Russia is stepping in, and US leaving Syria. Obama style | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 1379065 12/18/2012 09:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Russia was defeated when it was the most powerful country in the world by a ragtag muslim army! And it will be again...them bears never learn...must hit them with a stick once in a while so they remember they are just bears... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30219016 Russia was not the most powerful country in the world in 1979..nor has it ever been. |
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| MHz User ID: 25505891 12/18/2012 09:27 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Russia was defeated when it was the most powerful country in the world by a ragtag muslim army! And it will be again...them bears never learn...must hit them with a stick once in a while so they remember they are just bears... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30219016 Ragtags don't get get stingers and other arms given to them, especially 6 months before any 'invasion'. You do know the ones that the US supported are the ones that were throwing acid in the faces of women that went dressed Western style right? At least own up to that fact. (in part) Zbigniew Brzezinski: How Jimmy Carter and I Started the Mujahideen by Alexander Cockburn And Jeffrey St. Clair Q: The former director of the CIA, Robert Gates, stated in his memoirs ["From the Shadows"], that American intelligence services began to aid the Mujahadeen in Afghanistan 6 months before the Soviet intervention. In this period you were the national security adviser to President Carter. You therefore played a role in this affair. Is that correct? Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of history, CIA aid to the Mujahadeen began during 1980, that is to say, after the Soviet army invaded Afghanistan, 24 Dec 1979. But the reality, secretly guarded until now, is completely otherwise: Indeed, it was July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed the first directive for secret aid to the opponents of the pro-Soviet regime in Kabul. And that very day, I wrote a note to the president in which I explained to him that in my opinion this aid was going to induce a Soviet military intervention. Q: Despite this risk, you were an advocate of this covert action. But perhaps you yourself desired this Soviet entry into war and looked to provoke it? Brzezinski: It isn’t quite that. We didn’t push the Russians to intervene, but we knowingly increased the probability that they would. Q: When the Soviets justified their intervention by asserting that they intended to fight against a secret involvement of the United States in Afghanistan, people didn’t believe them. However, there was a basis of truth. You don’t regret anything today? Brzezinski: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. It had the effect of drawing the Russians into the Afghan trap and you want me to regret it? The day that the Soviets officially crossed the border, I wrote to President Carter: We now have the opportunity of giving to the USSR its Vietnam war. Indeed, for almost 10 years, Moscow had to carry on a war unsupportable by the government, a conflict that brought about the demoralization and finally the breakup of the Soviet empire. [link to www.counterpunch.org] |
| insertfunnyusername User ID: 30138009 12/18/2012 09:28 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Syria’s UN ambassador is warning that extremist groups could use chemical weapons against the Syrian people and blame the government. [link to jordantimes.com] |
| MHz User ID: 25505891 12/18/2012 09:31 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Russia was defeated when it was the most powerful country in the world by a ragtag muslim army! And it will be again...them bears never learn...must hit them with a stick once in a while so they remember they are just bears... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30219016 Russia was not the most powerful country in the world in 1979..nor has it ever been. They found out you become stronger when defense is your priority. (defense from a real threat unlike what the war0hawkd in the US and Israel promote as 'danger'. For those two to be in danger means billions spend on the military is a fucking waste of money, let alone it getting more expensive every month. |
| Limpan (OP) User ID: 1474973 12/18/2012 09:36 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Syria’s UN ambassador is warning that extremist groups could use chemical weapons against the Syrian people and blame the government. Quoting: insertfunnyusername [link to jordantimes.com] Something will happen soooner or later. Make your pick |
