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NRA Preparing To "Push Back" Against The Gun Control Idiots

 
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Are people forgetting we have a Constitution that allows Americans to bare arms?
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at he time the 2nd amendment was written, rifles with 100 round mags didn't exist....in fact rifles of any sort never existed..only muskets and pistols were available.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30250506


Yes, and those were the deadly weapons at the time. 100 years from now we will have Glock 17 laser handguns. What's your point?
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the point is, if the govt. wanted to kill you they would drop a bomb on your head...gnomesayin.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30250506



Still no excuse for attempting to water down the 2nd amendment.
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at he time the 2nd amendment was written, rifles with 100 round mags didn't exist....in fact rifles of any sort never existed..only muskets and pistols were available.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30250506


Yes, and those were the deadly weapons at the time. 100 years from now we will have Glock 17 laser handguns. What's your point?
 Quoting: sunspotkiller


the point is, if the govt. wanted to kill you they would drop a bomb on your head...gnomesayin.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30250506



Still no excuse for attempting to water down the 2nd amendment.
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Pretty soon the stupid ass government will tell you when you can bang your wife.
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With Biden in charge gun control i'm not too worried

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Only a few have the fire of patriotism alive and are aware of what's going on. We're at a disadvantage to our forefathers because everyone wanted to get out from under the boot of the opression and today people are too strung out/lazy/misinformed/scared to know who the enemy is. I pray people will not let the last bastion of freedom in the world fall to these satanic bastards.
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The NRA needs to get off their asses; glad to see that they finally are. Guess they were losing too many members in the last few days.

Actually, Gun Owners of America has always taken a much stronger pro 2nd amendment stance than the NRA.

The NRA acts as though all they represent is hunters and I don't think they can be trusted not to cave in.

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at he time the 2nd amendment was written, rifles with 100 round mags didn't exist....in fact rifles of any sort never existed..only muskets and pistols were available.
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Yes, but what did exist was the same weapons the government had.
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the govt. will ALWAYS have bigger and better toys than you.
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Hey stupid fuck if you want your pussy ass government to tell you when you can piss then stay in your stupid ass country.
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lmao

ya'll are so fucking painfully stupid.
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Guns don't kill.

People kill.



Rocks don't kill

But you can kill someone with a rock.


It the behavior of the human that needs to be addressed not gun control.


It's like the FCC and Janet's nipple. RIDICULOUS
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Are people forgetting we have a Constitution that allows Americans to bare arms?
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Ssshh you're not allowed to say that in this country.
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Guns don't kill.

People kill.





It the behavior of the human that needs to be addressed not gun control.


 Quoting: sunspotkiller


that's EXACTLY why america needs to make sure weapons don't get in the hands of the mentally ill...
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Are people forgetting we have a Constitution that allows Americans to bare arms?
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at he time the 2nd amendment was written, rifles with 100 round mags didn't exist....in fact rifles of any sort never existed..only muskets and pistols were available.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30250506


So what is your point?
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Are people forgetting we have a Constitution that allows Americans to bare arms?
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at he time the 2nd amendment was written, rifles with 100 round mags didn't exist....in fact rifles of any sort never existed..only muskets and pistols were available.
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So what is your point?
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Are people forgetting we have a Constitution that allows Americans to bare arms?
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at he time the 2nd amendment was written, rifles with 100 round mags didn't exist....in fact rifles of any sort never existed..only muskets and pistols were available.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30250506


So what is your point?
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homeruhh
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Guns don't kill.

People kill.





It the behavior of the human that needs to be addressed not gun control.


 Quoting: sunspotkiller


that's EXACTLY why america needs to make sure weapons don't get in the hands of the mentally ill...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30250506


Where I live you have to jump through hoops to get a gun. Classes, permits, background checks etc...

Now if some mentally ill person was threatening me, I'm glad I'll have a loaded gun to protect myself.

That guy murdered children who were 6 & 7 years old. They had no defense. He could of snapped their necks just as easy. Gun control isn't going to make mentally ill people not due mentally ill things.

The USA is taking away programs and money for mentally ill people and education to balance their budgets. There's going to be more side effects like this one.
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I will accept no law that leaves Homeland Security more armed than myself, on the grounds that I have better accuracy with an assault rifle than them, and I wouldn't trust them in a time of foreign invasion more than myself. They'd be prone to letting the guns vanish like they did in 2010.

Our government is too incompetent to be trusted in a case of homeland war, whether it be invasive or civil. It's my responsibility as an American citizen to protect myself, my country, and my constitution.

This war has just begun.
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It is posts like this which give me hope.

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Guns don't kill.

People kill.





It the behavior of the human that needs to be addressed not gun control.


 Quoting: sunspotkiller


that's EXACTLY why america needs to make sure weapons don't get in the hands of the mentally ill...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30250506


Where I live you have to jump through hoops to get a gun. Classes, permits, background checks etc...

Now if some mentally ill person was threatening me, I'm glad I'll have a loaded gun to protect myself.

That guy murdered children who were 6 & 7 years old. They had no defense. He could of snapped their necks just as easy. Gun control isn't going to make mentally ill people not due mentally ill things.

