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Jesus didn't care about gay people. Find me the verse from the gospels where Christ condemns same sex relationships. Paul didn't like them, but he was a selfish reformer. Paul is not the way to enlightenment.

If you're basing your hate on Leviciticus, Deuteronomy or any of the the OT scriptures then I hope you're free of tattoos, wearing clothing made from one type of cloth and punishing your slaves when they transgress.

Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven; -Luke 6:37

"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire."
-Matthew 5:22

"The king's heart is a stream of water in the hand of the Lord; he turns it wherever he will. Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the Lord weighs the heart. To do righteousness and justice is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice."
-Proverbs 21:1-3
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5156482


HAVE YOU READ MATTHEW 19:

19 When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan. 2 Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.

3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”

4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’

6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
 Quoting: christian




As the dialogue continues, Jesus’ disciples are disturbed by his strict teaching on divorce. The disciples say that if divorce is not a ready option, perhaps it would be best for a man not to marry a woman.

Jesus responds:

“Not everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.” (Matthew 19:11-12)


Eunuchs are modern-day homosexuals!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21362482



NO THEY ARE NOT HOMOSEXUALS!

;

eunouchos: a eunuch

a eunuch, keeper of the bed-chamber
Definition: (a) a chamberlain, keeper of the bed-chamber of an eastern potentate, eunuch, (b) a eunuch, castrated person, or one who voluntarily abstains from marriage.

 Quoting: christian



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Jesus didn't care about gay people. Find me the verse from the gospels where Christ condemns same sex relationships. Paul didn't like them, but he was a selfish reformer. Paul is not the way to enlightenment.

If you're basing your hate on Leviciticus, Deuteronomy or any of the the OT scriptures then I hope you're free of tattoos, wearing clothing made from one type of cloth and punishing your slaves when they transgress.

Judge not, and you will not be judged; condemn not, and you will not be condemned; forgive, and you will be forgiven; -Luke 6:37

"But I say to you that everyone who is angry with his brother will be liable to judgment; whoever insults his brother will be liable to the council; and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ will be liable to the hell of fire."
-Matthew 5:22

"The king's heart is a stream of water in the hand of the Lord; he turns it wherever he will. Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, but the Lord weighs the heart. To do righteousness and justice is more acceptable to the Lord than sacrifice."
-Proverbs 21:1-3
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 5156482


HAVE YOU READ MATTHEW 19:

19 When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan. 2 Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.

3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”

4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’

6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
 Quoting: christian




As the dialogue continues, Jesus’ disciples are disturbed by his strict teaching on divorce. The disciples say that if divorce is not a ready option, perhaps it would be best for a man not to marry a woman.

Jesus responds:

“Not everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.” (Matthew 19:11-12)


Eunuchs are modern-day homosexuals!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21362482



In the ancient world, including ancient Jewish culture (as reflected in the Talmud), “natural” or “born” eunuchs were not associated with missing testicles. Rather, they were associated with stereotypically effeminate characteristics and behavior (just like modern gay men), and were thought by Rabbi Eliezer to be subject to “cure” (just like modern gays). Moreover, as we have also seen, eunuchs were commonly associated with homosexual desire. (For a complete discussion of the term "born eunuch" and the connection with homosexuality, see The Early Church Welcomed a Gay Man.) As a reasonably informed person of his time, Jesus would have been aware of this common view of eunuchs. Yet he very matter-of-factly asserts that some people are simply born that way. The implication of his statement is profound — God created gay people the way they are! Jesus says so.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21362482


WHERE IS YOUR LINK?????



CASTRATION, the removal of testes or ovaries. In the Hebrew Bible, the term saris, commonly rendered "eunuch," occurs more than 40 times. As a rule, the saris designated a court official who, occasionally, even reached the high rank of military commander (II Kings 25:19). Sarisim were found serving at the courts of Egypt (Gen. 37:36), Ethiopia (Jer. 38:7), Persia (Esth. 1:10ff.), and even Israel (II Kings 9:32).


Since in at least one known case (Pharaoh's Potiphar) the saris was definitely married (Gen. 39:7ff.), it is doubtful whether the term always or usually refers specifically to a eunuch rather than to a palace official in general. Whatever the exact designation of the term, Judaism has always forbidden all forms of castration. Alone among the nations of antiquity, the Hebrews imposed a religious prohibition on the emasculation of men and even animals, a prohibition not found in the teachings of Buddha, Confucius, Christ, or Muhammad.