| insertfunnyusername User ID: 30138009 12/18/2012 09:43 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just great... Just to coold here, need some warmer weather, maybe i will go to greece soon... Quoting: Limpan Welcome anytime mate, although northern part of the country was a bit cold for Greek standards the past weeks, but not Sweden-style cold for sure. Miss the summer and the beaches already. Syria’s UN ambassador is warning that extremist groups could use chemical weapons against the Syrian people and blame the government. Quoting: insertfunnyusername [link to jordantimes.com] Something will happen soooner or later. Make your pick I agree. They've played the chem card too much to just waste it now. Report: US working with Turkey to monitor Syrian chemicals [link to www.todayszaman.com] US, UK training Syrian militants in Jordan: Report [link to www.presstv.ir] |
| Limpan (OP) User ID: 1474973 12/18/2012 09:48 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Just great... Just to coold here, need some warmer weather, maybe i will go to greece soon... Quoting: Limpan Welcome anytime mate, although northern part of the country was a bit cold for Greek standards the past weeks, but not Sweden-style cold for sure. Miss the summer and the beaches already. The beach and a Gyro with a cold beer. THAT IS LIFE!!! Syria’s UN ambassador is warning that extremist groups could use chemical weapons against the Syrian people and blame the government. Quoting: insertfunnyusername [link to jordantimes.com] Something will happen soooner or later. Make your pick I agree. They've played the chem card too much to just waste it now. Report: US working with Turkey to monitor Syrian chemicals [link to www.todayszaman.com] US, UK training Syrian militants in Jordan: Report [link to www.presstv.ir] |
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| insertfunnyusername User ID: 30138009 12/18/2012 10:34 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Two Russians abducted in Syria: Lavrov [link to www.dailystar.com.lb] |
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| insertfunnyusername User ID: 30138009 12/18/2012 11:31 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Clashes rage between Syrian rebels, pro-government Palestinian fighters in Damascus camp [link to www.washingtonpost.com] Wounded, starving crowd ill-equipped Damascus hospital [link to www.dailystar.com.lb] |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 16213681 12/18/2012 11:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wish Russia would step in which I doubt they will. Word is russia is clearing their own citizens (soldiers too?) from syria. Be surprised if Putin doesn't allow occupation of their 10-years-in-development port. Nothing russia can do (imo) without being sucked into a vortex of wwIII. Strategically BRICs are each getting vasectomies to make them impotent as an economy. We're watching Putin making deals in unthreatened/ing countries bypassing confrontations with the u.s./uk/israel cabal. Even if Putin chooses (wisely/unwisely) cutting his losses I doubt the Cabal will leave it at that and continue to humiliate Russia. Syria is weaker than iran, so of course current u.s. target of choice for taking down. Iran last after 'resecuring' iraq. |
| insertfunnyusername User ID: 30138009 12/18/2012 11:34 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thanks, just waiting for Friday's "Apocalypse" fail, have to wonder what all the doomers are going to say when nothing happens. Quoting: John Holmes 25015863 You mean we...we...are not all gonna die??? Friday it's the beginning and not the end. Last Edited by insertfunnyusername on 12/18/2012 11:34 AM |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 29852170 12/18/2012 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I wonder why he would say that... LOL Quoting: Limpan Iranian deputy foreign minister says he doubts Assad's government will fall soon in Syria happy holidays my friend!! I wish you the same Thanks, just waiting for Friday's "Apocalypse" fail, have to wonder what all the doomers are going to say when nothing happens. so nothing is already happening?? |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 16213681 12/18/2012 11:46 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't forget that on 1 Jan 2013, the military loses a lot of their budget. That would be a very good reason to withdraw. Quoting: Billxam you got a point I'm having a hard time believing u.s. is taking it's eyes off syria. Not in your life. Who really believes the u.s. will not attempt and succeed shutting down russia's earned interests there, especially routes to the entire m.e. as well as syria. As we've seen so often, withdrawal is for appearances only. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22065826 12/18/2012 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't forget that on 1 Jan 2013, the military loses a lot of their budget. That would be a very good reason to withdraw. Quoting: Billxam you got a point I'm having a hard time believing u.s. is taking it's eyes off syria. Not in your life. Who really believes the u.s. will not attempt and succeed shutting down russia's earned interests there, especially routes to the entire m.e. as well as syria. As we've seen so often, withdrawal is for appearances only. Tactical... when the real shit happens the big boats won't be in the Med |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 16213681 12/18/2012 12:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't forget that on 1 Jan 2013, the military loses a lot of their budget. That would be a very good reason to withdraw. Quoting: Billxam you got a point I'm having a hard time believing u.s. is taking it's eyes off syria. Not in your life. Who really believes the u.s. will not attempt and succeed shutting down russia's earned interests there, especially routes to the entire m.e. as well as syria. As we've seen so often, withdrawal is for appearances only. Tactical... when the real shit happens the big boats won't be in the Med Not sure what you mean. Although syria has fought with strong resistance to staged implanted 'revolutionaries' they're not doing so well by recent accounts in the m.e.. I'm assuming that momentum against them will continue to have the upper hand. I don't know a lot about this, but this appears to be setting up for occupation and of course not by 'revolutionaries'. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 22065826 12/18/2012 12:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I'm having a hard time believing u.s. is taking it's eyes off syria. Not in your life. Who really believes the u.s. will not attempt and succeed shutting down russia's earned interests there, especially routes to the entire m.e. as well as syria. As we've seen so often, withdrawal is for appearances only. Tactical... when the real shit happens the big boats won't be in the Med Not sure what you mean. Although syria has fought with strong resistance to staged implanted 'revolutionaries' they're not doing so well by recent accounts in the m.e.. I'm assuming that momentum against them will continue to have the upper hand. I don't know a lot about this, but this appears to be setting up for occupation and of course not by 'revolutionaries'. Sorry sir, Syria is busy at the moment.. If you hadn't heard it..the med is a death trap. Better this way.. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 25140151 12/18/2012 01:11 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't forget that on 1 Jan 2013, the military loses a lot of their budget. That would be a very good reason to withdraw. Quoting: Billxam you got a point I'm having a hard time believing u.s. is taking it's eyes off syria. Not in your life. Who really believes the u.s. will not attempt and succeed shutting down russia's earned interests there, especially routes to the entire m.e. as well as syria. As we've seen so often, withdrawal is for appearances only. Yes, I agree (per the US not taking their eyes off Syria). This seeming (taking away two Carriers from theater), I think is primarily a way for US/NATO to, politically, say ("see, we were actually "deescalating" the tensions - and were prepared to walk away - and indeed were, walking away".) So in essence, this may play toward seeming, "plausible - deniability" (as the war soon turns hot, and on a dime). And on the "funding" issue (should an "agreement" cave in or fail, before January 1)...I think it's important to know that, even if that happens, it won't effect current deployment of funds - it only could effect monies, "down the road" per subsequent budgeting; again, not current dispursements. Praise God forever |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 16213681 12/18/2012 01:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Don't forget that on 1 Jan 2013, the military loses a lot of their budget. That would be a very good reason to withdraw. Quoting: Billxam you got a point I'm having a hard time believing u.s. is taking it's eyes off syria. Not in your life. Who really believes the u.s. will not attempt and succeed shutting down russia's earned interests there, especially routes to the entire m.e. as well as syria. As we've seen so often, withdrawal is for appearances only. Yes, I agree (per the US not taking their eyes off Syria). This seeming (taking away two Carriers from theater), I think is primarily a way for US/NATO to, politically, say ("see, we were actually "deescalating" the tensions - and were prepared to walk away - and indeed were, walking away".) So in essence, this may play toward seeming, "plausible - deniability" (as the war soon turns hot, and on a dime). And on the "funding" issue (should an "agreement" cave in or fail, before January 1)...I think it's important to know that, even if that happens, it won't effect current deployment of funds - it only could effect monies, "down the road" per subsequent budgeting; again, not current dispursements. Praise God forever Just as you can be sure the u.s. will somehow find the money for israel under the couch cushions, They're not going to take their eyes off the weakest member of a fleeing herd in the m.e. which is Syria. C'mon now they're not that dumb. Yet here most everybody shortsighted and literal about business as usual routine liars, ie., anyone in d.c. with their mouth open. |