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Would you give up your rights to a GUN if

 
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the answer is NO.

once a population gives up it's
right to own a gun, it is dead.

Our forefathers knew this and exactly
why the 2nd Amendment is there.

the problem here is not guns,
it' drugs.

our government has a pill for every
emotion in the book. and it shoves
that pill down every kids throat.
don't be surprised when that drugged
kid goes ballistic.

however the kids mom has every right to
own a gun, it was her negligence for allowing
a kid on heavy meds to have access to those
guns.

the kid bypassed every gun law in place
to perpetrate this act. no gun law enacted
tomorrow will prevent it from happening again
other than exercising common sense by
gun owners.

the blame here is 2-fold:

1) government pushing drugs to kids
2) negligence of a gun owner

if the gun was not available, then he would
have used a knife instead so we're back
to the gov pushing drugs to kids.

and even though the kid may not have been
on meds at the time, he has been on them
in the past so his brain was already fried
before he became an adult.
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Would you give up your rights to a GUN if you knew for certain that it would have saved those 20 Sandy Hook elementary school children?

If we could go back in time - and change the future - the only condition is: GIVE UP YOUR RIGHTS TO GUNS.

Would you do it?

I say: No, no I wouldn't. And that would be a painful decision.
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Lame. You might as well ask if I would eat my own testicles if they were chopped off and sauteed in cow semen.

You really do fail to understand don't you. The kid was fucked in the head. The gun just added noise to the scenario...if their were no gun involved you'd be reading a story about a kid with a sword, or a knife, or a sharp stick.
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the question was would YOU .... just you! ... not everyone elses rights. just yours....




cmon restore my faith in man! .... please say you misunderstood the question....hiding
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Re: Would you give up your rights to a GUN if
the question was would YOU .... just you! ... not everyone elses rights. just yours....

cmon restore my faith in man! .... please say you misunderstood the question....hiding
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sorry

the answer is still NO

it is a never ending slippery slope

a person gives up their gun right
to save these 26 people

what will they have to give up to
protect the next 26 people ?

this slippery slope ends in infinity

the answer is still NO
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12/18/2012 06:15 PM
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Being another disarmed victim isn't going to bring back the dead. It's only going to create more victims and more dead.
The only defense against Bad guys with guns are Good guys with guns.
Unfortunately to many people in this country are allergic to logic.
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12/18/2012 06:17 PM
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Would anyone give up there lives to save the lives of 1000 children? now answer that question honestly.
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Would you give up your rights to a GUN if you knew for certain that it would have saved those 20 Sandy Hook elementary school children?

If we could go back in time - and change the future - the only condition is: GIVE UP YOUR RIGHTS TO GUNS.

Would you do it?

I say: No, no I wouldn't. And that would be a painful decision.
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First of all, I want to say the children killed was a terrible thing and I express my condolences to the families.

That being said, if it happened every day of the week I wouldn't give up my right to have a gun as it is my right to be able to protect myself with them and more importantly it is the fact that our citizens have them that we are as much as possible protected against an EVIL GOVERNMENT out to enslave the populace.

Citizens of the United States of America, please be watchful of what your government is doing.
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ah i dont know.... think ill sleep on it ....



Dont misudrstand me here... the second ammendment is worth dyin for...........if you havnt yet you should read the supreme courts ruling on the 2nd challenge ... it fully states unequvically ,(sp?,sorry) that its there the 2nd to have the ability to overthrow a tyranical gov... if theyd be so stupid to try to enslave us...with one. VERY good read.... now do you think a single shot or lever action rifle would be sufficient for that .....ummm nope
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Out of curiosity, how does owning a gun prevent tyranny in government? Being a conspiracy site, many of you believe of secret groups controlling the nation. Would your guns prevent a massive army with far superior technology?
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if you havnt yet you should read the supreme courts ruling on the 2nd challenge ... it fully states unequvically ,(sp?,sorry) that its there the 2nd to have the ability to overthrow a tyranical gov... if theyd be so stupid to try to enslave us...with one.
 Quoting: Whiterabbit R.O.


your first mistake is thinking
we are not already enslaved.

when you let the gov shove drugs
down your kids throat, you allow
the slavery to continue by consent.

then you are just as guilty as the gov.
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Would anyone give up there lives to save the lives of 1000 children? now answer that question honestly.
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In the end i guess i would , ive lived a great life... BUT id have to have time to explain the situation to my kids an sig other....




I wouldnt have any choice.... my pa didnt raise a hypocrite


" the most valuable gift one can give is thier life" .. whered i hear that one so longago.....hmmmmmmmmm


things that make ya go hmmmm


oh before i got hen ck out the stock asma ... maybe ...oh hell its been along day... be rioght back
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Out of curiosity, how does owning a gun prevent tyranny in government? Being a conspiracy site, many of you believe of secret groups controlling the nation. Would your guns prevent a massive army with far superior technology?
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No, but it at least gives you a fighting chance. Otherwise you are either dead or a slave.
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Would anyone give up there lives to save the lives of 1000 children? now answer that question honestly.
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In the end i guess i would , ive lived a great life... BUT id have to have time to explain the situation to my kids an sig other....




