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Video games? Really?

 
solar2004

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I have been playing video games ever since I can remember starting with Super Mario Bros. for original 8-bit Nintendo.
I have had a Gameboy, Sega Genesis, Game Gear, Super Nintendo, Gameboy color, Nintendo 64, Xbox, Gamecube, Xbox 360, Wii as well as desktop gaming computers.

Video games over the years have not changed a whole lot other than graphically. Gameplay itself has not changed much either other than different ways to play the game; motion tracking and innovative controllers.

What has changed in gaming?
The biggest change that I have seen in gaming is how accessible it has become. People of all ages young/old play games because of all the different ways and platforms you can play. Example- Facebook, iphones/ipads, consoles (kinetic, wii motion, ps move) and crosswalks *Video below*.

When we play video games we become immersed in the world created by developers and we have a REAL experience. Our brains do not know the difference between a simulated experience (computer/video game) and a real experience. Video games try to simulate the real world the best they can and in doing so they give you a lot of the same emotions or even new feelings, emotions and experiences that can never be possible in the REAL world.

What you put into the game is what you get out of it.
The more focused and engaged in the game you are the more you start making it a part of your immediate reality. You will want to maybe own something of your favorite character or dress up as them. If there is a theme in all the games your play such as fps - shooting games; most likely you will want a gun and see the difference between simulated reality and reality.

Wow ive written a lot. Now for the finale.

People that want to HURT PEOPLE (guns/knives/explosives) like in their simulated reality have serious mental health problems and could probably be seen when they arent playing video games. Back before video games were around this thing still happened and still used the blame game to enforce their agenda.

We live in a BLAME society where nobody wants to step up and take control.

Our society is breaking down (collapsing) before our eyes. We are happy standing by idle; just in case we do something wrong, or say something wrong and have all the BLAME put on you. We are all to blame, so stop blaming each other. We need to work together in this problem and ALL future problems.



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Compared to playing Football which makes one athletic, motivated and violent. Between Football and VIDEO GAMES which results in the biggest potential threat in this context? Clearly we need to ban Football. For the children.
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You honestly, I have never seen the point of Football in school.
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I think theres something a bit gay about excessive male contact sports like American football and Rugby.
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I think there is something terribly pathetic about a person who would rather stay inside all day playing games where they slaughter people - then get online and brag about it. They never even notice that the sun has risen and set during the day.
I do respect those who keep that mess out of their kids lives and let them play sports, music, art....whatever. Do something real, not live in a fake world.
BTW - how can anyone think of slaughtering people as a 'game'? SICK
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Games are mega productions. They can only make them if they sell. They sell because they give people want they want: violence and sex.

Yes, these games are sick. But what is sicker is that they sell millions of them. Tells you a lot about humans, and why we NEED a savior.
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You honestly, I have never seen the point of Football in school.
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I think theres something a bit gay about excessive male contact sports like American football and Rugby.
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I think there is something terribly pathetic about a person who would rather stay inside all day playing games where they slaughter people - then get online and brag about it. They never even notice that the sun has risen and set during the day.
I do respect those who keep that mess out of their kids lives and let them play sports, music, art....whatever. Do something real, not live in a fake world.
BTW - how can anyone think of slaughtering people as a 'game'? SICK
 Quoting: cutetornadoF5

Games are mega productions. They can only make them if they sell. They sell because they give people want they want: violence and sex.

Yes, these games are sick. But what is sicker is that they sell millions of them. Tells you a lot about humans, and why we NEED a savior.
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Yeah lets just burn books also, because all the sudden we've become the judge.
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That statement made me think. Of course we cannot burn or censor anything. There is ALWAYS a choice. The UBIQUITY of video game violence seems to be the issue. If a person chooses to sit down and read gore several hours a day it has to have some type of psychological effect. Just as a good book puts us in this place that drives us to find more good reading.

What kind of person does it take to sit down and consume several hours of shooting people up? I have played those kinds of video games and anyone that values human life has a hard time with those games after a very short period of time.
Desensitization and apathy are bonified psychological issues.
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Yeah lets just burn books also, because all the sudden we've become the judge.
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That statement made me think. Of course we cannot burn or censor anything. There is ALWAYS a choice. The UBIQUITY of video game violence seems to be the issue. If a person chooses to sit down and read gore several hours a day it has to have some type of psychological effect. Just as a good book puts us in this place that drives us to find more good reading.

