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Who has Been Americas Greatest Ally : Historical and Current

 
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Who has Been Americas Greatest Ally : Historical and Current
I suppose I could make this question three parts.


Ideological Ally

Military Ally

Overall, Hitorical and current.



My vote for Americas greatest ally in history would go to the French. If it was not for them the war would have been lost for Independence. The French even gave us the Statue of Liberty.

Military wise they are at the least in 3rd place, Behind the UK and perhaps Israel.

But overall, the French have always been a great boon to us Americans.
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I suppose I could make this question three parts.


Ideological Ally

Military Ally

Overall, Hitorical and current.



My vote for Americas greatest ally in history would go to the French. If it was not for them the war would have been lost for Independence. The French even gave us the Statue of Liberty.

Military wise they are at the least in 3rd place, Behind the UK and perhaps Israel.

But overall, the French have always been a great boon to us Americans.
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Ya got the big three..ad Canada..yes Canada
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you have forgotten the australians before they went whacky and anti-american.

they stood by our side through thick and thin, until recently.
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The Brits. Like it or not we are now and always have/will be joined,aligned and indivisible with them. Fuck the French....fuck them in the ass!
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Yep, the Aussies are true friends indeed.



Many older allies have dropped by the wayside in the current path we have taken and by proclaiming Ideological kinship with the Israelis.

I suppose this is why many old allies have turned anti American. Makes you wonder if it was worth it, and why it is happening.

I think it is interesting that we have lost so much support over the last few decades from so many of our historical allies.

The Brits have a strong argument as the greatest ally of all time, despite the wars with them.
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Nuclear Bomb, no people.
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The Brits. Like it or not we are now and always have/will be joined,aligned and indivisible with them. Fuck the French....fuck them in the ass!
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Yep tis us.
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The Germans.

WW2 was created so we live in this situation right now.

All those lives taken away on Axis and Allies side.

Fuck the elite, Let's see if they like it when there kids are on the frontline.
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Yep, the Aussies are true friends indeed.



Many older allies have dropped by the wayside in the current path we have taken and by proclaiming Ideological kinship with the Israelis.

I suppose this is why many old allies have turned anti American. Makes you wonder if it was worth it, and why it is happening.

I think it is interesting that we have lost so much support over the last few decades from so many of our historical allies.

The Brits have a strong argument as the greatest ally of all time, despite the wars with them.
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i would say that israel is our greatest ally in the middle east, but really israel has no influence anywhere else in the world. are you saying we should allow the muslim hoards raid israel and kill every jew in order to keep those allies such as britain?

you say: "I think it is interesting that we have lost so much support over the last few decades from so many of our historical allies"

i say, we have not changed they have. britain's and europe's rapidly changing demographics will end our so-called friendship one way or the other regardless of what policies we pursue vis a vis israel.

canada is israel most steadfast ally, more so than the US.
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the brits across the pond
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Interesting.. what do you consider when you consider this Greatest ally? the people or the government?

If it is the Government, then you'll have to factor in the changes in France, given that it was the French King who supported you in your war of independence, a king that was then kicked out for being not equally unpleasant.

The French went Republic route after you did.. you led they followed, surprisingly I have come across quite a few, I was going to say Americans, but reality is people of all nations seem to think you guys followed the French.. you led by example, the French followed and well done you :)

If you consider your founding documents as important ideologically then it would almost have to be Britain, the Virginian Declaration of Rights was based on the English Declaration of Rights.. but then those rights where to equally deal with unpleasant rulers, and the disarming of a section of English society, i.e the Anglicans at the hands of the Catholics (a great example of a document attempting to deal with re-arming a population after being disarmed)

So the Virginian Declaration of Rights went on to influence the US Declaration of Rights and the French Declaration of the Rights of the Man and the Citizen. Well done on that one :)

Amusingly while the French King Supported the American Revolution the British supported the French Revolution, so could you really call those actions benevolent? of self interest to kick an opponent in the nuts? does that make them a great American ally, or where you simply a vested interest?