The USA is taking away programs and money for mentally ill people and education to balance their budgets. There's going to be more side effects like this one.
 Quoting: sunspotkiller


this is the problem with you guys.
you can't even admit you have a problem.
what happened is not a joke, 20 babies died because some mentally ill fucktard had easy access to guns.

I pity you.
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Guns don't kill.

People kill.





It the behavior of the human that needs to be addressed not gun control.


 Quoting: sunspotkiller


that's EXACTLY why america needs to make sure weapons don't get in the hands of the mentally ill...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30250506


Where I live you have to jump through hoops to get a gun. Classes, permits, background checks etc...

Now if some mentally ill person was threatening me, I'm glad I'll have a loaded gun to protect myself.

That guy murdered children who were 6 & 7 years old. They had no defense. He could of snapped their necks just as easy. Gun control isn't going to make mentally ill people not due mentally ill things.

The USA is taking away programs and money for mentally ill people and education to balance their budgets. There's going to be more side effects like this one.
 Quoting: sunspotkiller


this is the problem with you guys.
you can't even admit you have a problem.
what happened is not a joke, 20 babies died because some mentally ill fucktard had easy access to guns.

I pity you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30250506


I pity people who take a tragedy and turn it into a political agenda. One batshit crazy guy plans a killing. Spree and it's ever americans fault. No one is making a joke out of this disgusting act. Look at all the mass shootings that take place in the strict gun states run by liberals and you will find the problem.
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Yes, and those were the deadly weapons at the time. 100 years from now we will have Glock 17 laser handguns. What's your point?
 Quoting: sunspotkiller


the point is, if the govt. wanted to kill you they would drop a bomb on your head...gnomesayin.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30250506



Still no excuse for attempting to water down the 2nd amendment.
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


Pretty soon the stupid ass government will tell you when you can bang your wife.
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gay sex only, it's the new norm
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Guns don't kill.

People kill.





It the behavior of the human that needs to be addressed not gun control.


 Quoting: sunspotkiller


that's EXACTLY why america needs to make sure weapons don't get in the hands of the mentally ill...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30250506


Where I live you have to jump through hoops to get a gun. Classes, permits, background checks etc...

Now if some mentally ill person was threatening me, I'm glad I'll have a loaded gun to protect myself.

That guy murdered children who were 6 & 7 years old. They had no defense. He could of snapped their necks just as easy. Gun control isn't going to make mentally ill people not due mentally ill things.

The USA is taking away programs and money for mentally ill people and education to balance their budgets. There's going to be more side effects like this one.
 Quoting: sunspotkiller


this is the problem with you guys.
you can't even admit you have a problem.
what happened is not a joke, 20 babies died because some mentally ill fucktard had easy access to guns.

I pity you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30250506


You guys were disarmed and now you demand everyone else be too ... you're just jealous.

Get over it, people in this country can own firearms ... The laws of the US are really none of your business.

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Are people forgetting we have a Constitution that allows Americans to bare arms?
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at he time the 2nd amendment was written, rifles with 100 round mags didn't exist....in fact rifles of any sort never existed..only muskets and pistols were available.
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to both citizens and military. meaning the best. meaning we also get what they have. there's no split in firepower.
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that's EXACTLY why america needs to make sure weapons don't get in the hands of the mentally ill...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30250506


Where I live you have to jump through hoops to get a gun. Classes, permits, background checks etc...

Now if some mentally ill person was threatening me, I'm glad I'll have a loaded gun to protect myself.

That guy murdered children who were 6 & 7 years old. They had no defense. He could of snapped their necks just as easy. Gun control isn't going to make mentally ill people not due mentally ill things.

The USA is taking away programs and money for mentally ill people and education to balance their budgets. There's going to be more side effects like this one.
 Quoting: sunspotkiller


this is the problem with you guys.
you can't even admit you have a problem.
what happened is not a joke, 20 babies died because some mentally ill fucktard had easy access to guns.

I pity you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30250506


You guys were disarmed and now you demand everyone else be too ... you're just jealous.

Get over it, people in this country can own firearms ... The laws of the US are really none of your business.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


^^this
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In all seriousness and with few exceptions, the Aussies are the biggest goddamned PUSSYs on this board!
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that's EXACTLY why america needs to make sure weapons don't get in the hands of the mentally ill...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30250506


Where I live you have to jump through hoops to get a gun. Classes, permits, background checks etc...

Now if some mentally ill person was threatening me, I'm glad I'll have a loaded gun to protect myself.

That guy murdered children who were 6 & 7 years old. They had no defense. He could of snapped their necks just as easy. Gun control isn't going to make mentally ill people not due mentally ill things.

The USA is taking away programs and money for mentally ill people and education to balance their budgets. There's going to be more side effects like this one.
 Quoting: sunspotkiller


this is the problem with you guys.
you can't even admit you have a problem.
what happened is not a joke, 20 babies died because some mentally ill fucktard had easy access to guns.

I pity you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30250506


You guys were disarmed and now you demand everyone else be too ... you're just jealous.

