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The right to bear arms (2nd Amend) is specifically intended for DEFENSE AGAINST MODERN ARMY

 
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Here is the language of the Second Amdendment to the U.S. Constitution:

"Amendment II

A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."



Note the language that this militia is "necessary to the security of a free state". This means that this militia is ABLE TO DEFEND AGAINST FOREIGN AND DOMESTIC ENEMIES IN WARFARE...ie, be able to defend against a modern army of the day.

The original meaning of the language "well regulated" here basically means "properly trained and equipped." Also, the original meaning of the term "militia" is basically "every able bodied male who could serve in the army."

Thus, putting this Amendment into "modern" language, it is saying:

"A properly equipped and trained population of able-bodied men, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed."
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As Noah Webster put it in a pamphlet urging ratification of the Constitution, "Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe."

George Mason remarked to his Virginia delegates regarding the colonies' recent experience with Britain, in which the Monarch's goal had been "to disarm the people; that [that] . . . was the best and most effectual way to enslave them."

A widely reprinted article by Tench Coxe, an ally and correspondent of James Madison, described the Second Amendment's overriding goal as a check upon the national government's standing army: As civil rulers, not having their duty to the people duly before them, may attempt to tyrannize, and as the military forces which must be occasionally raised to defend our country, might pervert their power to the injury of their fellow citizens, the people are confirmed by the next article in their right to keep and bear their private arms.

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"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” – Thomas Jefferson
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Nuclear weapons so I can at the very least nuke the capital when the politicians become dicks.


That should make sense according to your reasoning right?
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Nuclear weapons so I can at the very least nuke the capital when the politicians become dicks.


That should make sense according to your reasoning right?
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"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American…[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." – Tenche Coxe




But you trust nukes in the hands of the psychopathic Satanic ruling jewish Illuminati banksters.

Why not the people, as opposed to the Illumati????
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To fight against a corrupt/tyrannic government/army there is something probably more important than weapon that most people seem to have forgotten : the people are to be united.
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In order for "the people" to have protection against the power of the State to enforce unjust laws, they must possess SUPERIOR FORCE to that of the State.


"Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom of Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any bands of regular troops…" – Noah Webster
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*have to be
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WTB:

Nuclear weapons so I can at the very least nuke the capital when the politicians become dicks.


That should make sense according to your reasoning right?
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"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American…[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." – Tenche Coxe




But you trust nukes in the hands of the psychopathic Satanic ruling jewish Illuminati banksters.

Why not the people, as opposed to the Illumati????
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The nukes are in the hands of the people. Who do you think operates the missile silos? Who do you think captains the nuclear submarines? The folks, especially the latter are trained by necessity to function independently of the hierarchy. These folks are US military personnel who all take a vow to uphold the constitution, and they for the most part are serious and patriotic individuals. They cant all possibly be mind-controlled drones of some fantasy illuminate-cabal, you give them too much credit.
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“What country can preserve its liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance. Let them take arms.” -Thomas Jefferson
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"When the government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny." --Thomas Jefferson
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Exactly!! Has absolutely nothing to do with hunting. So sick and tired of hearing the politicians and libs saying that we don't need assault rifles for deer hunting.
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"Guard with jealous attention the public liberty. Suspect everyone who approaches that jewel. Unfortunately, nothing will preserve it but downright force. Whenever you give up that force, you are ruined. The great object is that every man be armed. Every man who is able may have a gun." --Patrick Henry, During Virginia's ratification convention, 1788
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"A free people ought to be armed. When firearms go, all goes, we need them by the hour. Firearms stand next to importance to the Constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence." --George Washington, Boston Independence Chronicle, January 14, 1790
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"f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights and those of their fellow citizens." -- The Federalist, No. 29

- Alexander Hamilton
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as the primry author of evil in the world it is the correct target
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If cops can have them, so can we.
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WTB:

Nuclear weapons so I can at the very least nuke the capital when the politicians become dicks.


That should make sense according to your reasoning right?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22089462


"Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared, then, that we shall turn our arms each man gainst his own bosom. Congress have no power to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birthright of an American…[T]he unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or state governments, but, where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people." – Tenche Coxe




But you trust nukes in the hands of the psychopathic Satanic ruling jewish Illuminati banksters.

Why not the people, as opposed to the Illumati????
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So you are in agreement that people should be able of buying nuclear weapons?
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"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” – Thomas Jefferson
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I do not own any guns, but I fully support the 2nd ammendment

This fight against semi-automatic weapons will be a subtle one most people will not understand, because per the constitution, the civilian population must have the right to the same weapons as their government could use against them

If a swat team can invade my town and use AK 15s against us, per the founding fathers we should have the right to be able to fight back fairly and not with hunting rifles

If one lives in a country where the police are armed only with hand guns or tasers, that would be a different story but we know that isn't the case in the USA

The issue is that most people assume the government is good and will never be repressive or murderous against them

the founding fathers knew better. They had seen "benign monarchies" turn into psychopathic dictatorships, reasonable governments turn into the enemy over issues such as religion

Of course, we wish we lived in a more evolved world where the critical mass of humanity didn't resort to killing to resolve issues, but until we are there people need to have the right to defend themselves
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The problem with those who advocate the banning of firearms is that they fail to see the menace and danger of the power of Government & The State.

