Waco = Heavily armed populous, yet still got their asses handed to them by the government.

Well, our founders used the idea of this before they wrote it - US colonists were out gunned by the British - but we won as a total force. Your anti-constitutional agenda has no basis in fact, just liberal bull shit

It's in the aggregate. We still have the least tyranical government in the world. Yeah, the people at Waco lost(and they were creepy, so good), but what if the government TRULY got tyranical, and said "all the colored people and jews, line em up and shoot them" and tried to confiscate all property, etc....

Well, the government would have to deal with 1 million Waco's. They can win one, for sure. They can win 100. They can't win 1 million.

Trying to be truly tyranical to an armed populace wouldn't work...so they aren't tyranical.

The correct spelling is ''populace''.

Hope your neighbor places this sign in his yard:

You stupid little mental midget bitch...you changed the subject..not I.

Answer the fucking question....Can you show us ONE incident of the 2nd amendment preventing tyranny?

ANSWER NOW!

Dumbass op. If you knew anything about the first day you would know that the only reason any atf agents got out alive after they ran out of ammo was because the Waco folks let them retreat. Do some research

Keep on payin' those taxes, y'all!

Lib "logic" just does not result as they hope

LOL!!!

You think so??

Fuck, it takes the IQ of a jock strap to be mod here, doesn't it?

It was because of Waco and the death of 74 men women and children that two men completely destroyed the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, The Oklahoma blast claimed 168 lives, including 19 children under the age of 6 so the whole situation was a total loss all the way around that is 242 people that needlessly died, and we still don't know if the Branch Davidians broke any laws to start this terrible carnage. If the government starts a war with 50 million Americans the outcome will not be good no matter how it turns out.

NO ONE CAN SHOW ONE INSTANCE OF THE 2ND AMENDMENT PREVENTING GOV'T TYRANNY!

Guntards = LOSE AGAIN!

it took 3 weeks to kill 1000 prisoners in the middleast in one compund that used it all jdams everything known to man but those 1000 only ak47's remeber the alamo?

Wrong they kicked ass in the initial enagagement, the governmetn then upped the ante an brought in Armoured personal carriers and tanks and professional soldiers.

The ATF were armatures in comparison to the HRT.

If the Branch Davidians had SA18 shoulder fired missles and anti-tank weapons it would have evened the score a little, for awhile until they would have been bombed by laser guided high altitude bombs...

Guys, I'm against gun control as much as the next, but op is right. Yes, us having guns have prevented the gov from taking over quicker than they have, but the fact of the matter is they still have and we have let them. We shouldn't took up against the gov way back then. Just the mere thought that are freedoms are being blasted, tsa is assaulting us and we still havent done anything, doesn't make the future look bright.

Because when the tyranny gets bad enough, an armed populace can rise up and kill the scumbag government and the piece of shit goons and military assholes protecting them, while cowards like yourself stand around like useless stupid pussies. Are you really that stupid? Look at what the Vietnam gooks did to the big bad US government and their war machine.

If and when the SHTF - folks without guns will be the first to die or forced into FEMA camps. SHEEP!

Look at what the Afghanistan taliban and rebels are still doing to the US bad ass government and will do until they finally get their ass out of there.

u cant control by force only by emotions

The Battle of Athens for starters.

Good, OP is a trolling mindless lil 15yo shitbag. Very annoying, the kind of person you just want to punch through the phone line.

LOL. Send the phone spiders!!

Thanks Chip - he is sniffing too much glue to think nonsense and spew it out on here with most of us conservative and lovers of the Constitution

Since you apparently have the intelligence to recognize Government tyranny, why can you not see that which yet restrains it?

American's belief in the rights illuminated by the Second Amendment are about all that inhibits the progress of evil in this country.

Firearms Prohibition will not protect society from acts of mental illness. It will however make society all that more vulnerable to the violence of mentally illness.

The Second Amendment is not about "Hunting Rights". It addresses Societies right to defend itself from Government tyranny. As such, any weapon available to the Government is by natural default also the right of the citizen to possess. Now isn't that a frightening thought...

American Society has already, and for some time, tolerated various violations to the Second Amendment. Yet all we have seen is a growth of Government Tyranny and a lessening of personal safety.



Last Edited by DataSponge on 12/17/2012 08:52 PM

OP was fishing for "extremists". looking to ensnare someone in the trap.

he must be FBI, Federal Bureau of Instigation.

Last Edited by Anonymous Cowherder on 12/17/2012 08:56 PM

They were outnumbered and holed up in one spot. Surefire lose. It would take a great number of armed and coordinated citizens to have an effect and you don't see that happening like The Patriot.

OP

Eat your words now.

There were TWO FAMOUS EVENTS in recent American history where armed U.S. citizens faced down corrupt local and state law enforcement, until justice was done, and true democracy prevailed, rather than lawless thuggery, imposed by government.

Both stories were made into movie docudramas.

#1 - "The Battle of Athens" - in Tennessee in 1946 (Movie produced in 1992.)

#2 - "The Phenix City Story" - in Alabama in 1954 (Movie produced in 1955.)

