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NOW I understand why everybody here is freaking out about a potential gun ban....

 
SnakeAirlines

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Answer MY question you arrogant fuck. Who gets to decide what constitutes mental illness?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1464956


I asked first.

Do you think the mentally ill should own firearms? Yes or no.

Answer that and then we can debate the details.
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Your 'half hour' for eMail has been up for a bit now...

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Re: NOW I understand why everybody here is freaking out about a potential gun ban....
Because the majority here all have histories of mental illness!

Was wondering why everybody here was making such a big deal about this.

Hit me just now. lol

1doh1

Anyone with mental illness has NO business owning a firearm.

If your mind is right, you have nothing to worry about, this will not effect you in the least bit.

And for the record, I would be in support of an all out gun ban for the mentally ill.

How can you argue against that?
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That is not the point! The government is not out to distinguish who can and cannot possess firearms; what they are trying to do is disarm EVERYONE, but they will start with the bigger semi and automatic weapons. But, mark my words, it will come down to ALL weapons because the masses are brainwashed with this 'politically correct' meme that is propagated ad nauseum throughout every media, i.e.) movies, news, video games. They create the problem, violence in the most seemingly innocent of things, entertainment, which leads to creating the problem, the 'crazies' and then offer the solution: the government will take care of you, we will ban all guns (but the violent video games and movies will run rampant). And then they will act as well as the masses and then the cycle repeats...masses react violently and then they become the problem and then the government steps in as savior and then solution...blah, blah, blah
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Another one who can't use a simple yes or no.
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what constitutes mentally ill?


Voting for obama.

promoting anything Anti gun .

Wanting to abolish the 2nd Amendment.

Believeing obama is the messiah.

Supporting political correctness.

Thinking the Government or Police/TSA/FEMA/DHS/ATF will protect you from criminals . They are there to just bag and tag the bodies and ivestigate the crimes.
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Who gets to decide what defines mental illness?

I mean it seems pretty sane to say...crazy people shouldn't be allowed to have guns.

But when you have psychiatrists who try and claim that being a member of the Tea Party or supporting Ron Paul means you have a mental illness, and they are being serious about it when they say it, you have to sit back and re-evaluate your premise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1464956


If they were serious about it, they would round them up.

Has that happened?

No.

At least you tried to be honest.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30146325



No. It hasn't happened....yet.

So lets say a new law goes into effect that really cracks down on mentally ill people owning firearms. Then, they decide that constitutional libertarianism is a mental illness.

So while you and I, being rational human beings, can agree that it probably isn't a good idea to let crazy people have guns, we cannot pretend that it is quite as black and white as you have phrased it in the original question you have posed to this forum.
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And the second they become irrational we have another issue on our hands. However, that is not the issue in this thread.

The question posted was:

Do you believe the mentally ill should be allowed to own firearms?
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In the newest psychological manual (DSM) coming out, internet addiction is considered a mental illness. If OP is wasting time on here I bet they've done more than their allowed hour and a half a day.
In fact I think they just admitted to wandering the site for hours.
 Quoting: mkscrewup


^^ This.

In a nutshell, the definition of "mental illness" is decided by those who consider themselves "normal".

As mentioned above, being on the internet for hours at a time is now classified as a mental "disorder".

Will everyone be required to undergo psychological exams annually? Bi-annually?


Welcome to the world you support OP....where anyone, who claims to "know" what's "normal" can classify you however they wish and you'll be powerless to do anything about it.

The truth is most of the people that suddenly crack and go on homicidal rages rarely show anything other than mild symptoms before the dam bursts.
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what constitutes mentally ill?


Voting for obama.

promoting anything Anti gun .

Wanting to abolish the 2nd Amendment.

Believeing obama is the messiah.

Supporting political correctness.

Thinking the Government or Police/TSA/FEMA/DHS/ATF will protect you from criminals . They are there to just bag and tag the bodies and ivestigate the crimes.
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So EVERYBODY should be allowed to own a gun?

Got it. thumbs
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In the newest psychological manual (DSM) coming out, internet addiction is considered a mental illness. If OP is wasting time on here I bet they've done more than their allowed hour and a half a day.
In fact I think they just admitted to wandering the site for hours.
 Quoting: mkscrewup


^^ This.

In a nutshell, the definition of "mental illness" is decided by those who consider themselves "normal".

As mentioned above, being on the internet for hours at a time is now classified as a mental "disorder".

Will everyone be required to undergo psychological exams annually? Bi-annually?


