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Anonymous Coward User ID: 628775 Canada 12/18/2012 10:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If we're ever going to have any kind of rational discussion about this, we need to all be on the same page on what we're actually talking about. If you insist on being part of these threads about gun control, at least educate yourself first so you don't look like a complete idiot. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1055574 For those who continue to show their ignorance on this subject, PLEASE watch the video. It's not that long and you might actually learn something that will help you in your cause. Or continue to be ignorant, continue to use the wrong words, continue to be scared, and continue to fail because you refuse to educate yourself. Ok, I watched the vid, it didn't change my mind. The problem with guns is that they are often used on innocents, be it a curious kid that accidentally shoots themselves or other playmates, or used on a spouse during an argument or taken by a mentally unstable person and used on others. The number of times it is actually used to prevent a crime is so minimal it's a joke. Keep on selling the idea of gun culture to yourselves, just keep the handguns on your side of the border. We are done with the problems that the smuggling of illegal weapons from the US is causing us. While it's true that guns don't kill people, people kill other people using guns and it's much easier to commit mass murder using a gun than a baseball bat or other weapon. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1055574 United States 12/18/2012 10:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If we're ever going to have any kind of rational discussion about this, we need to all be on the same page on what we're actually talking about. If you insist on being part of these threads about gun control, at least educate yourself first so you don't look like a complete idiot. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1055574 For those who continue to show their ignorance on this subject, PLEASE watch the video. It's not that long and you might actually learn something that will help you in your cause. Or continue to be ignorant, continue to use the wrong words, continue to be scared, and continue to fail because you refuse to educate yourself. They don't want to be educated. Discussing firearms with these folks is like trying to explain quantum physics to my bulldog. "Ignorance is bliss" as the saying goes. It's too bad... if people weren't so willfully ignorant of reality and facts, we might actually be able to make progress on this issue. If all people want to do is disinform and lie, we won't be making any real progress at all. |
jadksn User ID: 9544901 United States 12/18/2012 10:10 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | LOL @ those saying we need assault rifles to protect us from law enforcement. If law enforcement ever came to your house, you wouldn't do anything. If you happened to shoot and kill an officer, you would get the death penalty. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27644686 I don't know what you morons think. I lmao imagining you guys fantasize about going on the run with your guns, like some movie character! HAHAHAHAH It's a straw man. Lawful gun owners have no intention of attacking police. No shit. I was referring to the recent case where an off-duty cop broke into a person's house with the intention of robbing them. Murder is not okay, protecting yourself from people with unknown motives is. Of course. A person breaking into your home is a violent criminal, and should be dealt with as such. Which happens daily in the US, and lawful gun owners act appropriately. I don't want anyone to misconstrue what I said as a call to attack police officers. I'm just saying, these things do happen. A cop snuck in through someones doggy-door with the intent of robbing her... If firearms are banned altogether, you can see this happening on a larger scale. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1055574 United States 12/18/2012 10:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If we're ever going to have any kind of rational discussion about this, we need to all be on the same page on what we're actually talking about. If you insist on being part of these threads about gun control, at least educate yourself first so you don't look like a complete idiot. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1055574 For those who continue to show their ignorance on this subject, PLEASE watch the video. It's not that long and you might actually learn something that will help you in your cause. Or continue to be ignorant, continue to use the wrong words, continue to be scared, and continue to fail because you refuse to educate yourself. Ok, I watched the vid, it didn't change my mind. The problem with guns is that they are often used on innocents, be it a curious kid that accidentally shoots themselves or other playmates, or used on a spouse during an argument or taken by a mentally unstable person and used on others. The number of times it is actually used to prevent a crime is so minimal it's a joke. Keep on selling the idea of gun culture to yourselves, just keep the handguns on your side of the border. We are done with the problems that the smuggling of illegal weapons from the US is causing us. While it's true that guns don't kill people, people kill other people using guns and it's much easier to commit mass murder using a gun than a baseball bat or other weapon. I appreciate you watching it. I wasn't trying to "change your mind" - I was trying to educate people. Now maybe you'll at least know and use the correct terminology when referring to the things you want to ban. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30227474 Germany 12/18/2012 10:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If we're ever going to have any kind of rational discussion about this, we need to all be on the same page on what we're actually talking about. If you insist on being part of these threads about gun control, at least educate yourself first so you don't look like a complete idiot. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1055574 For those who continue to show their ignorance on this subject, PLEASE watch the video. It's not that long and you might actually learn something that will help you in your cause. Or continue to be ignorant, continue to use the wrong words, continue to be scared, and continue to fail because you refuse to educate yourself. Ok, I watched the vid, it didn't change my mind. The problem with guns is that they are often used on innocents, be it a curious kid that accidentally shoots themselves or other playmates, or used on a spouse during an argument or taken by a mentally unstable person and used on others. The number of times it is actually used to prevent a crime is so minimal it's a joke. Keep on selling the idea of gun culture to yourselves, just keep the handguns on your side of the border. We are done with the problems that the smuggling of illegal weapons from the US is causing us. While it's true that guns don't kill people, people kill other people using guns and it's much easier to commit mass murder using a gun than a baseball bat or other weapon. "The number of times it is actually used to prevent a crime is so minimal it's a joke." No, actually it happens daily across the US, many times over. If smuggling is done across your border, that's a Canadian issue for them to deal with. Entirely your problem. If you don't wish to own a firearm, simple solution; don't buy one. But your opinions are irrelevant to American law. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 5915501 United States 12/18/2012 10:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | These commie bastards do not feel the need to hide in the wood work any more. These people make me sick. Nazi Germany replay. They will be disarming us and rounding up the mentally ill soon...real soon. These pukes are calling for the warehousing of the mentally ill even though it was shown to be a complete and utter failure in the past...even though there are millions of mentally ill that are completely non-violent. These pukes fail to acknowledge that the mentally ill shooters in these past few cases have been the children of the elite so obviously treatment availability is not the problem. These crazy assholes have every treatment option available to them... Maybe that is the root of the problem but big pharma will never let that debate see the light of day. God help us all. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30227474 Germany 12/18/2012 10:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | For those who continue to show their ignorance on this subject, PLEASE watch the video. It's not that long and you might actually learn something that will help you in your cause. Or continue to be ignorant, continue to use the wrong words, continue to be scared, and continue to fail because you refuse to educate yourself. They don't want to be educated. Discussing firearms with these folks is like trying to explain quantum physics to my bulldog. "Ignorance is bliss" as the saying goes. It's too bad... if people weren't so willfully ignorant of reality and facts, we might actually be able to make progress on this issue. If all people want to do is disinform and lie, we won't be making any real progress at all. It's not possible to make progress with emotional folks. Emotion blocks out all reason. To them, an airplane cannot fly, as metal is heavier than air. To discuss the science of it just leaves them bewildered. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 21054665 United States 12/18/2012 10:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | LOL @ those saying we need assault rifles to protect us from law enforcement. If law enforcement ever came to your house, you wouldn't do anything. If you happened to shoot and kill an officer, you would get the death penalty. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27644686 I don't know what you morons think. I lmao imagining you guys fantasize about going on the run with your guns, like some movie character! HAHAHAHAH Pretty much this. Do you guys really think you will be more prepared than the "law," if they turn against the people? If they are storming your house, you will lose; and you are likely not to take any of them out. Yes, this does suck, but it is the truth about the matter. I have no problems with the law or the police. Neither do I. Its just a comment for those that are saying they need them to protect themselves from the police and military. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30227474 Germany 12/18/2012 10:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My local conservative radio station, the one that plays the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, is basically calling for a ban on semi-automatic rifles. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5915501 These commie bastards do not feel the need to hide in the wood work any more. These people make me sick. Nazi Germany replay. They will be disarming us Only point I have is, the Nazis did not disarm Germany. The firearms laws were actually liberalized in Germany at the time. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 5915501 United States 12/18/2012 10:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My local conservative radio station, the one that plays the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, is basically calling for a ban on semi-automatic rifles. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5915501 These commie bastards do not feel the need to hide in the wood work any more. These people make me sick. Nazi Germany replay. They will be disarming us Only point I have is, the Nazis did not disarm Germany. The firearms laws were actually liberalized in Germany at the time. They disarmed the people they intended to kill: One of the first legal measures issued was an order by Heinrich Himmler, commander of all German police, forbidding Jews to possess any weapons whatever and imposing a penalty of twenty years confinement in a concentration camp upon every Jew found in possession of a weapon hereafter. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 23524705 United States 12/18/2012 10:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My local conservative radio station, the one that plays the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, is basically calling for a ban on semi-automatic rifles. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5915501 These commie bastards do not feel the need to hide in the wood work any more. These people make me sick. Nazi Germany replay. They will be disarming us Only point I have is, the Nazis did not disarm Germany. The firearms laws were actually liberalized in Germany at the time. The populations subject to mass murder were disarmed for sure. Gun-registration laws were passed by pre-nazi law-makers, and the lists of gun owners were used to remove guns from the german-jews and poles who were subsequently murdered. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30227474 Germany 12/18/2012 10:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My local conservative radio station, the one that plays the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, is basically calling for a ban on semi-automatic rifles. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5915501 These commie bastards do not feel the need to hide in the wood work any more. These people make me sick. Nazi Germany replay. They will be disarming us Only point I have is, the Nazis did not disarm Germany. The firearms laws were actually liberalized in Germany at the time. The populations subject to mass murder were disarmed for sure. Gun-registration laws were passed by pre-nazi law-makers, and the lists of gun owners were used to remove guns from the german-jews and poles who were subsequently murdered. Well, I won't go into the Nazi history hysteria. If you think that's an appropriate analogy, so be it. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 23524705 United States 12/18/2012 10:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think the main point is you have to draw a line somewhere. Are we eventually going to able to acquire high powered lasers that can slice thru flesh? Quoting: Machine42 I don't think its nearly that simple. For one thing congress does prohibit the sale of high-powered laser pointers that can easily blind/dazzle pilots and drivers. Also I don't fear the police or law enforcement, or the military, they are on my side as far as I'm concerned. They want to help maintain order in potentially chaotic situations. My concern is that I live in a rural area and it takes the sheriff 30 minutes on a good day to get into town. If something goes down your pretty much on your own anyway. Now if they are busy, or the weather is bad, or there is a disaster or something, it could be more like hours or days before anyone could come and help. I can only imagine that its much, much worse in an inner city where the cops might not even want to go into your neighborhood. What are regular law abiding people supposed to do when someone is attacking their home and help is hours away? In a situation with-out rule of law, I have allot of faith that riots or similar madness simply could not happen in my area. Due to the fact that responsible MEN with GUNS would come out of their houses and simply NOT allow mob rule or chaos. The fact that I live in a place where pretty much everyone is armed is comforting to me. I feel like I could yell for help, and someone with a gun would come running, and that is exactly the kind of environment I would want my kids growing up in. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 5915501 United States 12/18/2012 10:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | My local conservative radio station, the one that plays the likes of Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity, is basically calling for a ban on semi-automatic rifles. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5915501 These commie bastards do not feel the need to hide in the wood work any more. These people make me sick. Nazi Germany replay. They will be disarming us Only point I have is, the Nazis did not disarm Germany. The firearms laws were actually liberalized in Germany at the time. The populations subject to mass murder were disarmed for sure. Gun-registration laws were passed by pre-nazi law-makers, and the lists of gun owners were used to remove guns from the german-jews and poles who were subsequently murdered. Well, I won't go into the Nazi history hysteria. If you think that's an appropriate analogy, so be it. Boy, you sure worded that carefully. I wonder why. /sarcasm |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30227474 Germany 12/18/2012 10:33 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This guy is as far right as you can get and he is saying this! Things are changing in this country, that's for sure. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9943244 Get ready folks, they're coming for your guns! Exactly what is an "assault rifle" vs. a hunting rifle? That's an easy one, but ignorant folks simply don't want to look things up. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30227474 Germany 12/18/2012 10:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30227474 Only point I have is, the Nazis did not disarm Germany. The firearms laws were actually liberalized in Germany at the time. The populations subject to mass murder were disarmed for sure. Gun-registration laws were passed by pre-nazi law-makers, and the lists of gun owners were used to remove guns from the german-jews and poles who were subsequently murdered. Well, I won't go into the Nazi history hysteria. If you think that's an appropriate analogy, so be it. Boy, you sure worded that carefully. I wonder why. /sarcasm Not really. It would just sidetrack the topic. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 23524705 United States 12/18/2012 10:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This guy is as far right as you can get and he is saying this! Things are changing in this country, that's for sure. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9943244 Get ready folks, they're coming for your guns! Exactly what is an "assault rifle" vs. a hunting rifle? Watch the video, but I will reiterate anyway, A hunting rifle, is single shot or semi-auto, and generally has a small magazine capacity. An assault-rifle is a military arm used for 'assault' ie attacking a position, shooting on the move, suppression-fire, and generally speaking multiple operators attacking at once from two or three angles. Assault-rifles are select fire, meaning they can fire, semi-auto, or full-auto, (or burst). This is important because it allows for the use of tactics such as suppression-fire needed for maneuvering, in squad-level tactical combat. Full-auto is not often useful for an individual combatant, however when used by co-operating fire-teams, full-auto fire is vitally important for giving your mates time to get into position. This is the important distinction, full-auto is useless for hunting, and necessary for combat. As others have pointed out assault rifles are already illegal. There have been some instances where criminals have used full-auto weapons against police with devastating effect, like the north-Hollywood shoot out. The fact is that an assault rifle ban will do nothing to stop criminals from getting full auto weapons if they want them, they're already illegal. All a criminal has to do is get an SKS, maybe 100$, this can be easily modified to take AK mags, and shoot full-auto. No amount of legislature can change this because the steel and the know-how is already on the streets. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 23524705 United States 12/18/2012 10:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23524705 The populations subject to mass murder were disarmed for sure. Gun-registration laws were passed by pre-nazi law-makers, and the lists of gun owners were used to remove guns from the german-jews and poles who were subsequently murdered. Well, I won't go into the Nazi history hysteria. If you think that's an appropriate analogy, so be it. Boy, you sure worded that carefully. I wonder why. /sarcasm Not really. It would just sidetrack the topic. Your right, we can talk about that in another thread, and I don't even think its a very appropriate analogy. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 4135612 United States 12/18/2012 10:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's the deal guys, I love guns but he is absolutely right. Just look up the definition of assault and tell me an AK-47 or AR-15 is for home defense. The simple fact that 100 round magazines are sold to regular civilians is mind boggling. Soldiers carry these weapons because they are made to hit with devastating force from a long distance. If assault rifles are allowed to stay in the hands of IRRESPONSIBLE gun owners who do not keep them locked up, the only answer to keeping us safe is to place soldiers or National Guards in public places with live ammunition. Face the facts, if you are a concealed carry holder and you come face to face with a gun man carrying an Assualt Rifle chances are you will not survive unless you are a great marksman. So do most of you think you should be allowed to sling your Assault-Rifle over your shoulder and go to the mall just to "protect" yourself?. Most of these guys have also worn body armor so good luck with that. Look up a video clip of the bank shoot out in LA with the two guys armed with assault rifles, It is miraculous that no one was killed that day other than the assailants. Assault Rifles, Body Armor, and improved magazines should not be sold to the general population plain and simple. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30227474 Germany 12/18/2012 10:49 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | This guy is as far right as you can get and he is saying this! Things are changing in this country, that's for sure. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9943244 Get ready folks, they're coming for your guns! Exactly what is an "assault rifle" vs. a hunting rifle? There have been some instances where criminals have used full-auto weapons against police with devastating effect, like the north-Hollywood shoot out. Exactly. And the firearms they used in that shootout were illegal. No law would have prevented it, as they were not obeying any laws. They were bank robbers. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 30227474 Germany 12/18/2012 10:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here's the deal guys, I love guns but he is absolutely right. Just look up the definition of assault and tell me an AK-47 or AR-15 is for home defense. The simple fact that 100 round magazines are sold to regular civilians is mind boggling. Soldiers carry these weapons because they are made to hit with devastating force from a long distance. If assault rifles are allowed to stay in the hands of IRRESPONSIBLE gun owners who do not keep them locked up, the only answer to keeping us safe is to place soldiers or National Guards in public places with live ammunition. Face the facts, if you are a concealed carry holder and you come face to face with a gun man carrying an Assualt Rifle chances are you will not survive unless you are a great marksman. So do most of you think you should be allowed to sling your Assault-Rifle over your shoulder and go to the mall just to "protect" yourself?. Most of these guys have also worn body armor so good luck with that. Look up a video clip of the bank shoot out in LA with the two guys armed with assault rifles, It is miraculous that no one was killed that day other than the assailants. Assault Rifles, Body Armor, and improved magazines should not be sold to the general population plain and simple. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4135612 Again, you aren't listening. "Assault rifles" are illegal. The media uses the term interchangeably, as they have an agenda. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29363277 United States 12/18/2012 10:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Very well done. The media has been misusing the word assault rifle and getting away with this for years. This guy is as far right as you can get and he is saying this! Things are changing in this country, that's for sure. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9943244 Get ready folks, they're coming for your guns! Exactly what is an "assault rifle" vs. a hunting rifle? Watch the video, but I will reiterate anyway, A hunting rifle, is single shot or semi-auto, and generally has a small magazine capacity. An assault-rifle is a military arm used for 'assault' ie attacking a position, shooting on the move, suppression-fire, and generally speaking multiple operators attacking at once from two or three angles. Assault-rifles are select fire, meaning they can fire, semi-auto, or full-auto, (or burst). This is important because it allows for the use of tactics such as suppression-fire needed for maneuvering, in squad-level tactical combat. Full-auto is not often useful for an individual combatant, however when used by co-operating fire-teams, full-auto fire is vitally important for giving your mates time to get into position. This is the important distinction, full-auto is useless for hunting, and necessary for combat. As others have pointed out assault rifles are already illegal. There have been some instances where criminals have used full-auto weapons against police with devastating effect, like the north-Hollywood shoot out. The fact is that an assault rifle ban will do nothing to stop criminals from getting full auto weapons if they want them, they're already illegal. All a criminal has to do is get an SKS, maybe 100$, this can be easily modified to take AK mags, and shoot full-auto. No amount of legislature can change this because the steel and the know-how is already on the streets. |