The Bible directly refers to the ban on castration only by excluding castrated animals from serving as sacrifices on the altar (Lev. 22:24), a descendant of Aaron "who hath his stones crushed" from the priestly service (Lev. 21:20), and a man "that is crushed or maimed in his privy parts" from entering into "the assembly of the Lord" (Deut. 23:2), i.e., from marrying within the Jewish community. In the Talmud (Shab. 110b–111a) and codes (e.g., Sh. Ar. EH 5:11–14), the biblical interdict is widely extended to cover any deliberate impairment of the male reproductive organs in domestic animals, beasts, birds, and man, including the castration of a person who is already impotent or genitally maimed.

While technically emasculation does not apply to females, the sterilization of women is also prohibited, though somewhat less severely (ibid.). The Talmud records one view according to which the ban on castration is of universal validity, having been included among the *Noachide Laws (Sanh. 56b).

The explicit disqualification of priestly castrates strikingly indicates how repulsive to Judaism is the notion of emasculating ecclesiastics or temple servants in order to promote their spirituality, let alone for so slight a motive as to preserve the soprano voices of religious choristers (practices widely rampant among ancient and medieval Christians). Jewish law, by contrast, not only abhorred such operations but extended the ban to certain categories of judges and synagogue officials.....

[link to www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org]
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I'm going to quote Goldilocks, it makes more sense.
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HAVE YOU READ MATTHEW 19:

19 When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan. 2 Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.

3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”

4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’

6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
 Quoting: christian




As the dialogue continues, Jesus’ disciples are disturbed by his strict teaching on divorce. The disciples say that if divorce is not a ready option, perhaps it would be best for a man not to marry a woman.

Jesus responds:

“Not everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.” (Matthew 19:11-12)


Eunuchs are modern-day homosexuals!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21362482



In the ancient world, including ancient Jewish culture (as reflected in the Talmud), “natural” or “born” eunuchs were not associated with missing testicles. Rather, they were associated with stereotypically effeminate characteristics and behavior (just like modern gay men), and were thought by Rabbi Eliezer to be subject to “cure” (just like modern gays). Moreover, as we have also seen, eunuchs were commonly associated with homosexual desire. (For a complete discussion of the term "born eunuch" and the connection with homosexuality, see The Early Church Welcomed a Gay Man.) As a reasonably informed person of his time, Jesus would have been aware of this common view of eunuchs. Yet he very matter-of-factly asserts that some people are simply born that way. The implication of his statement is profound — God created gay people the way they are! Jesus says so.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21362482


WHERE IS YOUR LINK?????



CASTRATION, the removal of testes or ovaries. In the Hebrew Bible, the term saris, commonly rendered "eunuch," occurs more than 40 times. As a rule, the saris designated a court official who, occasionally, even reached the high rank of military commander (II Kings 25:19). Sarisim were found serving at the courts of Egypt (Gen. 37:36), Ethiopia (Jer. 38:7), Persia (Esth. 1:10ff.), and even Israel (II Kings 9:32).


Since in at least one known case (Pharaoh's Potiphar) the saris was definitely married (Gen. 39:7ff.), it is doubtful whether the term always or usually refers specifically to a eunuch rather than to a palace official in general. Whatever the exact designation of the term, Judaism has always forbidden all forms of castration. Alone among the nations of antiquity, the Hebrews imposed a religious prohibition on the emasculation of men and even animals, a prohibition not found in the teachings of Buddha, Confucius, Christ, or Muhammad.

The Bible directly refers to the ban on castration only by excluding castrated animals from serving as sacrifices on the altar (Lev. 22:24), a descendant of Aaron "who hath his stones crushed" from the priestly service (Lev. 21:20), and a man "that is crushed or maimed in his privy parts" from entering into "the assembly of the Lord" (Deut. 23:2), i.e., from marrying within the Jewish community. In the Talmud (Shab. 110b–111a) and codes (e.g., Sh. Ar. EH 5:11–14), the biblical interdict is widely extended to cover any deliberate impairment of the male reproductive organs in domestic animals, beasts, birds, and man, including the castration of a person who is already impotent or genitally maimed.

While technically emasculation does not apply to females, the sterilization of women is also prohibited, though somewhat less severely (ibid.). The Talmud records one view according to which the ban on castration is of universal validity, having been included among the *Noachide Laws (Sanh. 56b).