Welcome to the world you support OP....where anyone, who claims to "know" what's "normal" can classify you however they wish and you'll be powerless to do anything about it.

The truth is most of the people that suddenly crack and go on homicidal rages rarely show anything other than mild symptoms before the dam bursts.
 Quoting: Nemamiah


And just how are they going to classify me?

I don't make a habit out of sharing my personal business with my doctor.

Do you go around telling everybody you spend hours on the internet or whatever your issue may be?
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In the newest psychological manual (DSM) coming out, internet addiction is considered a mental illness. If OP is wasting time on here I bet they've done more than their allowed hour and a half a day.
In fact I think they just admitted to wandering the site for hours.
 Quoting: mkscrewup


^^ This.

In a nutshell, the definition of "mental illness" is decided by those who consider themselves "normal".

As mentioned above, being on the internet for hours at a time is now classified as a mental "disorder".

Will everyone be required to undergo psychological exams annually? Bi-annually?


Welcome to the world you support OP....where anyone, who claims to "know" what's "normal" can classify you however they wish and you'll be powerless to do anything about it.

The truth is most of the people that suddenly crack and go on homicidal rages rarely show anything other than mild symptoms before the dam bursts.
 Quoting: Nemamiah


Bullshit, every single one of these school shootings have been committed by people taking SSRIs. Most of them walked right into a gun shop and bought their weapons. Documented fact.
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It's pretty clear that the OP has issues...

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deanoZXT-07/20/2014 07:48 PM
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10 one star votes for asking a question that nobody can seem to answer.

Keep the comedy GOLD coming.

OP NAILED IT!!

Thank you God for my sharp discernment.
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Basically you will have a mental illness when you are not from this earth, its not peoples fault they dont fit in to the totalitarian state and traditions set up here countless ages ago, i fully understand both parts though, its free will to not seek higher learning allso.

The card they will play is the alien card, so if you do not seam to fit in, you are abviusly an alien right?
Or is it the aliens that throws the alien card?
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Its appetite will of cause grow and grow, and then you point your finger at its hunger?
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It's pretty clear that the OP has issues...

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No, what's clear is that most of GLP thinks the mentally ill should be allowed to own firearms.

This thread has really opened my eyes to this place and the kind of people who post here.

Thank you all. I mean that.

Highly enlightening.
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10 one star votes for asking a question that nobody can seem to answer.

Keep the comedy GOLD coming.

OP NAILED IT!!

Thank you God for my sharp discernment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30146325


If you were as 'sharp' as you think you are, maybe you'd know that the adjudicated mentally ill are already barred from possession of guns...

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10 one star votes for asking a question that nobody can seem to answer.

Keep the comedy GOLD coming.

OP NAILED IT!!

Thank you God for my sharp discernment.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30146325


If you were as 'sharp' as you think you are, maybe you'd know that the adjudicated mentally ill are already barred from possession of guns...

yawn
 Quoting: SnakeAirlines


Only the severely mentally ill with a history.

ANYBODY on SSRIs can walk into a gun shop and buy a gun.

You agree with that. Thank you for your post.
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OP I believe there are no suitable answers for your question simply because either way would create great problems that would only give the enemy the upper hand in such cases!
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Now, while you all waste the rest of this beautiful day on the internet not answering direct questions, I'm going to go enjoy the rest of the day and get some things done.

Take care all! What an eye opener!

hi
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Maybe we should settle this like they did in the old west..

All of the pro-gun folks line up over here with your fav. gun...

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All of the anti-gun folks, line up over here, with whatever you protect your home and families with..




DRAW... motherfuckers.......
 Quoting: Waterbug


So you support the ones with histories of mental illness owning guns?

I'm not anti gun, I am a SANE multiple gun owner and enthusiast.
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Are you so naive to believe that additional laws
will change the fact that mentally ill and violent persons
will always find a way to kill others..?

We already have laws against murder.
 Quoting: Waterbug


Answering a question with another question. Priceless!

Yes or no will do.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30146325


Persons with mental illness history cannot legally buy a gun.

Your question is bogus, sonny....
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ANYBODY on SSRIs can walk into a gun shop and buy a gun.

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Or any other prescription drug...

Do you have a point, or are you just going to drool on your 'eMail' some more...

tick, tick, tick...

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Who gets to decide what defines mental illness?

I mean it seems pretty sane to say...crazy people shouldn't be allowed to have guns.

But when you have psychiatrists who try and claim that being a member of the Tea Party or supporting Ron Paul means you have a mental illness, and they are being serious about it when they say it, you have to sit back and re-evaluate your premise.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1464956


If they were serious about it, they would round them up.