I find the topic very interesting, and no I do not consider Britain a great ally of America, nor do I consider America a great ally of Britain.. a relationship based solely around self interest of both sides. I am sure there are others who really have been great allies of America.

For Britain I think we do have a few great allies, the Portuguese, Maltese and a few other nations spring to mind and would have to share the title as Britains BFF, all have done so much over such a long period of time.

and then you have the sons and daughters of Britain who have stood by our side through thick and thin, regardless of how shitty our government has treated them.. Now that is friendship..
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Russia was a main ally of America during both the revolution and the civil war.
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no mention of our best buddies isreel? oh that's right, they've never done a damn thing for us except drag us into their problems.
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Interesting.. what do you consider when you consider this Greatest ally? the people or the government?

If it is the Government, then you'll have to factor in the changes in France, given that it was the French King who supported you in your war of independence, a king that was then kicked out for being not equally unpleasant.

The French went Republic route after you did.. you led they followed, surprisingly I have come across quite a few, I was going to say Americans, but reality is people of all nations seem to think you guys followed the French.. you led by example, the French followed and well done you :)

If you consider your founding documents as important ideologically then it would almost have to be Britain, the Virginian Declaration of Rights was based on the English Declaration of Rights.. but then those rights where to equally deal with unpleasant rulers, and the disarming of a section of English society, i.e the Anglicans at the hands of the Catholics (a great example of a document attempting to deal with re-arming a population after being disarmed)

So the Virginian Declaration of Rights went on to influence the US Declaration of Rights and the French Declaration of the Rights of the Man and the Citizen. Well done on that one :)

Amusingly while the French King Supported the American Revolution the British supported the French Revolution, so could you really call those actions benevolent? of self interest to kick an opponent in the nuts? does that make them a great American ally, or where you simply a vested interest?

I find the topic very interesting, and no I do not consider Britain a great ally of America, nor do I consider America a great ally of Britain.. a relationship based solely around self interest of both sides. I am sure there are others who really have been great allies of America.

For Britain I think we do have a few great allies, the Portuguese, Maltese and a few other nations spring to mind and would have to share the title as Britains BFF, all have done so much over such a long period of time.

and then you have the sons and daughters of Britain who have stood by our side through thick and thin, regardless of how shitty our government has treated them.. Now that is friendship..
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Sorry I meant to add that perhaps you should be looking for the ally who has always been on Americans side, the type of ally you'd never even question supporting you, like Britain and Portugal or Britain and Malta.. most people would over look their unyielding support..
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Interesting.. what do you consider when you consider this Greatest ally? the people or the government?

If it is the Government, then you'll have to factor in the changes in France, given that it was the French King who supported you in your war of independence, a king that was then kicked out for being not equally unpleasant.

The French went Republic route after you did.. you led they followed, surprisingly I have come across quite a few, I was going to say Americans, but reality is people of all nations seem to think you guys followed the French.. you led by example, the French followed and well done you :)

If you consider your founding documents as important ideologically then it would almost have to be Britain, the Virginian Declaration of Rights was based on the English Declaration of Rights.. but then those rights where to equally deal with unpleasant rulers, and the disarming of a section of English society, i.e the Anglicans at the hands of the Catholics (a great example of a document attempting to deal with re-arming a population after being disarmed)

So the Virginian Declaration of Rights went on to influence the US Declaration of Rights and the French Declaration of the Rights of the Man and the Citizen. Well done on that one :)

Amusingly while the French King Supported the American Revolution the British supported the French Revolution, so could you really call those actions benevolent? of self interest to kick an opponent in the nuts? does that make them a great American ally, or where you simply a vested interest?

I find the topic very interesting, and no I do not consider Britain a great ally of America, nor do I consider America a great ally of Britain.. a relationship based solely around self interest of both sides. I am sure there are others who really have been great allies of America.

