a degree?
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“If we could change ourselves, the tendencies in the world would also change. As a man changes his own nature, so does the attitude of the world change towards him. ... We need not wait to see what others do.” -Mahatma Ghandi
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What we have here in the retraction, is the paper claiming that someone identified themselves as either "the principal" (sic) and/or "Dawn Hochsprung" (sic).

You have to consider all possible interpretations of the text, those being the first two.

So what you have is a rather incomplete retraction when you have two possible interpretations: one that may or may not be physically possible "principal" (could be the vice principal) or the one that most definitely couldn't be possible which is the interpretation of the retraction which would have you believe that someone identified themselves as Hochsprung herself but you would think a reporter would ask for a name.

Anyways, the third possible interpretation is that someone impersonated Hochsprung, and the text almost implies that by saying "someone claiming to be Hochsprung".

They need to fix their retraction to be more specific.

There is no excuse for them to be leaving things open to three differing interpretations like this.

How did they get a degree?
 Quoting: Mastema


I have heard the Vice Principal was wounded. If true, I doubt she would be talking to the paper with a gunshot.

I haven't verified if this is true though.
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what's up with THIS:

more men in camo at the church..

At 1:10 p.m. about six men dressed in camouflage exited the church's education center and conferred with local police.

note: cannot post link. pump it into a search engine.
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What do you think happened? The principal did or did not give the statement? Perhaps she did and then was killed thereafter - but why would a principal pick up a phone and call or respond to a reporter during a shooting event? If it was after, then the principal was never killed?

I think she was impersonated for some reason.
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As I just wrote:

"The principal was probably killed after the fact because she saw too much...but oops, she already alerted the local news as to what was going on.

Two minutes is just not enough time for one guy to have done all this killing in the office, a classroom, and then another classroom where he allegedly tried to get to children hiding in a closet."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28535621


So the principal took a call during the shooting? Not likely.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2122006


Clearly it was AFTER the shooting. Read the story.

She was probably just letting the local news know what was going on. That sounds reasonable to me. The story includes details about staging areas for where the parents were to report, too.

News is meant to inform, believe it or not.
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Stop being condescending. I am generally with you on this but you sound like a prick. So when was she shot? You need to think about this? If it was aftermath then she would have been with cops and reporters not chance to shoot her.
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What we have here in the retraction, is the paper claiming that someone identified themselves as either "the principal" (sic) and/or "Dawn Hochsprung" (sic).

You have to consider all possible interpretations of the text, those being the first two.

So what you have is a rather incomplete retraction when you have two possible interpretations: one that may or may not be physically possible "principal" (could be the vice principal) or the one that most definitely couldn't be possible which is the interpretation of the retraction which would have you believe that someone identified themselves as Hochsprung herself but you would think a reporter would ask for a name.

Anyways, the third possible interpretation is that someone impersonated Hochsprung, and the text almost implies that by saying "someone claiming to be Hochsprung".

They need to fix their retraction to be more specific.

There is no excuse for them to be leaving things open to three differing interpretations like this.

How did they get a degree?
 Quoting: Mastema


I have heard the Vice Principal was wounded. If true, I doubt she would be talking to the paper with a gunshot.

I haven't verified if this is true though.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28535621


So that one is probably ruled out, but still we are left with two other possibilities of interpretation of their own stated claims and it seems to me that as journalists they shouldn't ever be leaving things open to interpretation like that.
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what's up with THIS:

more men in camo at the church..

At 1:10 p.m. about six men dressed in camouflage exited the church's education center and conferred with local police.

note: cannot post link. pump it into a search engine.
 Quoting: RDprofessor


The church and the firehouse.. I think they were the hubs for the dril..
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What we have here in the retraction, is the paper claiming that someone identified themselves as either "the principal" (sic) and/or "Dawn Hochsprung" (sic).

You have to consider all possible interpretations of the text, those being the first two.

So what you have is a rather incomplete retraction when you have two possible interpretations: one that may or may not be physically possible "principal" (could be the vice principal) or the one that most definitely couldn't be possible which is the interpretation of the retraction which would have you believe that someone identified themselves as Hochsprung herself but you would think a reporter would ask for a name.

Anyways, the third possible interpretation is that someone impersonated Hochsprung, and the text almost implies that by saying "someone claiming to be Hochsprung".

They need to fix their retraction to be more specific.

There is no excuse for them to be leaving things open to three differing interpretations like this.

How did they get a degree?
 Quoting: Mastema


I have heard the Vice Principal was wounded. If true, I doubt she would be talking to the paper with a gunshot.