Has that happened?

No.

At least you tried to be honest.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30146325



No. It hasn't happened....yet.

So lets say a new law goes into effect that really cracks down on mentally ill people owning firearms. Then, they decide that constitutional libertarianism is a mental illness.

So while you and I, being rational human beings, can agree that it probably isn't a good idea to let crazy people have guns, we cannot pretend that it is quite as black and white as you have phrased it in the original question you have posed to this forum.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1464956


And the second they become irrational we have another issue on our hands. However, that is not the issue in this thread.

The question posted was:

Do you believe the mentally ill should be allowed to own firearms?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30146325


First of all, I think I already answered your question, but only as I define mental illness. I don't know how you define it. And where do you draw the line? Bob was depressed for a few months after his divorce, no gun for him?

Second
Irrational is the standard operating procedure for our government. And I'm not just bashing the current administration. The irrational behavior of our government is widespread and entrenched.
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Now, while you all waste the rest of this beautiful day on the internet not answering direct questions, I'm going to go enjoy the rest of the day and get some things done.

Take care all! What an eye opener!

hi
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Make sure you change your IP so we don't 'know' it's you still hanging around, MmmKay?

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In the newest psychological manual (DSM) coming out, internet addiction is considered a mental illness. If OP is wasting time on here I bet they've done more than their allowed hour and a half a day.
In fact I think they just admitted to wandering the site for hours.
 Quoting: mkscrewup


^^ This.

In a nutshell, the definition of "mental illness" is decided by those who consider themselves "normal".

As mentioned above, being on the internet for hours at a time is now classified as a mental "disorder".

Will everyone be required to undergo psychological exams annually? Bi-annually?


Welcome to the world you support OP....where anyone, who claims to "know" what's "normal" can classify you however they wish and you'll be powerless to do anything about it.

The truth is most of the people that suddenly crack and go on homicidal rages rarely show anything other than mild symptoms before the dam bursts.
 Quoting: Nemamiah


Bullshit, every single one of these school shootings have been committed by people taking SSRIs. Most of them walked right into a gun shop and bought their weapons. Documented fact.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30146325


Probably, at some point in their life, 50+% of the population has taken SSRI's or old style tricyclic antidepressants for anything from mild anxiety to severe depression and everything in between (the doctors WAY over-prescribe them for a lot of people).

But, for every person taking SSRI's (or have taken them at some point in their life) that goes on a homicidal killing spree there are 1 million others that take them that do not. I'm not condoning or condemning their use, simply looking at the numbers.

My point above is this: If you place your trust in the system, you will always wind up the loser. There has never been a "system" (i.e. government) in the history of mankind that has not become a failure (to it's people) in due time.

We must accept that there is evil in this world and sometimes it rears it's ugly head close to home. It's always been that way throughout history, and it will always be that way into the future.
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Answer MY question you arrogant fuck. Who gets to decide what constitutes mental illness?
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I asked first.

Do you think the mentally ill should own firearms? Yes or no.

Answer that and then we can debate the details.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30146325


Define "Mentally Ill" and I'll gladly answer your question...

Who makes this determination?

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In the newest psychological manual (DSM) coming out, internet addiction is considered a mental illness. If OP is wasting time on here I bet they've done more than their allowed hour and a half a day.
In fact I think they just admitted to wandering the site for hours.
 Quoting: mkscrewup


^^ This.

In a nutshell, the definition of "mental illness" is decided by those who consider themselves "normal".

As mentioned above, being on the internet for hours at a time is now classified as a mental "disorder".

Will everyone be required to undergo psychological exams annually? Bi-annually?


Welcome to the world you support OP....where anyone, who claims to "know" what's "normal" can classify you however they wish and you'll be powerless to do anything about it.

The truth is most of the people that suddenly crack and go on homicidal rages rarely show anything other than mild symptoms before the dam bursts.
 Quoting: Nemamiah


Bullshit, every single one of these school shootings have been committed by people taking SSRIs. Most of them walked right into a gun shop and bought their weapons. Documented fact.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30146325


Got a credible link for that documentation?
Put up or shut up.
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Use the old Soviet example. Protest the government, you are ruled insane. A sane person would not protest a perfect system such as Communism. Worked for awhile.
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OP, YOUR the definition of the 'mentally ill', SUPPOSING they KNOW what is good for everyone ELSE !