For Britain I think we do have a few great allies, the Portuguese, Maltese and a few other nations spring to mind and would have to share the title as Britains BFF, all have done so much over such a long period of time.

and then you have the sons and daughters of Britain who have stood by our side through thick and thin, regardless of how shitty our government has treated them.. Now that is friendship..
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i don't believe that governments can have friends, they can only have self-interest which is always evolving.

i think you are wise not to choose the US as your bff, you see us as subordinates who should jump when you say jump, hardly a premise to build a friendship upon.
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Interesting.. what do you consider when you consider this Greatest ally? the people or the government?

If it is the Government, then you'll have to factor in the changes in France, given that it was the French King who supported you in your war of independence, a king that was then kicked out for being not equally unpleasant.

The French went Republic route after you did.. you led they followed, surprisingly I have come across quite a few, I was going to say Americans, but reality is people of all nations seem to think you guys followed the French.. you led by example, the French followed and well done you :)

If you consider your founding documents as important ideologically then it would almost have to be Britain, the Virginian Declaration of Rights was based on the English Declaration of Rights.. but then those rights where to equally deal with unpleasant rulers, and the disarming of a section of English society, i.e the Anglicans at the hands of the Catholics (a great example of a document attempting to deal with re-arming a population after being disarmed)

So the Virginian Declaration of Rights went on to influence the US Declaration of Rights and the French Declaration of the Rights of the Man and the Citizen. Well done on that one :)

Amusingly while the French King Supported the American Revolution the British supported the French Revolution, so could you really call those actions benevolent? of self interest to kick an opponent in the nuts? does that make them a great American ally, or where you simply a vested interest?

I find the topic very interesting, and no I do not consider Britain a great ally of America, nor do I consider America a great ally of Britain.. a relationship based solely around self interest of both sides. I am sure there are others who really have been great allies of America.

For Britain I think we do have a few great allies, the Portuguese, Maltese and a few other nations spring to mind and would have to share the title as Britains BFF, all have done so much over such a long period of time.

and then you have the sons and daughters of Britain who have stood by our side through thick and thin, regardless of how shitty our government has treated them.. Now that is friendship..
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i don't believe that governments can have friends, they can only have self-interest which is always evolving.

i think you are wise not to choose the US as your bff, you see us as subordinates who should jump when you say jump, hardly a premise to build a friendship upon.
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I think you are making assumptions if you think I think that way about America, most of my family are American, and I have spent the last 30 years working with Americans, note not working for them or them working for me, but rather with... I am a collaborative person and only interested in equal relationships.

I did notice you comment in another thread about how you despise the British, which is fine, but to assume everyone looks down on America equals all those who see Americans as fat.

I was just being honest, and asking who might you be overlooking when trying to answer this question..
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Interesting.. what do you consider when you consider this Greatest ally? the people or the government?

If it is the Government, then you'll have to factor in the changes in France, given that it was the French King who supported you in your war of independence, a king that was then kicked out for being not equally unpleasant.

The French went Republic route after you did.. you led they followed, surprisingly I have come across quite a few, I was going to say Americans, but reality is people of all nations seem to think you guys followed the French.. you led by example, the French followed and well done you :)

If you consider your founding documents as important ideologically then it would almost have to be Britain, the Virginian Declaration of Rights was based on the English Declaration of Rights.. but then those rights where to equally deal with unpleasant rulers, and the disarming of a section of English society, i.e the Anglicans at the hands of the Catholics (a great example of a document attempting to deal with re-arming a population after being disarmed)

So the Virginian Declaration of Rights went on to influence the US Declaration of Rights and the French Declaration of the Rights of the Man and the Citizen. Well done on that one :)

Amusingly while the French King Supported the American Revolution the British supported the French Revolution, so could you really call those actions benevolent? of self interest to kick an opponent in the nuts? does that make them a great American ally, or where you simply a vested interest?

I find the topic very interesting, and no I do not consider Britain a great ally of America, nor do I consider America a great ally of Britain.. a relationship based solely around self interest of both sides. I am sure there are others who really have been great allies of America.

For Britain I think we do have a few great allies, the Portuguese, Maltese and a few other nations spring to mind and would have to share the title as Britains BFF, all have done so much over such a long period of time.

and then you have the sons and daughters of Britain who have stood by our side through thick and thin, regardless of how shitty our government has treated them.. Now that is friendship..
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I would say both, Goverment and people.