What kind of person does it take to sit down and consume several hours of shooting people up? I have played those kinds of video games and anyone that values human life has a hard time with those games after a very short period of time.
Desensitization and apathy are bonified psychological issues.
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hf
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Book mark this thread so I wont have to look it up once it inevitably becomes upnpinned.

Awesome post/thread.
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We are all prone to it, lets be honest. I'll tell ya if I wasnt such a fat ass Ida loved to go pimpin my swagger all over Charming California like Jax, Opie, Tig, Elvis, Clay, and Juice and burn up a life in 3 years gettin shot and being a total fuckin badass... shit I wanted a Harley and a patch and my ass was gonna go out there like the Sons swing some guns like a gilindo...what? Back to reality. Dont you see the RACISM in that show? Can you see the overall illustration that violence leads to a really short life? That running guns and drugs is the wrong thing to do? Who REALLY gets the joke? IS there a joke within a video game? Or do we go out there and do it, like Rick Ross, or Romney handling Ricky's loot, or HSBC scrubbin it out. Hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Your body is a Temple, You choose what to put inside the Temple (or do you... )
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Pseudo Surface Observations will tell you that video games are bad.

It's up to how the person uses the video games.

1. to waste time
2. to let out aggressions
3. to develop willpower, efficiency, and situational awareness.

Maybe we should ban chess and checkers.
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To all the old farts who don't understand...

When you were a kid playing war in the yard, killing all your friends with a highly realistic toy gun happily purchased for you by your loving parents, that war was every bit as real and vivid in your minds eye as a videogame screen.

Every pine cone thrown as a grenade exploded with as much impact as a computer generated one in your little imagination.

There's no fucking difference!

SOCIETY has been training young boys for killing via play since... forever!

That's simply a normal biological trait of any predatory animal, kittens play fight to train themselves to hunt... human kids play war... can you even begin to see the big picture here?

It's far bigger than videogames or even gun laws but I doubt even 1% of you will even begin to grasp it.

Scapegoat videogames all you like, ban them outright and when this happens again despite that... will you wake the fuck up then?

I doubt it.
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OMG

Some turds will do anything to keep their sick entertainment and SICKER video games


YES! They scramble kids' heads up!
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Turd brains, parents buy the adult games for children. Maybe think for once and not be stupid? Too much stupidity and ignorance on this forum.
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OMG

Some turds will do anything to keep their sick entertainment and SICKER video games


YES! They scramble kids' heads up!
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Turd brains, parents buy the adult games for children. Maybe think for once and not be stupid? Too much stupidity and ignorance on this forum.
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Maybe parents shouldn't let their television sets raise their kids for them. Fascist.
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Antwand Pearman, who is the CEO and Founder of GamerFitNation, is organizing an online cease fire for this coming Friday, Dec. 21. He wants all gamers to put down the controllers and stop firing virtual bullets to honor those who were killed by real bullets last Friday.

[link to abcnews.go.com]
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That Mario Kart is hardcore. Keep the kids away from it!
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OMG

Some turds will do anything to keep their sick entertainment and SICKER video games


YES! They scramble kids' heads up!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29760064

Turd brains, parents buy the adult games for children. Maybe think for once and not be stupid? Too much stupidity and ignorance on this forum.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30169302


Maybe parents shouldn't let their television sets raise their kids for them. Fascist.
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Maybe some people should realize that no child wants to be up their parents ass or vice versa 24/7.

You idiots seem to think being a parent means being by their side every second of the day. Hate to break this to you but children are people, they like privacy, they like solitude.

A child playing a Mario game for an hour or two a day or watching Blues Clues isn't lost, they aren't going to turn out devilish or evil.

Get a goddamn grip.
And the LORD spake, saying, "First shalt thou take out the Holy Pin, then shalt thou count to three, no more, no less. Three shall be the number thou shalt count, and the number of the counting shall be three. Four shalt thou not count, neither count thou two, excepting that thou then proceed to three. Five is right out. Once the number three, being the third number, be reached, then lobbest thou thy Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch towards thy foe, who being naughty in My sight, shall snuff it." Amen.
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Yeah this is really pissing me off. I'm a gamer as well. I turned on O'Reilly tonight and he has some asshole on telling everyone that video games train us for mass murder. What a load of crap. Millions of people play these games and don't have the urge to go on a killing spree.

All the people who commit mass murder have one thing in common. They are all sick in the head. That is the problem. Not the media. Not Video Games. Not guns.

They are mentally ill and no one will talk about it because it isn't politically correct and all the parents of children with mental illness freak out.