ONLY wish you were in my survival community and going on night guard duty. YOU would get a CLUB, NOT a gun or even a knife ! Another reliable person would be near by, and if they heard you being attacked by your shrieks and groans would have been told to empty HIS fire arm in YOUR direction to kill the intruder. Of course, if you were hit, it would be NO LOSS to the community !
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In the newest psychological manual (DSM) coming out, internet addiction is considered a mental illness. If OP is wasting time on here I bet they've done more than their allowed hour and a half a day.
In fact I think they just admitted to wandering the site for hours.
 Quoting: mkscrewup


^^ This.

In a nutshell, the definition of "mental illness" is decided by those who consider themselves "normal".

As mentioned above, being on the internet for hours at a time is now classified as a mental "disorder".

Will everyone be required to undergo psychological exams annually? Bi-annually?


Welcome to the world you support OP....where anyone, who claims to "know" what's "normal" can classify you however they wish and you'll be powerless to do anything about it.

The truth is most of the people that suddenly crack and go on homicidal rages rarely show anything other than mild symptoms before the dam bursts.
 Quoting: Nemamiah


Bullshit, every single one of these school shootings have been committed by people taking SSRIs. Most of them walked right into a gun shop and bought their weapons. Documented fact.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30146325


Got a credible link for that documentation?
Put up or shut up.
 Quoting: Waterbug


I think you let your mouth overload your ass with that statement, dufus...
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In the newest psychological manual (DSM) coming out, internet addiction is considered a mental illness. If OP is wasting time on here I bet they've done more than their allowed hour and a half a day.
In fact I think they just admitted to wandering the site for hours.
 Quoting: mkscrewup


^^ This.

In a nutshell, the definition of "mental illness" is decided by those who consider themselves "normal".

As mentioned above, being on the internet for hours at a time is now classified as a mental "disorder".

Will everyone be required to undergo psychological exams annually? Bi-annually?


Welcome to the world you support OP....where anyone, who claims to "know" what's "normal" can classify you however they wish and you'll be powerless to do anything about it.

The truth is most of the people that suddenly crack and go on homicidal rages rarely show anything other than mild symptoms before the dam bursts.
 Quoting: Nemamiah


Bullshit, every single one of these school shootings have been committed by people taking SSRIs. Most of them walked right into a gun shop and bought their weapons. Documented fact.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30146325


Got a credible link for that documentation?
Put up or shut up.
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Sure I'll spend hours of research digging through old cases just to satisfy you....if you're really interested, read up on these types of cases yourself. I've done my reading over the last 20+ years and that's my opinion based on the information I read.

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Thread: CALL TO ACTION: List Of School Shootings Known To Be Linked To SSRIs

Here you go opie you're going to love this one.I guess it is kinda eye opening that that thread got so many votes for 5 stars and this one got shit but it's basicly saying the same thing. lol
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I'm not talking about laws. I simple want to hear the defense for the mentally ill being allowed ot own firearms.

If you can't do that, move on, this thread isn't for you.

Man I hit the beehive with this one. LOL
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You sound quite excited by your internet activity. This is also a sign of addiction according to the DSM. Your brain function and excitability are at a heightened level due to internet addiction. Sadly you're also in denial but if you print out this thread and bring it to the doctor they can help.
 Quoting: mkscrewup


Every post you continue to write out and not answer the question proves me correct. Not being able to answer simple questions without thrashing about is certainly a sign of mental illness.

Your silence on the question at hand tells me all I need to know about you.

Noted.
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You would think this thread would be proof enough to show the obvious problem of not allowing mentally ill or those with a history of mental illness. We already have both sides if this argument using the mentally ill excuse as a witch hunt to prove the other side wrong or to imply that one poster or another shouldn't be allowed guns because you can cry witch the loudest.

The reality is most Americans have some form of mental illness and to say it is as clean cut as "if you have anything or anything in your history say goodbye to your gun rights." It's wrong. It furthers the stigma that if you have a mental condition then there is something WRONG with you. These people then will hide their condition and avoid getting help just to avoid the stigma and the negative legal effects of getting help. Eventually these people snap and we have done nothing in the area of figuring out how to prevent these tragedies or how to better respond to them.

It's a premature thought process to think limiting the guns to a category of people will make anyone safer. Now if you background check brings up a history of violent offenses, where the individual has harmed others, they should have to go through an appeals process to show they are no longer a violent individual who can has a high potential of harming others again. To take away someones rights because they are attempting to get help, and have done nothing wrong to anyone, no action whatsoever, is unconstitutional and wrong.

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