Get over it, people in this country can own firearms ... The laws of the US are really none of your business.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


did I say that?...where did I say i want you to be disarmed??
and why do you persist in the lie that Australians are disarmed?...we own guns, lots of them.
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that's EXACTLY why america needs to make sure weapons don't get in the hands of the mentally ill...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30250506


Where I live you have to jump through hoops to get a gun. Classes, permits, background checks etc...

Now if some mentally ill person was threatening me, I'm glad I'll have a loaded gun to protect myself.

That guy murdered children who were 6 & 7 years old. They had no defense. He could of snapped their necks just as easy. Gun control isn't going to make mentally ill people not due mentally ill things.

The USA is taking away programs and money for mentally ill people and education to balance their budgets. There's going to be more side effects like this one.
 Quoting: sunspotkiller


this is the problem with you guys.
you can't even admit you have a problem.
what happened is not a joke, 20 babies died because some mentally ill fucktard had easy access to guns.

I pity you.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30250506


You guys were disarmed and now you demand everyone else be too ... you're just jealous.

Get over it, people in this country can own firearms ... The laws of the US are really none of your business.
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


5a hf
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did I say that?...where did I say i want you to be disarmed??
and why do you persist in the lie that Australians are disarmed?...we own guns, lots of them.
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I'm willing to admit I might be inaccurate in my assessment. However, you state "why do you persist" as if I've said this before, which I have not. Hence, you are embellishing your argument to create a straw man.

If what I've heard; that you guys were disarmed a few years ago is incorrect, then I stand corrected, sir.

See, this is how a conversation goes ... when I'm presented with facts that clear up prior inaccuracies, I admit I was wrong ... can you do the same?

Last Edited by Sir Phydeau on 12/18/2012 05:05 PM
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The laws of the US are really none of your business.
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when MY tax dollars stop being used for your warmongering, everything that happens in the U.S is my business.
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the point is, if the govt. wanted to kill you they would drop a bomb on your head...gnomesayin.
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Still no excuse for attempting to water down the 2nd amendment.
 Quoting: Ralph--a house dog


Pretty soon the stupid ass government will tell you when you can bang your wife.
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gay sex only, it's the new norm
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Yeah you are a fucking homo
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The laws of the US are really none of your business.
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when MY tax dollars stop being used for your warmongering, everything that happens in the U.S is my business.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30259866


Please site sources for this heavy tax that's paid to the US by austrailian citizens, sir. Until you do, I have to call bullshit.

Last Edited by Sir Phydeau on 12/18/2012 05:06 PM
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I say fuck the government. If they want some shit...they know where to find it.

All my guns are registered. I will riddle anyone who tresspasses against me full of 308 bullet holes.
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did I say that?...where did I say i want you to be disarmed??
and why do you persist in the lie that Australians are disarmed?...we own guns, lots of them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30259866


I'm willing to admit I might be inaccurate in my assessment. However, you state "why do you persist" as if I've said this before, which I have not. Hence, you are embellishing your argument to create a straw man.

If what I've heard; that you guys were disarmed a few years ago is incorrect, then I stand corrected, sir.

See, this is how a conversation goes ... when I'm presented with facts that clear up prior inaccuracies, I admit I was wrong ... can you do the same?
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


sorry, I meant THE AMERICANS ON THE GLP keep on derping about Aussies being disarmed...this is simply not true.
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did I say that?...where did I say i want you to be disarmed??
and why do you persist in the lie that Australians are disarmed?...we own guns, lots of them.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30259866


I'm willing to admit I might be inaccurate in my assessment. However, you state "why do you persist" as if I've said this before, which I have not. Hence, you are embellishing your argument to create a straw man.

If what I've heard; that you guys were disarmed a few years ago is incorrect, then I stand corrected, sir.

See, this is how a conversation goes ... when I'm presented with facts that clear up prior inaccuracies, I admit I was wrong ... can you do the same?
 Quoting: Sir Phydeau


sorry, I meant THE AMERICANS ON THE GLP keep on derping about Aussies being disarmed...this is simply not true.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30259866


I learned something new today. AWESOME!

Thank you, sir, for saving me from further inaccuracy in my thinking of what were the facts.

EDIT: Now I have to wonder where this inaccurate assumption came from. Were you guys forced to give up handguns or something and we all just assumed that meant all firearms?

Hmmmm. Interesting.

Last Edited by Sir Phydeau on 12/18/2012 05:10 PM
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Avinu shebashamayim, yitkadesh shimkha. Tavo malkhutekha ye'aseh r'tzonekha ba'aretz ka'asher na'asah vashamayimTen-lanu haiyom lechem chukeinu. u'selach-lanu et-ashmateinu ka'asher solechim anachnu la'asher ashmu lanu. Ve'al-tevieinu lidei massah, ki im-hatsileinu min-hara. Ki lekha ha-mamlakha vehagevurah veha-tiferet l'olemei olamim. Amen.
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Re: NRA Preparing To "Push Back" Against The Gun Control Idiots
The NRA will back down like they did in 1994. They are a bunch of pussies. Join the GOA they are the no compromise, no bullshit group.

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