Before I played video games when I was a kid I remember playing soldier with my friends. We didn't have guns we just used our hands and pretended to shoot the bad guys. It's completely natural. It's boys learning how to fight and protect themselves and their families later in life. It's the same as tiger cubs stalking and fighting with each other. They are learning skills they need later in life.

I'm afraid because of this some developers will cave to the rabid left and start making their games politically correct.

MA games are design for adults. If parents are worried about video games they shouldn't be buying adult games for children. It's up to the parents.
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My cousin wrote this and I thought it would be good enough to post here.
I do not play video games and have nothing ageist anyone that does. I prefer to spend my time perusing other things.

In response to Friday's horrors in Newtown, CT, people in the media, and some I've seen on FB, have been referring to "violent video games" as a generic term, and talking about how they are "virtual basic training" for mayhem, as if they brainwashed Adam Lanza to kill two rooms full of kids and adults. Having played video games literally from the time they first hit the home market via "Pong" consoles, and having stuck with the hobby for well over thirty years, I have some thoughts to share.

First, not all video game violence is the same. The narrative context matters. Most games put the player in the role of the "hero" of the story, pit them against something "bad" or "evil" and call upon them to do virtual heroic deeds. That narrative arc is the same one that kids have followed since the dawn of time, with or without computers being involved. We played those same kinds of games outside in the front yards of our neighborhood, shooting pretend guns, throwing pretend grenades, fighting what we imagined to be the "good fight"...without a joystick in sight. And, yes, we also did that on our Atari 2600s, or our Nintendo Entertainment Systems. We imagined ourselves to be heroes engaged in feats of daring-do.

Now, there ARE games where the role you play isn't heroic, or doesn't have to be. Some games allow you to chose how good or how bad you're going to be (the Fallout series, for instance, or the Elder Scrolls games, or Infamous and Infamous 2). Others essentially give you no choice but to be SOME degree of bad, like the Grand Theft Auto series (GTA for short).

For the longest time, I absolutely refused to play any of the GTA games, because I don't like criminals, and don't personally approve of pretending to be a criminal. Certainly not with random bystander violence thrown in to boot. I did finally relent and snag a copy of GTA IV when it went on sale, because I wanted to see what everybody was so ga-ga about. I stopped playing after maybe ten hours. Just didn't like being forced to be a damned criminal. Plenty of gamers DO enjoy that, millions of them, in fact. But it's not my cup of tea.

The "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare" games that some have been name-dropping lately (they mostly just say Call of Duty, but those are the games they mean) put you in the role of a soldier, most of the time either American or British but sometimes a Russian soldier finding against an ultranationalist faction in his country. For the most part these games are another version of heroic roleplay, with the exception being one level that I understand is included in the second "Call of Duty: Modern Warfare" where you have to play along during a terrorist attack on an airport. That level was controversial, and the game gave the option of skipping it altogether. On the whole, however, the game wanted you to be the "good guy" shooting lots of "bad guys."

Now what does any of this have to do with a mass murderer like Adam Lanza? People say that video games indoctrinated him to do what he did...but have they pointed out any games where players are rewarded for shooting up a school? Have they shown you a popular series of games where rampages against the innocent are par for the course? Call of Duty: Modern Warfare isn't such a series. Grand Theft Auto could possibly be considered such, given the open chances to run people over, blow up their cars, etc. But if that's the case, and if those games are supposedly altering the thinking of the people who play them, we'd see MILLIONS of Adam Lanzas, because millions upon millions of copies of those games have been sold.

In tort law, when you talk about something being unreasonably dangerous, you look at the likelihood that a given harm is going to occur because of that object/thing, and you look at the severity of the harm, balanced against the social utility of the accused item. You also have to look at whether the harm in question was foreseeable to the people who made, sold, or used the accused item. (Naturally, there's more to it, but I'm not writing a Torts textbook here).

What is the likelihood of video games causing anyone to act out violently? The same as for heavy metal, or Dungeons and Dragons, or Marilyn Manson: virtually nil. Compare the number of consumers of those products, against the number of incidents. You can't even derive a useful percentage, it's so small.

What is the magnitude of harm? Tremendous, if we're really talking about mass murders like what happened in Newtown.

But was any of that foreseeable to the makers of the games? Is there any reason a game developer should be concerned that creating a vivid gaming experience will cause mass murder? I would say no. There's never been a proven correlation between the games someone plays and the actions they later take. Think of it this way: the video game industry generates more revenue than either Hollywood or the record industry. It's well past ten billion a year. Millions of games sold to millions of players. But how many mass killings? One, two per year? A handful more in a worse year?