The explicit disqualification of priestly castrates strikingly indicates how repulsive to Judaism is the notion of emasculating ecclesiastics or temple servants in order to promote their spirituality, let alone for so slight a motive as to preserve the soprano voices of religious choristers (practices widely rampant among ancient and medieval Christians). Jewish law, by contrast, not only abhorred such operations but extended the ban to certain categories of judges and synagogue officials.....

[link to www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org]
 Quoting: christian




YOU CAN'T BE BORN CASTRATED.

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HAVE YOU READ MATTHEW 19:

19 When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan. 2 Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there.

3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?”

4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’

6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.”
 Quoting: christian




As the dialogue continues, Jesus’ disciples are disturbed by his strict teaching on divorce. The disciples say that if divorce is not a ready option, perhaps it would be best for a man not to marry a woman.

Jesus responds:

“Not everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.” (Matthew 19:11-12)


Eunuchs are modern-day homosexuals!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21362482



NO THEY ARE NOT HOMOSEXUALS!

;

eunouchos: a eunuch

a eunuch, keeper of the bed-chamber
Definition: (a) a chamberlain, keeper of the bed-chamber of an eastern potentate, eunuch, (b) a eunuch, castrated person, or one who voluntarily abstains from marriage.

 Quoting: christian



Educate yourself:
[link to www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org]
[link to www.well.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21362482




FAIRY TALE LINKS DO NOT PROVE YOUR POINT....

You have offered not shread of BIBLICAL EVIDENCE from Judaism, the Holy Bible, The Torah, The Talmud or the Noahide Laws that ENUCHS are Homosexuals...What are the Lesbians? ENUCHS too/Two????
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I didn't know this..Engle and others released. Found it in here with the proposal!!!
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As the dialogue continues, Jesus’ disciples are disturbed by his strict teaching on divorce. The disciples say that if divorce is not a ready option, perhaps it would be best for a man not to marry a woman.

Jesus responds:

“Not everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.” (Matthew 19:11-12)

Eunuchs are modern-day homosexuals!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21362482



In the ancient world, including ancient Jewish culture (as reflected in the Talmud), “natural” or “born” eunuchs were not associated with missing testicles. Rather, they were associated with stereotypically effeminate characteristics and behavior (just like modern gay men), and were thought by Rabbi Eliezer to be subject to “cure” (just like modern gays). Moreover, as we have also seen, eunuchs were commonly associated with homosexual desire. (For a complete discussion of the term "born eunuch" and the connection with homosexuality, see The Early Church Welcomed a Gay Man.) As a reasonably informed person of his time, Jesus would have been aware of this common view of eunuchs. Yet he very matter-of-factly asserts that some people are simply born that way. The implication of his statement is profound — God created gay people the way they are! Jesus says so.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21362482


WHERE IS YOUR LINK?????



CASTRATION, the removal of testes or ovaries. In the Hebrew Bible, the term saris, commonly rendered "eunuch," occurs more than 40 times. As a rule, the saris designated a court official who, occasionally, even reached the high rank of military commander (II Kings 25:19). Sarisim were found serving at the courts of Egypt (Gen. 37:36), Ethiopia (Jer. 38:7), Persia (Esth. 1:10ff.), and even Israel (II Kings 9:32).


Since in at least one known case (Pharaoh's Potiphar) the saris was definitely married (Gen. 39:7ff.), it is doubtful whether the term always or usually refers specifically to a eunuch rather than to a palace official in general. Whatever the exact designation of the term, Judaism has always forbidden all forms of castration. Alone among the nations of antiquity, the Hebrews imposed a religious prohibition on the emasculation of men and even animals, a prohibition not found in the teachings of Buddha, Confucius, Christ, or Muhammad.

The Bible directly refers to the ban on castration only by excluding castrated animals from serving as sacrifices on the altar (Lev. 22:24), a descendant of Aaron "who hath his stones crushed" from the priestly service (Lev. 21:20), and a man "that is crushed or maimed in his privy parts" from entering into "the assembly of the Lord" (Deut. 23:2), i.e., from marrying within the Jewish community. In the Talmud (Shab. 110b–111a) and codes (e.g., Sh. Ar. EH 5:11–14), the biblical interdict is widely extended to cover any deliberate impairment of the male reproductive organs in domestic animals, beasts, birds, and man, including the castration of a person who is already impotent or genitally maimed.

While technically emasculation does not apply to females, the sterilization of women is also prohibited, though somewhat less severely (ibid.). The Talmud records one view according to which the ban on castration is of universal validity, having been included among the *Noachide Laws (Sanh. 56b).