Are you ignorant of the fact that Communist Governments murdered 130+ million people last century?
Thread: Ban Guns? -- A communist agenda for mass genocide - 130+ million murdered by communists last century

Who is the greater menace to the safety of the people? Government or "the people" themselves?

In either case, one must be armed to protect themselves.

Disarming the people leaves them subject to harm from both common criminals and the power of the State.
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If cops can have them, so can we.
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this

cops and standing armies do not carry around nuclear weapons, so that is a facetious argument meant to derail the argument
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"The liberties of our country, the freedom of our civil constitution, are worth defending at all hazards; and it is our duty to defend them against all attacks. We have received them as a fair inheritance from our worthy ancestors: they purchased them for us with toil and danger and expense of treasure and blood, and transmitted to us with care and diligence. It will bring an everlasting mark of infamy on the present generation, enlightened as it is, if we should suffer them to be wrested from us by violence without a struggle, or be cheated out of them by the artifices of false and designing men."

-SAMUEL ADAMS
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"Whenever Governments mean to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise an army upon their ruins."

--Rep. Elbridge Gerry of Massachusetts, spoken during floor debate over the Second Amendment, I Annals of Congress at p. 750, August 17, 1789.



This is the plan of the NWO/Illuminati/jew-banksters. Put simply, it is disarm the populace, and meanwhile raise up a police state around the people to rule over them (ie, heavily armed police, FBI, "Homeland Security", etc)

In the end, it comes down to BRUTE FORCE. If "the people" (collectively) retain forces superior to that of the State, they can remain free. If the State has superior force, there is tyranny. PERIOD.
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I said the same thing on another thread this morning. The founding fathers took up modern day arms and kicked England's ass. England never forgot this and has very strict gun laws. This is about having enough fire power to be able to fight the government. The problem is since 9-11 we have had most of our rights thrown through the paper shredder. The Constitution has become a mere symbol that guides our government with suggestions from the distant past. Yeah they call it :THE PATRIOT ACT. :yak:
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If cops can have them, so can we.
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this

cops and standing armies do not carry around nuclear weapons, so that is a facetious argument meant to derail the argument
 Quoting: IssueX


I agree, the point is that if you live in a place where the law enforcement is more heavily armed then the population then you live in a police state.

Nuclear weapons have nothing to do with law enforcement and probably never will. If you think a nuke can be used to create law and order within a population then you need to study more physics.
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I said the same thing on another thread this morning. The founding fathers took up modern day arms and kicked England's ass. England never forgot this and has very strict gun laws. This is about having enough fire power to be able to fight the government. The problem is since 9-11 we have had most of our rights thrown through the paper shredder. The Constitution has become a mere symbol that guides our government with suggestions from the distant past. Yeah they call it :THE PATRIOT ACT. :yak:
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And now we can see why the ruling PTB controlling the U.S. Gov. pulled off the OKC Bombing, framing McVeigh and demonizing/framing the "Militia Movement."

One of the key reasons for the OKC Bombing was the attempt to destroy the growing MILITIA MOVEMENT within the U.S.

In order to take back our nation, we "the people" need to RE-CONSTITUTE the Militias, and heavily recruit, arm, and train them. As a bullwark to the tyranny they have planned.
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"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” – Thomas Jefferson
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Yet you patriots so adamant of having guns so you can fight against a corrupt government did nothing about 911 or the bank bailouts or its intentional crash. Cowards who just want to keep their toys but don't truly care what they are for.
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"The strongest reason for people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government.” – Thomas Jefferson
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Yet you patriots so adamant of having guns so you can fight against a corrupt government did nothing about 911 or the bank bailouts or its intentional crash. Cowards who just want to keep their toys but don't truly care what they are for.
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U.S. citizens are generally a peaceful people. We are not going to start shooting until they directly come after us.

As long as the people are armed, the Gov. overlords are NOT going to attempt to attack us. What they want to do is disarm us first.

So, the arming of the population is a defensive measure (initially) that is meant to hold the Government in check. Obviously, it's not working. But that is because TPTB have superior military forces than the people. In order to rectify the situation, the people must re-vitalize the Militias, and more heavily arm, train, and equip themselves. Certainly, we must not reduce our level of arms.
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Awesome thread OP
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Thanks Piers; but, you are wrong: the United States Supreme Court has held that the right to keep and bear arms is an "individual right"....

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