I wouldnt have any choice.... my pa didnt raise a hypocrite


" the most valuable gift one can give is thier life" .. whered i hear that one so longago.....hmmmmmmmmm


things that make ya go hmmmm


oh before i got hen ck out the stock asma ... maybe ...oh hell its been along day... be right back



its ambs , the ceo of amgen, one of em had some REALLY great things to say about it... and you can buy a BUNCH dirt cheap .... sold fscebook for it....now i probably jinxed my own badself... oh well.... see a sacrifice for you!!!
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Re: Would you give up your rights to a GUN if
Out of curiosity, how does owning a gun prevent tyranny in government? Being a conspiracy site, many of you believe of secret groups controlling the nation. Would your guns prevent a massive army with far superior technology?
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an invasion of Normandy (Operation Overlord)
would not have been possible without help
from the French Resistance forces who owned
guns in France.

these forces mapped out the French coast
of artillery batteries and enemy
gun positions and troop locations.

France was saved from Hitler by gun owners.

look at history and you will see this
is a repeated event.
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Out of curiosity, how does owning a gun prevent tyranny in government? Being a conspiracy site, many of you believe of secret groups controlling the nation. Would your guns prevent a massive army with far superior technology?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30212215


No, but it at least gives you a fighting chance. Otherwise you are either dead or a slave.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30137746




Could put a big ol hurt on em... and enough of us? ...


remember also theyve SWORN to UPHOLD the constitution, as i have also




ya can also take the goodies away from them an use em against em..........


One would have to TRY , yes even die tryin
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12/18/2012 06:38 PM
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Re: Would you give up your rights to a GUN if
If I knew for certain it would save those kids?
Absolutely!

I didn't know a single one, but had I been there....
I hope I'd have the stones to give up my life to save those kids.


And just to qualify it, I mean my guns. I wouldn't take away the ability of my fellow Americans to defend themselves.

My guns are for saving and protecting myself and others. If I could accomplish that by giving them up... that I'd do.
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I personally have never owned a gun, nor have I ever felt there was a reason to own one.

I understand there are violent areas and walks of life, but that doesn't mean there has to be.

What it all comes down to are what guns really are... We know that, don't we? They're designed and engineered to kill people.

If you own a gun, you've already taken that step in the direction of intent.

People will say that they would only use it to defend themselves and their families, but time and time again those responsible words backfire as the drama of life and personal escalating events lead to fowl play, accidents and fulfilled intent.
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if you can get a magic geenie to snap his fingers and make EVERY SINGLE FIREARM on the planet dissapear then im OK with that.

but thats stoopid

besides then we wouldnt stand a chance against the aliens
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So you would rather have it so that the young and strong can terrorize the weak and old? A gun is an equaliser. It makes a 70 year old grandmother as powerful as a 20 year old gang-banger.
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sure, because i'm young and strong bitch!
SLAM THAT CLAM
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I personally have never owned a gun, nor have I ever felt there was a reason to own one.

I understand there are violent areas and walks of life, but that doesn't mean there has to be.

What it all comes down to are what guns really are... We know that, don't we? They're designed and engineered to kill people.

If you own a gun, you've already taken that step in the direction of intent.

People will say that they would only use it to defend themselves and their families, but time and time again those responsible words backfire as the drama of life and personal escalating events lead to fowl play, accidents and fulfilled intent.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27944212


oh please, spare me the whining.

if it were not for gun owners in 1776,
you would not be enjoying what freedom
you have left today.

besides, millions of guns are manufactured
every yr. only one out of billions actually
create a massacre.

actually you stand a better chance of winning
the lottery than being killed in a massacre
by those odds.
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Re: Would you give up your rights to a GUN if
I personally have never owned a gun, nor have I ever felt there was a reason to own one.

I understand there are violent areas and walks of life, but that doesn't mean there has to be.

What it all comes down to are what guns really are... We know that, don't we? They're designed and engineered to kill people.

If you own a gun, you've already taken that step in the direction of intent.

People will say that they would only use it to defend themselves and their families, but time and time again those responsible words backfire as the drama of life and personal escalating events lead to fowl play, accidents and fulfilled intent.
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This was posted by a guy on the Zerohedge.com website, who has mentoned on a number of occasions that he is a parole officer

it is a powerful retort to your post:


Comments by cloud9.5

The horror, my God the horror, innocent children slaughtered, a mother murdered by her own son, how ghastly can it get? Understand that there are people who walk among us that have no souls. They are like black holes and will suck in and destroy those that come in contact with them.