The explicit disqualification of priestly castrates strikingly indicates how repulsive to Judaism is the notion of emasculating ecclesiastics or temple servants in order to promote their spirituality, let alone for so slight a motive as to preserve the soprano voices of religious choristers (practices widely rampant among ancient and medieval Christians). Jewish law, by contrast, not only abhorred such operations but extended the ban to certain categories of judges and synagogue officials.....

[link to www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org]
 Quoting: christian




YOU CAN'T BE BORN CASTRATED.

[link to www.well.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21362482


READ AGAIN WHAT JESUS SAID:


Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”

11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”


BORN ENUCHS-Meaning born without certain limbs not just sexual organs

Man Made Enuchs-Castrated Males

Enuchs- Did not want to Marry..Kept themselves PURE for the Sake of the KINGDOM of HEAVEN...Just like Jesus sauid....

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As the dialogue continues, Jesus’ disciples are disturbed by his strict teaching on divorce. The disciples say that if divorce is not a ready option, perhaps it would be best for a man not to marry a woman.

Jesus responds:

“Not everyone can accept this teaching, but only those to whom it is given. For there are eunuchs who have been so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let anyone accept this who can.” (Matthew 19:11-12)

Eunuchs are modern-day homosexuals!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21362482



NO THEY ARE NOT HOMOSEXUALS!

;

eunouchos: a eunuch

a eunuch, keeper of the bed-chamber
Definition: (a) a chamberlain, keeper of the bed-chamber of an eastern potentate, eunuch, (b) a eunuch, castrated person, or one who voluntarily abstains from marriage.

 Quoting: christian



Educate yourself:
[link to www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org]
[link to www.well.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21362482




FAIRY TALE LINKS DO NOT PROVE YOUR POINT....

You have offered not shread of BIBLICAL EVIDENCE from Judaism, the Holy Bible, The Torah, The Talmud or the Noahide Laws that ENUCHS are Homosexuals...What are the Lesbians? ENUCHS too/Two????
 Quoting: christian



What do you think Jesus mean't when he said some Eunuchs were born in the womb?

Al of the references Christians use against homosexuality were actually for cult shrine temple prostitutes. Not two males/females who loved one another.
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Throw up!

Do they use Condom?
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NO THEY ARE NOT HOMOSEXUALS!

;

eunouchos: a eunuch

a eunuch, keeper of the bed-chamber
Definition: (a) a chamberlain, keeper of the bed-chamber of an eastern potentate, eunuch, (b) a eunuch, castrated person, or one who voluntarily abstains from marriage.

 Quoting: christian



Educate yourself:
[link to www.wouldjesusdiscriminate.org]
[link to www.well.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21362482




FAIRY TALE LINKS DO NOT PROVE YOUR POINT....

You have offered not shread of BIBLICAL EVIDENCE from Judaism, the Holy Bible, The Torah, The Talmud or the Noahide Laws that ENUCHS are Homosexuals...What are the Lesbians? ENUCHS too/Two????
 Quoting: christian



What do you think Jesus mean't when he said some Eunuchs were born in the womb?

Al of the references Christians use against homosexuality were actually for cult shrine temple prostitutes. Not two males/females who loved one another.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21362482


AGAIN AGAIN AGAIN..

Jesus just told you in that scripture about Biblical marriage..MAN and WOMAN he also told you about Divorce..

Then he comments on ENUCHS not HOMOSEXUALS..Enuchs were Men that for some reasons did not engage in MARRIAGE..

WHY?

Because some MEN were born without limbs needed for MARRIAGE
Wether they were born with no testicles or other limbs..

However let's go with what you say: Men are born with no desire for WOMEN...Homosexuals..What did JESUS SAY???

HE SAID-or there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. JESUS IS SAYING THESE ENUCHS HAVE NOT MARRIED FOR THE SAKE OF THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN... DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT???


Jesus said in Matthew 19.. MARRIAGE between MEN and WOMEN are the ONLY ONES that GOD approves of, and GOD does not approve of DIVORCE only for certain reasons....
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The gays should have their own platoons
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I was in the military before DADT. There were more gay people that served than were gay people in the general population. That is a well known fact.
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In the ancient world, including ancient Jewish culture (as reflected in the Talmud), “natural” or “born” eunuchs were not associated with missing testicles. Rather, they were associated with stereotypically effeminate characteristics and behavior (just like modern gay men), and were thought by Rabbi Eliezer to be subject to “cure” (just like modern gays). Moreover, as we have also seen, eunuchs were commonly associated with homosexual desire. (For a complete discussion of the term "born eunuch" and the connection with homosexuality, see The Early Church Welcomed a Gay Man.) As a reasonably informed person of his time, Jesus would have been aware of this common view of eunuchs. Yet he very matter-of-factly asserts that some people are simply born that way. The implication of his statement is profound — God created gay people the way they are! Jesus says so.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21362482


WHERE IS YOUR LINK?????