When horrific incidents like the Newtown massacre take place, we want answers. We want to make sense of it. Blame the music. Blame Dungeons and Dragons. Blame video games. Point out that the killer was from some fringe segment of the population, the goths, the loners, the geeks, the recluses. Make sure he's seen as being separate and apart from the rest of society. Because if he's NOT, if in fact he comes from the very HEART of our society, from a town like ours, a family we can recognize as not too different from our own, that's a very scary thought indeed. And we don't want scary. We want easy. We want comforting. So we look for the scapegoat.

I'm a geek. And a gamer. And I've been part of the so-called "Goth" scene in my own way. Hell, for that matter, I listened to heavy metal in the 80s, and I played D&D. People like me aren't the problem. We're no stranger than any other group of fans, be they diehard sports lovers who know all the stats from the American League of the 1960s, or history buffs who have the timeline of the French Revolution memorized to the day, or music lovers that know all the backing band members from Muscle Shoals by heart. We're just...people. With highs and lows, and deeds both good and bad to our names.

I will not be scapegoated. I will not allow others like me to be scapegoated. Focus on the REAL problems, not the superficial stuff that you THINK is the problem.
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It's called desensitizing to violence and it is real. Combined with none stop violence in all forms of entertainment it creates a mind completely disconnected from the real world. Death becomes second nature. Have you ever heard someone say that they feel more when they see a dead dog then a dead human...that's called case and point.
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But it doesn't desensitize you to violence, because it isn't real violence. I've been playing video games literally my whole life (18 years) and it doesn't make you become used to death or violence. The first time I ever saw a fight up close I had an adrenaline dump for like an hour, and the first time I saw a dead person I was freaked out for a few weeks.

A lot of kids that play games too much do become assholes, but they never become violent unless there's someone half their size they can pick on (like a brother). Even then if you punch them in the face they run off screaming, I've seen it happen several times.

A lot of games helped open my eyes too actually, taught me things I would've otherwise learned the hard way when it comes to the evils of this world.
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i have experiance violence in video games and really i have 0 reaction to it.

i had a dream recently that i saw one of my cat being blow up to pieces by some sort of grenade.

I had chills like i never had! i was total Jello.

But it was a dream... it was not real! was it?

why is it that dreams can invoke more Reality then Realist video games?

Becasue a video game is only Image and sound!

Dreams can imitate everything else! Odors, textures, emotions, etc...
To live is to believe in the power of dreams! To dream is to believe in the power of love! To love is to Know the truth!
The Desire to Be fuel the belief that you Are which ignite the Will to Become which bring back forth the desire to be...
Let it be-come you! It means Stop seeking your higher self! It is seeking you! Stand still in your mind to calm the waters of your mind and then it shall find you, so you can ride those waves together!
your true self lies somewhere between your heart and your consciousness. It is called the heart consciousness,which is the creator, which is you!
The heart create the emotions and our mind evoke its purpose, from which we dream the life we live in order to imagine the nature of reality and finally remember love!

The highest Purpose of our mind is the ability to Forget! Go on and Forgive yourself!
There is no love in truth but there is truth in love!
Be authentic, nobody else can do it for you!
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i have experiance violence in video games and really i have 0 reaction to it.

i had a dream recently that i saw one of my cat being blow up to pieces by some sort of grenade.

I had chills like i never had! i was total Jello.

But it was a dream... it was not real! was it?

why is it that dreams can invoke more Reality then Realist video games?

Becasue a video game is only Image and sound!

Dreams can imitate everything else! Odors, textures, emotions, etc...
 Quoting: Blitz the storm-striker


yes
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i have experiance violence in video games and really i have 0 reaction to it.

i had a dream recently that i saw one of my cat being blow up to pieces by some sort of grenade.

I had chills like i never had! i was total Jello.

But it was a dream... it was not real! was it?

why is it that dreams can invoke more Reality then Realist video games?

Becasue a video game is only Image and sound!

Dreams can imitate everything else! Odors, textures, emotions, etc...
 Quoting: Blitz the storm-striker


Exactly! It doesn't desensitize you to violence/death in the real world, or in your case when you think it is real. Me and my friends all play video games fairly regularly and we're all very non violent people. The only guy I hang out with that's violent at all is like that because he grew up in a really shitty household. He's not a violent guy at all either due to having a good brain and learning how stupid it is to fight about everything. He just love MMA and watching fights in general, but he's one of the last people you'll see throw a punch out of rage.