The Brittish I suppose Ideologically are the most influential of all the allies we have. ALthough that was not always the case.

As a matter a fact the US for much of its time did things exacly the opposite of the Brits just to show we are different.

We do speak English, and were heavily influenced politically by their laws.

But I am not so sure I would place them at the number one spot. To me the French hold that spot. Canada is most definatley in the top 5.

ISrael, despite claims by some is different Religiously and Ideologically. They have never helped as much as they have hurt, either by causing problems or by spying. They have only been around since 1948 anyway. Our history is much longer than that.

Surprisingly Turkey has fielded military troops in many of our conflicts. Although we did fight them in ww1. Way down the list though.

My top

France
Britain
Canada
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Interesting.. what do you consider when you consider this Greatest ally? the people or the government?

If it is the Government, then you'll have to factor in the changes in France, given that it was the French King who supported you in your war of independence, a king that was then kicked out for being not equally unpleasant.

The French went Republic route after you did.. you led they followed, surprisingly I have come across quite a few, I was going to say Americans, but reality is people of all nations seem to think you guys followed the French.. you led by example, the French followed and well done you :)

If you consider your founding documents as important ideologically then it would almost have to be Britain, the Virginian Declaration of Rights was based on the English Declaration of Rights.. but then those rights where to equally deal with unpleasant rulers, and the disarming of a section of English society, i.e the Anglicans at the hands of the Catholics (a great example of a document attempting to deal with re-arming a population after being disarmed)

So the Virginian Declaration of Rights went on to influence the US Declaration of Rights and the French Declaration of the Rights of the Man and the Citizen. Well done on that one :)

Amusingly while the French King Supported the American Revolution the British supported the French Revolution, so could you really call those actions benevolent? of self interest to kick an opponent in the nuts? does that make them a great American ally, or where you simply a vested interest?

I find the topic very interesting, and no I do not consider Britain a great ally of America, nor do I consider America a great ally of Britain.. a relationship based solely around self interest of both sides. I am sure there are others who really have been great allies of America.

For Britain I think we do have a few great allies, the Portuguese, Maltese and a few other nations spring to mind and would have to share the title as Britains BFF, all have done so much over such a long period of time.

and then you have the sons and daughters of Britain who have stood by our side through thick and thin, regardless of how shitty our government has treated them.. Now that is friendship..
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i don't believe that governments can have friends, they can only have self-interest which is always evolving.

i think you are wise not to choose the US as your bff, you see us as subordinates who should jump when you say jump, hardly a premise to build a friendship upon.
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I think you are making assumptions if you think I think that way about America, most of my family are American, and I have spent the last 30 years working with Americans, note not working for them or them working for me, but rather with... I am a collaborative person and only interested in equal relationships.

I did notice you comment in another thread about how you despise the British, which is fine, but to assume everyone looks down on America equals all those who see Americans as fat.

I was just being honest, and asking who might you be overlooking when trying to answer this question..
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you are an individual and in my opinion not really representative of your nation or your fellow citizens. i do like some individual brits, but as a collective group as represented on this forum and all, all of your media, i can honestly say i am not impressed, nor do i think britain and the US define friendship or relationships the same way.
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Re: Who has Been Americas Greatest Ally : Historical and Current
I suppose I could make this question three parts.


Ideological Ally

Military Ally

Overall, Hitorical and current.



My vote for Americas greatest ally in history would go to the French. If it was not for them the war would have been lost for Independence. The French even gave us the Statue of Liberty.

Military wise they are at the least in 3rd place, Behind the UK and perhaps Israel.

But overall, the French have always been a great boon to us Americans.
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Ya got the big three..ad Canada..yes Canada
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Not us. Together with our first nations allies we stopped "Manifest Destiny" at the Great Lakes.

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I would say France is Americas biggest ally, and Britain's biggest allies would be:
In no order:
-Netherlands
-Poland