CASTRATION, the removal of testes or ovaries. In the Hebrew Bible, the term saris, commonly rendered "eunuch," occurs more than 40 times. As a rule, the saris designated a court official who, occasionally, even reached the high rank of military commander (II Kings 25:19). Sarisim were found serving at the courts of Egypt (Gen. 37:36), Ethiopia (Jer. 38:7), Persia (Esth. 1:10ff.), and even Israel (II Kings 9:32).


Since in at least one known case (Pharaoh's Potiphar) the saris was definitely married (Gen. 39:7ff.), it is doubtful whether the term always or usually refers specifically to a eunuch rather than to a palace official in general. Whatever the exact designation of the term, Judaism has always forbidden all forms of castration. Alone among the nations of antiquity, the Hebrews imposed a religious prohibition on the emasculation of men and even animals, a prohibition not found in the teachings of Buddha, Confucius, Christ, or Muhammad.

The Bible directly refers to the ban on castration only by excluding castrated animals from serving as sacrifices on the altar (Lev. 22:24), a descendant of Aaron "who hath his stones crushed" from the priestly service (Lev. 21:20), and a man "that is crushed or maimed in his privy parts" from entering into "the assembly of the Lord" (Deut. 23:2), i.e., from marrying within the Jewish community. In the Talmud (Shab. 110b–111a) and codes (e.g., Sh. Ar. EH 5:11–14), the biblical interdict is widely extended to cover any deliberate impairment of the male reproductive organs in domestic animals, beasts, birds, and man, including the castration of a person who is already impotent or genitally maimed.

While technically emasculation does not apply to females, the sterilization of women is also prohibited, though somewhat less severely (ibid.). The Talmud records one view according to which the ban on castration is of universal validity, having been included among the *Noachide Laws (Sanh. 56b).

The explicit disqualification of priestly castrates strikingly indicates how repulsive to Judaism is the notion of emasculating ecclesiastics or temple servants in order to promote their spirituality, let alone for so slight a motive as to preserve the soprano voices of religious choristers (practices widely rampant among ancient and medieval Christians). Jewish law, by contrast, not only abhorred such operations but extended the ban to certain categories of judges and synagogue officials.....

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YOU CAN'T BE BORN CASTRATED.

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READ AGAIN WHAT JESUS SAID:


Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”

11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”


BORN ENUCHS-Meaning born without certain limbs not just sexual organs

Man Made Enuchs-Castrated Males

Enuchs- Did not want to Marry..Kept themselves PURE for the Sake of the KINGDOM of HEAVEN...Just like Jesus sauid....

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Eunuchs does not mean born without certain limbs. It mean's you were castrated, a effeminate male with no interest in women who can be trusted to watch their bed, or GAY! That's what it means. Where did you come up with the bullshit that it mean's born without certain limbs? That's is a complete LIE YOU JUST MADE UP!


Dr. Robert Gagnon, a prolific anti-gay, evangelical Christian author, admits on his website, that “born eunuchs” in the ancient world were probably gay!

""born eunuchs" in the ancient world did include people homosexually inclined, which incidentally puts to the lie the oft-repeated claim that the ancient world could not even conceive of persons that were congenitally influenced toward exclusive same-sex attractions." - Dr. Gagnon

When an anti-gay evangelical with the scholarly credentials of Dr. Robert Gagnon, a man who steadfastly opposes all homosexual practice as sinful, admits that the Biblical category of "born eunuch" probably included homosexuals, that is an important admission.

In the Jewish New Testament, translated by David Stern, Matthew 19:12 tells us the first class of eunuchs (born eunuchs) do not marry

“because they were born without the desire.”


According to David Stern’s translation, Jesus says that some males are born into the world “without the desire” to marry a woman. Stern understands a born eunuch to be a man born without the desire to marry a woman.

Now doesn’t that sound like a gay man, born without the desire to marry a woman?In the Jewish New Testament, translated by David Stern, Matthew 19:12 tells us the first class of eunuchs (born eunuchs) do not marry

“because they were born without the desire.”