I haven't verified if this is true though.
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Reporter got the name of the principal too so it was not a mix up between vice and principal.
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OP sounds like a hysterical woman....6 pages of it.
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Sure, shill.
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Reporter got the name of the principal too so it was not a mix up between vice and principal.
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Or, as one person conjectured, they didn't actually get the name and went by their notes on who this "principal" was.

The retraction is basically telling the reader "Someone claiming to be either the principal and/or Dawn Hochsprung"

Because if you read it one way, you could read it as saying that someone, unnamed, merely said "principal" without giving the name.

And that the reporter filled in the name being that "the principal" is Hochsprung.

Or you could read it your way and read it as saying that someone unnamed claimed to be Hochsprung.

Or you could read it as saying that it wasn't Hochsprung because she was dead so that it had to be someone else.

That would mean they are stating as a fact that she was dead at the time of the call and couldn't have made the call due to that.

So there are so many possible mistakes and the biggest one is writing an article and making a retraction that is left open to interpretation.

That should require another retraction.
“If we could change ourselves, the tendencies in the world would also change. As a man changes his own nature, so does the attitude of the world change towards him. ... We need not wait to see what others do.” -Mahatma Ghandi
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OP sounds like a hysterical woman....6 pages of it.
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No op is right but we need to drill down on this. When was the interview given because we know the principal is dead. I think the principal never gave an interview that some operative impersonated her to plant a storyline but that has a problem too in that what was supposed to be the storyline?
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what's up with THIS:

more men in camo at the church..

At 1:10 p.m. about six men dressed in camouflage exited the church's education center and conferred with local police.

note: cannot post link. pump it into a search engine.
 Quoting: RDprofessor


The church and the firehouse.. I think they were the hubs for the dril..
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..the church with the laughing priest.
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Reporter got the name of the principal too so it was not a mix up between vice and principal.
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Or, as one person conjectured, they didn't actually get the name and went by their notes on who this "principal" was.

The retraction is basically telling the reader "Someone claiming to be either the principal and/or Dawn Hochsprung"

Because if you read it one way, you could read it as saying that someone, unnamed, merely said "principal" without giving the name.

And that the reporter filled in the name being that "the principal" is Hochsprung.

Or you could read it your way and read it as saying that someone unnamed claimed to be Hochsprung.

Or you could read it as saying that it wasn't Hochsprung because she was dead so that it had to be someone else.

That would mean they are stating as a fact that she was dead at the time of the call and couldn't have made the call due to that.

So there are so many possible mistakes and the biggest one is writing an article and making a retraction that is left open to interpretation.

That should require another retraction.
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Regardless, someone is posing as the principal.
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What we have here in the retraction, is the paper claiming that someone identified themselves as either "the principal" (sic) and/or "Dawn Hochsprung" (sic).

You have to consider all possible interpretations of the text, those being the first two.

So what you have is a rather incomplete retraction when you have two possible interpretations: one that may or may not be physically possible "principal" (could be the vice principal) or the one that most definitely couldn't be possible which is the interpretation of the retraction which would have you believe that someone identified themselves as Hochsprung herself but you would think a reporter would ask for a name.

Anyways, the third possible interpretation is that someone impersonated Hochsprung, and the text almost implies that by saying "someone claiming to be Hochsprung".

They need to fix their retraction to be more specific.

There is no excuse for them to be leaving things open to three differing interpretations like this.

How did they get a degree?
 Quoting: Mastema


I have heard the Vice Principal was wounded. If true, I doubt she would be talking to the paper with a gunshot.

I haven't verified if this is true though.
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Reporter got the name of the principal too so it was not a mix up between vice and principal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2122006


It doesn't say for sure that the reporter got the name from the caller, it can be interpreted as someone merely saying "this is the principal".

Just like if someone was called by Obama and he said "...your President, speaking." and they wrote an article about it they could say identified as President Obama without asking him his name.

In other words it cold have gone like this:

"Who am I speaking with."

"I'm the principal"

Instead of the caller ever saying "Dawn Hochsprung".
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What we have here in the retraction, is the paper claiming that someone identified themselves as either "the principal" (sic) and/or "Dawn Hochsprung" (sic).

You have to consider all possible interpretations of the text, those being the first two.

So what you have is a rather incomplete retraction when you have two possible interpretations: one that may or may not be physically possible "principal" (could be the vice principal) or the one that most definitely couldn't be possible which is the interpretation of the retraction which would have you believe that someone identified themselves as Hochsprung herself but you would think a reporter would ask for a name.

Anyways, the third possible interpretation is that someone impersonated Hochsprung, and the text almost implies that by saying "someone claiming to be Hochsprung".

They need to fix their retraction to be more specific.

There is no excuse for them to be leaving things open to three differing interpretations like this.