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FIRST --

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The Battle of Athens (sometimes called the McMinn County War) was a rebellion led by citizens in Athens and Etowah, Tennessee, United States, against the local government in August 1946. The citizens, including some World War II veterans, accused the local officials of political corruption and voter intimidation.

The event is sometimes cited by firearms ownership advocates as an example of the value of the Second Amendment in combating tyranny.

SECOND --

[link to en.wikipedia.org]

The story concerns the 1954 assassination of Albert Patterson, who had just been elected Alabama Attorney General on a platform of cleaning up Phenix City, Alabama, a city controlled by organized crime. Patterson was murdered in Phenix City, and the subsequent outcry resulted in the imposition of martial law on the city by the state government.

The film based on these events opens with a 13-minute newsreel-style preface including the late T.V. news anchorman and reporter in Los Angeles, Clete Roberts, interviewing many of the actual participants.

The problems grew out of the presence of Fort Benning, Georgia, across the river, and the nearly century-long existence of vice dens in the area.

So many soldiers from Fort Benning were robbed, beaten and murdered there that at one time the post's commander, Gen. George S. Patton, threatened to take his tanks into the city and clean it out himself if the state didn't do something about it. (Patton was shortly thereafter transferred, and the city remained the haven for gambling, prostitution and drug dealing that it had been.)

There's more...

Here's a comment on IMDB from someone who knew about the events firsthand:

The person writes:


I'm surprised that more people are not aware of this story which climaxed with no less than the murder of the Democratic nominee for Attorney General of Alabama at the time when said nomination was tantamount to election. That the election of Albert Patterson scared the local criminal syndicate into that kind of move is almost unprecedented. The only other example I can think of something like this occurring was in the early years of the last century when Special Prosecutor Francis J. Heney was shot and wounded while he was investigated the corrupt city machine in San Francisco.

After a brief documentary introduction by CBS news reporter Clete Roberts of actual Phenix City residents, the story begins with the Pattersons, father John McIntire and son Richard Kiley getting reluctantly involved in the fight to clean up their town which is notorious for being a wide open cesspool of vice and corruption. It's pointed out that Phenix City is across from Columbus, Georgia and thirty minutes from Fort Benning. A certain amount of vice and corruption will inevitably settle there in towns that cater to the military and the pleasures the service people will seek off duty.

But Phenix City has gotten way out of hand and it's become a state embarrassment to the people of Alabama. Which is why John McIntire wins that primary leading the way to the unheard of events that followed. Let's just say that what happens here was contemplated, but never done in Chicago during the days of Al Capone.

The cast also includes Kathryn Grant as a young woman working as an informer in one of the clubs, Lenka Patterson as Kiley's loyal, but concerned wife, Edward Andrews and John Larch as brains and muscle behind the syndicate. It also includes James Edwards and Helen Martin whose child is killed when Edwards helps Kiley. With I might add the appropriate feeling one might have for a small black girl in Alabama of the Fifties.

After the action of this film John Patterson took his dad's place as Attorney General and did put an end to the corruption of Phenix City. In 1958 he ran for Governor and won, but contrary to what you might think ran on a strict segregationist platform. His main primary opponent taking the more moderate racial position was George C. Wallace. That never happened again, Wallace saw to that.

And Patterson is still alive and in 2008 was a supporter of Barack Obama for president. Truth can really be stranger than fiction.

The Phenix City Story is a hard hitting, pulling no punches documentary style of a family's fight against corruption. Try to see it when next broadcast.

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So, you asked for it, OP.

You got it.

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Yeah, these Government Assassins are pretty darn good at shooting people in the back, and assaulting women and little kids.

Let me tell you something about Ruby Ridge ass clown.

The 14 year old boy Sammy was shot in the back by BATF.
(Killed running away)

The boys dog was shot through the ass by the BATF.
(Killed Running Away)

The friend Kevin was shot in the back (shoulder) by a BATF sniper.

The Dad Randy was shot in the back by a BATF sniper.

The unarmed woman, the mother was shot in the face by a BATF sniper.

The BATF agent killed, was shot in the back by his own BATF swat team member.

This was either a "friendly fire" incident, but more likely this was an assassination of a "Highly Decorated" officer, (a non NWO guy) and the Patsy was Weaver and his family.

There was never intended to be ANY survivors, but the BATF plan went sideways.

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As for WACO you need to see the FLIR camera images of BATF assassins shooting unarmed victims at the WACCO compound. The film "What Happened at Waco" tells the story.

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I think you should all give up your guns,

Carry a jar of lubricant around at all times,

Stretch out your butt-hole so Psychopaths WITH GUNS can butt-rape your ass anytime they want.

Watch quietly, and not say anything when giant buildings disolve into their own footprint at free-fall speed.

Bend over, and drop your drawers, when ordered to by your masters.

Take your medications as ordered by your masters.

Believe without question when your masters tell you something.

Following up on The Battle of Athens and The Phenix City Story events --

These are true stories which should be taught to our kids in school.

You gotta feel sorry for OP.

He has been deprived of the truth his whole life.

Thanks Italy AC

HOW ABOUT 1776 I THINK THAT'S AN EXAMPLE OF GUN RITES BEING USED TO DEFEAT A TYRANNICAL GOVERNMENT.