According to David Stern’s translation, Jesus says that some males are born into the world “without the desire” to marry a woman. Stern understands a born eunuch to be a man born without the desire to marry a woman.

Now doesn’t that sound like a gay man, born without the desire to marry a woman?



9 Timeless Truths About Eunuchs:

1. The term eunuch, in history and scripture, frequently referred to gay men. Therefore we conclude that eunuchs are gay or at least some eunuchs are/were gay.


2. The term eunuch, in history, also referred to what we now call lesbians. Lesbians were also known as a "special kind of virgin".


3. Eunuchs-gay men, in history and scripture, are often, anatomically whole, not physically castrated.


4. Eunuchs in history and scripture are frequently, gay men who feel no sexual attraction toward women.


5. Eunuchs are gay men, in history and scripture, who are specifically excluded, by Jesus, from the Adam and Eve marriage paradigm.


6. Eunuchs are gay men, who sometimes married women, in order to fit in culturally.


7. Eunuchs-gay men, historically, were recognized by Rabbis of ancient Judaism, by ancient Roman law and by ancient Christian preachers, as physically intact men, who were born with no sexual attraction toward women, what one ancient preacher referred to as natural chastity.


8. Eunuchs are gay men, in scripture, and were usually outstanding, honourable, brave, Godly men, who occupied a place of great responsibility and spiritual blessing.


9. Eunuchs are gay men, in early church history, who were welcomed into the Eastern church, as pastors, presbyters, deacons and bishops.


Not all Eunuchs were gay, but many were!
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NO THEY ARE NOT HOMOSEXUALS!

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eunouchos: a eunuch

a eunuch, keeper of the bed-chamber
Definition: (a) a chamberlain, keeper of the bed-chamber of an eastern potentate, eunuch, (b) a eunuch, castrated person, or one who voluntarily abstains from marriage.

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Educate yourself:
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FAIRY TALE LINKS DO NOT PROVE YOUR POINT....

You have offered not shread of BIBLICAL EVIDENCE from Judaism, the Holy Bible, The Torah, The Talmud or the Noahide Laws that ENUCHS are Homosexuals...What are the Lesbians? ENUCHS too/Two????
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What do you think Jesus mean't when he said some Eunuchs were born in the womb?

Al of the references Christians use against homosexuality were actually for cult shrine temple prostitutes. Not two males/females who loved one another.
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DO YOU KNOW ALL THROUGH THE BIBLE THERE ARE SCRIPTURES ON BIBLICAL MARRIAGE..HOMOSEXUAL MARRIAGE? NONE...



Ephesians 5:22-33 Wives, submit to your own husbands, as to the Lord
. For the husband is the head of the wife even as Christ is the head of the church, his body, and is himself its Savior. Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands. Husbands, love your wives, as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her, that he might sanctify her, having cleansed her by the washing of water with the word, so that he might present the church to himself in splendor, without spot or wrinkle or any such thing, that she might be holy and without blemish.In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. For no one ever hated his own flesh, but nourishes and cherishes it, just as Christ does the church, because we are members of his body. ”Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and hold fast to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh.” This mystery is profound, and I am saying that it refers to Christ and the church. However, let each one of you love his wife as himself, and let the wife see that she respects her husband.

DO YOU KNOW AFTER NOAH'S FLOOD...GOD OUTLINED ETERNALLY WHAT HIS COMMANDMENT WAS ON SEXUAL MORALITY...

he Hebrew words for man (ish) and woman (ishah) both contain the Hebrew root word aish, fire. The Talmudic Sages drew a correlation between the words: just as fire can be harnessed to produce energy and provide great benefit, but when unleashed it can also bring destruction and ruin, so too, human sexual desire must be kept within the boundaries of a productive and G-dly marriage.


AFTER SODOM AND GOMMORAH..

THESE LAWS WERE FOR BOTH JEWS AND GENTILES..

BECAUSE SODOM DID ALL OF THIS!
. ILLICIT INTERCOURSE:

(1) against (a man) having union with his mother;
(2) against (a man) having union with his sister; (3) against (a man) having union with the wife of his father;
(4) against (a man) having union with another man's wife;
(5) against (a man) copulating with a beast;
(6) against a woman copulating with a beast;
(7) against (a man) lying carnally with a male;
(8).against (a man) lying carnally with his father;
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Does this guy even know what the purpose is for a Man to propose on his KNEE???????????