How did they get a degree?
 Quoting: Mastema


I have heard the Vice Principal was wounded. If true, I doubt she would be talking to the paper with a gunshot.

I haven't verified if this is true though.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28535621


Reporter got the name of the principal too so it was not a mix up between vice and principal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2122006


It doesn't say for sure that the reporter got the name from the caller, it can be interpreted as someone merely saying "this is the principal".

Just like if someone was called by Obama and he said "...your President, speaking." and they wrote an article about it they could say identified as President Obama without asking him his name.

In other words it cold have gone like this:

"Who am I speaking with."

"I'm the principal"

Instead of the caller ever saying "Dawn Hochsprung".
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What is you point? Someone posed as the principal. It blows a whole in this a mile wide.
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'He always had issues. He was kind of a loner. I don't know who his friends were.'

MS BETH ISRAEL, 43, a neighbour whose daughter went to school with Adam Lanza

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The Neighbor of Adam Lanza's name is Beth Isreal, translates to "House of Israel"! ( [link to en.wikipedia.org] )

There are only 6 people in the USA with the name BETH ISRAEL!

She is 43...... 4+3 = 7
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And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
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Nobody noticed that "she" said "A masked man entered with a RIFLE and started shooting..... I THOUGHT ADAM HAD 2 PISTOLS?????

SMH. The masked man wasnt Adam it was the 2 guys they arrested and yes they were shooting rifles! Period! SMH.
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what's up with THIS:

more men in camo at the church..

At 1:10 p.m. about six men dressed in camouflage exited the church's education center and conferred with local police.

note: cannot post link. pump it into a search engine.
 Quoting: RDprofessor


The church and the firehouse.. I think they were the hubs for the dril..
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30132491


..the church with the laughing priest.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1234190


if we could egt that audio...

And dont forget about the joking Examiner:
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Nobody noticed that "she" said "A masked man entered with a RIFLE and started shooting..... I THOUGHT ADAM HAD 2 PISTOLS?????

SMH. The masked man wasnt Adam it was the 2 guys they arrested and yes they were shooting rifles! Period! SMH.
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Good catch.
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Reporter got the name of the principal too so it was not a mix up between vice and principal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2122006


Or, as one person conjectured, they didn't actually get the name and went by their notes on who this "principal" was.

The retraction is basically telling the reader "Someone claiming to be either the principal and/or Dawn Hochsprung"

Because if you read it one way, you could read it as saying that someone, unnamed, merely said "principal" without giving the name.

And that the reporter filled in the name being that "the principal" is Hochsprung.

Or you could read it your way and read it as saying that someone unnamed claimed to be Hochsprung.

Or you could read it as saying that it wasn't Hochsprung because she was dead so that it had to be someone else.

That would mean they are stating as a fact that she was dead at the time of the call and couldn't have made the call due to that.

So there are so many possible mistakes and the biggest one is writing an article and making a retraction that is left open to interpretation.

That should require another retraction.
 Quoting: Mastema


Regardless, someone is posing as the principal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2122006


Yes, they didn't say whether or not a name was given.

..and, yes, that is what the text of the retraction is implying, someone claiming to be the principal of the high school, and it is also implying that it was not Hochsprung "who was dead" [at the time of the call] who called.
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I think a lot of the media reported information wrong. This is not unusual as everyone wants to know information so quickly.

For example, they were reporting the shooter's mom was a teacher inside the school and he had gone there to shoot her.

The Newton Bee also took that picture of the teacher leading the kids out. One of the very first released. All the other media sources wanted it. The Newton Bee gave it away free. Pretty amazing!
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Reporter got the name of the principal too so it was not a mix up between vice and principal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2122006


Or, as one person conjectured, they didn't actually get the name and went by their notes on who this "principal" was.

The retraction is basically telling the reader "Someone claiming to be either the principal and/or Dawn Hochsprung"

Because if you read it one way, you could read it as saying that someone, unnamed, merely said "principal" without giving the name.

And that the reporter filled in the name being that "the principal" is Hochsprung.

Or you could read it your way and read it as saying that someone unnamed claimed to be Hochsprung.

Or you could read it as saying that it wasn't Hochsprung because she was dead so that it had to be someone else.

That would mean they are stating as a fact that she was dead at the time of the call and couldn't have made the call due to that.

So there are so many possible mistakes and the biggest one is writing an article and making a retraction that is left open to interpretation.

That should require another retraction.
 Quoting: Mastema


Regardless, someone is posing as the principal.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 2122006


No. What you do not understand is that the principal is very much alive but is now tucked away in a secure COG location because she was one of the selected.

The newspaper simply fucked up and they got exposed.