A man to propose on one knee is that the man is offering himself wholeheartedly to the woman, without reservations, elevating her to an exalted position in their relationship, and offering her the choice to determine the course of their relationship.
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Hey, what happened to you that made you so filled with hatred for other people?

Seriously - what happened to you?
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We don't hate other people, we hate the sin they commit.
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Yea, judgmental people always use that excuse to pass judgment.
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Cause it fits.
My magic is both from Source and Soul. I love everything for what it is...a means to an end. I love the fact we are all puzzle pieces to a Grand Master Design.

Oh God, where art though? Why must our souls be shards, is it a dirty trick or lesson or a test?

Our free will is nearly begotten.
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WHERE IS YOUR LINK?????



CASTRATION, the removal of testes or ovaries. In the Hebrew Bible, the term saris, commonly rendered "eunuch," occurs more than 40 times. As a rule, the saris designated a court official who, occasionally, even reached the high rank of military commander (II Kings 25:19). Sarisim were found serving at the courts of Egypt (Gen. 37:36), Ethiopia (Jer. 38:7), Persia (Esth. 1:10ff.), and even Israel (II Kings 9:32).


Since in at least one known case (Pharaoh's Potiphar) the saris was definitely married (Gen. 39:7ff.), it is doubtful whether the term always or usually refers specifically to a eunuch rather than to a palace official in general. Whatever the exact designation of the term, Judaism has always forbidden all forms of castration. Alone among the nations of antiquity, the Hebrews imposed a religious prohibition on the emasculation of men and even animals, a prohibition not found in the teachings of Buddha, Confucius, Christ, or Muhammad.

The Bible directly refers to the ban on castration only by excluding castrated animals from serving as sacrifices on the altar (Lev. 22:24), a descendant of Aaron "who hath his stones crushed" from the priestly service (Lev. 21:20), and a man "that is crushed or maimed in his privy parts" from entering into "the assembly of the Lord" (Deut. 23:2), i.e., from marrying within the Jewish community. In the Talmud (Shab. 110b–111a) and codes (e.g., Sh. Ar. EH 5:11–14), the biblical interdict is widely extended to cover any deliberate impairment of the male reproductive organs in domestic animals, beasts, birds, and man, including the castration of a person who is already impotent or genitally maimed.

While technically emasculation does not apply to females, the sterilization of women is also prohibited, though somewhat less severely (ibid.). The Talmud records one view according to which the ban on castration is of universal validity, having been included among the *Noachide Laws (Sanh. 56b).

The explicit disqualification of priestly castrates strikingly indicates how repulsive to Judaism is the notion of emasculating ecclesiastics or temple servants in order to promote their spirituality, let alone for so slight a motive as to preserve the soprano voices of religious choristers (practices widely rampant among ancient and medieval Christians). Jewish law, by contrast, not only abhorred such operations but extended the ban to certain categories of judges and synagogue officials.....

[link to www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org]
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YOU CAN'T BE BORN CASTRATED.

[link to www.well.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 21362482


READ AGAIN WHAT JESUS SAID:


Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”

10 The disciples said to him, “If this is the situation between a husband and wife, it is better not to marry.”

11 Jesus replied, “Not everyone can accept this word, but only those to whom it has been given. 12 For there are eunuchs who were born that way, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by others—and there are those who choose to live like eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. The one who can accept this should accept it.”


BORN ENUCHS-Meaning born without certain limbs not just sexual organs

Man Made Enuchs-Castrated Males

Enuchs- Did not want to Marry..Kept themselves PURE for the Sake of the KINGDOM of HEAVEN...Just like Jesus sauid....

 Quoting: christian



Eunuchs does not mean born without certain limbs. It mean's you were castrated, a effeminate male with no interest in women who can be trusted to watch their bed, or GAY! That's what it means. Where did you come up with the bullshit that it mean's born without certain limbs? That's is a complete LIE YOU JUST MADE UP!


Dr. Robert Gagnon, a prolific anti-gay, evangelical Christian author, admits on his website, that “born eunuchs” in the ancient world were probably gay!

""born eunuchs" in the ancient world did include people homosexually inclined, which incidentally puts to the lie the oft-repeated claim that the ancient world could not even conceive of persons that were congenitally influenced toward exclusive same-sex attractions." - Dr. Gagnon

When an anti-gay evangelical with the scholarly credentials of Dr. Robert Gagnon, a man who steadfastly opposes all homosexual practice as sinful, admits that the Biblical category of "born eunuch" probably included homosexuals, that is an important admission.

In the Jewish New Testament, translated by David Stern, Matthew 19:12 tells us the first class of eunuchs (born eunuchs) do not marry

“because they were born without the desire.”


According to David Stern’s translation, Jesus says that some males are born into the world “without the desire” to marry a woman. Stern understands a born eunuch to be a man born without the desire to marry a woman.

Now doesn’t that sound like a gay man, born without the desire to marry a woman?In the Jewish New Testament, translated by David Stern, Matthew 19:12 tells us the first class of eunuchs (born eunuchs) do not marry

“because they were born without the desire.”


According to David Stern’s translation, Jesus says that some males are born into the world “without the desire” to marry a woman. Stern understands a born eunuch to be a man born without the desire to marry a woman.

Now doesn’t that sound like a gay man, born without the desire to marry a woman?



9 Timeless Truths About Eunuchs:

1. The term eunuch, in history and scripture, frequently referred to gay men. Therefore we conclude that eunuchs are gay or at least some eunuchs are/were gay.


2. The term eunuch, in history, also referred to what we now call lesbians. Lesbians were also known as a "special kind of virgin".


3. Eunuchs-gay men, in history and scripture, are often, anatomically whole, not physically castrated.


4. Eunuchs in history and scripture are frequently, gay men who feel no sexual attraction toward women.


5. Eunuchs are gay men, in history and scripture, who are specifically excluded, by Jesus, from the Adam and Eve marriage paradigm.


6. Eunuchs are gay men, who sometimes married women, in order to fit in culturally.


7. Eunuchs-gay men, historically, were recognized by Rabbis of ancient Judaism, by ancient Roman law and by ancient Christian preachers, as physically intact men, who were born with no sexual attraction toward women, what one ancient preacher referred to as natural chastity.


8. Eunuchs are gay men, in scripture, and were usually outstanding, honourable, brave, Godly men, who occupied a place of great responsibility and spiritual blessing.


9. Eunuchs are gay men, in early church history, who were welcomed into the Eastern church, as pastors, presbyters, deacons and bishops.


Not all Eunuchs were gay, but many were!
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OKAY FOR YOUR SAKE..I AM GOING TO LET YOU GO WITH THIS AND NOW you can answer this not from your opinion but from scripture...

If Jesus says: Some Men are born without desire for women...

Where did he say: They should be able to engage in Sexual relations with anyone or anything?

Where did Jesus say: Enuchs should Marry?

Where did Jesus say..Other than a Marriage between a Man and Woman would be blessed by GOD?


What did Jesus say: HOW ENUCHS could inherit the KINGDOM OF HEAVEN?????

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This is like SPITTING IN GOD'S EYE!!!!

America is SOOOO IN TROUBLE WITH GOD!!!!

I just want to be the First to say that I DON'T APPROVE OF THIS AND I PRAY GOD WILL SPARE MY FAMILY FROM HIS JUDGEMENT!!!!


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God created Adam and Eve. But this one looks like Adam and Steve.
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This is so romantic.Did Obama kiss the bride to be?
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Matthew 19:12 so from birth, and there are eunuchs who have been made eunuchs by men, and there are eunuchs who have made themselves eunuchs for the sake of the kingdom of heaven. Let the one who is able to receive this receive it.”

Isaiah 56:3-5

Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say, “The Lord will surely separate me from his people”; and let not the eunuch say, “Behold, I am a dry tree.” For thus says the Lord: “To the eunuchs who keep my Sabbaths, who choose the things that please me and hold fast my covenant, I will give in my house and within my walls a monument and a name better than sons and daughters; I will give them an everlasting name that shall not be cut off.

Deuteronomy 23:1
“No one whose testicles are crushed or whose male organ is cut off shall enter the assembly of the Lord.

Romans 7:2

For a married woman is bound by law to her husband while he lives, but if her husband dies she is released from the law of marriage.
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It is generally understood that at the non-physical level, people are not limited to their bodily gender. Jesus declared in the Gnostic scriptures that he “came to make the male and the female into a single one, so that the male will not be male and the female not be female.” We may take this to mean that in order to attain to the Wholeness of the Pleroma, all persons are striving toward a spiritual androgyny. In the hyletic phase of development this often manifests as polymorphous bisexuality, in the psychic phase as homosexuality, and in the pneumatic phase it moves increasingly into the area of a spiritually based androgyny. None of these are sinful or should be condemned in Gnostic thinking. The idea of a “crime against nature” is meaningless to the Gnostic, for our nature is not merely physical nature, such as our gender, but our total nature within which all dualities exist.

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