I once had long conversations with a man named Herbert Lee Evans. He liked to murder and rape little girls. He liked them just as they were about to go through the change. We think he murdered 18. After several years he came to realize I was never going to recommend him for parole. So our little annual meetings became simply a formality. In time we took off our social masks and I asked him, “Lee why did you kill those little girls before you raped them?” He said, “Mr. C., I just didn’t like to hear them bitch!” The bastard finally died in prison from liver cancer. I hope he died screaming. It could not have happened to a more deserving guy.

Understand folks that there are evil people in the world. The only reason that any of us are still alive is because one of these heartless bastards has not locked onto us. If one of them wants you he will get to you. The police cannot protect you. Your family cannot protect you. Our perceived security provides us a false feeling of safety but rest assured, it is but an illusion. There is no greater security than that which can be had in our prisons. Murders, rapes and robberies still take place. So, in the night, when the glass breaks it is up to you.

The simple fact is that you cannot make yourself safe by making me defenseless. The right to self-defense is a natural right. It is not a privilege given to me by the state. Neither you nor the state can take that right from me. Attempt it and you will spark a civil war.
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Would you give up your rights to a GUN if you knew for certain that it would have saved those 20 Sandy Hook elementary school children?

If we could go back in time - and change the future - the only condition is: GIVE UP YOUR RIGHTS TO GUNS.

Would you do it?

I say: No, no I wouldn't. And that would be a painful decision.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29081231


What about if the principal, one of the first people to run into the guy had a ccw lisence? or maybe there was a cop there.
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Would anyone give up there lives to save the lives of 1000 children? now answer that question honestly.
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would you give up yours to save all the kids we have sent to viet nam 2.0?they are dieing on your behalf as well as mine.we pay them and train them with our tax dollars?this whole thread is a bull shit pipe dream
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Would you give up your rights to a GUN if you knew for certain that it would have saved those 20 Sandy Hook elementary school children?

If we could go back in time - and change the future - the only condition is: GIVE UP YOUR RIGHTS TO GUNS.

Would you do it?

I say: No, no I wouldn't. And that would be a painful decision.
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You can't give up what was given to you by God.
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I personally have never owned a gun, nor have I ever felt there was a reason to own one.

I understand there are violent areas and walks of life, but that doesn't mean there has to be.

What it all comes down to are what guns really are... We know that, don't we? They're designed and engineered to kill people.

If you own a gun, you've already taken that step in the direction of intent.

People will say that they would only use it to defend themselves and their families, but time and time again those responsible words backfire as the drama of life and personal escalating events lead to fowl play, accidents and fulfilled intent.
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eh? nevr heard of target shooting.. its just GREAT!!!


wondefull hobby great way to spend a sunday afternoon with the wife an kids.. and yes its true womenfolks are natuarlly better marksmen... just born that way....
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if you can get a magic geenie to snap his fingers and make EVERY SINGLE FIREARM on the planet dissapear then im OK with that.

but thats stoopid

besides then we wouldnt stand a chance against the aliens
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So you would rather have it so that the young and strong can terrorize the weak and old? A gun is an equaliser. It makes a 70 year old grandmother as powerful as a 20 year old gang-banger.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30261085


sure, because i'm young and strong bitch!
 Quoting: EVIL_BEAN_KID


ummm learned to french kiss yet? ....( dont ask me where that one came from....)


YIKEShiding
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I remember a few times during history
that people were forced to give up their
right to marry and have children.

Hitler's eugenics program
was one example. No ethnic German
was allowed to marry a Jewish nor
have a Jewish baby. Hitler
even murdered his own niece
because she carried a Jewish baby
in her womb.

Jewish sterilization of Ethiopian
Jewish women was another example

The US's sterilization of welfare
recipients in the deep south was
another example

Princess Diana was murdered because
she carried a Muslim child in her womb
at the time of her death

why don't you ask those people
if giving up their rights
was worth it ???

this is the slippery slope I mentioned
earlier.
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The premise of your question is misleading. Gun control laws don't protect innocent children. They put them in danger. Those kids were in a school where no guns were allowed. Did that protect them?

I understand what your saying, but the question gives too much away.
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Re: Would you give up your rights to a GUN if
No.

Dis-armed, we would become subjects of a Police State by the current would-be Tyrants in office. We would no longer be citizens with unalienable rights.

Possession of arms is a necessary component of defense of Liberty and Life itself.
In his book, "Between Two Ages," Brzezinski wrote: "The technetronic era involves the gradual appearance of a more controlled society. Such a society would be dominated by an elite, unrestrained by traditional values."

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Would you give up your rights to a GUN if you knew for certain that it would have saved those 20 Sandy Hook elementary school children?

If we could go back in time - and change the future - the only condition is: GIVE UP YOUR RIGHTS TO GUNS.

Would you do it?

I say: No, no I wouldn't. And that would be a painful decision.
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Those who give up rights for security will get neither.
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An interesting thing to look at is crime. Look at crime in Chicago- this place has some of the toughest gun laws in the country. The citizens are getting slaughtered and why? Because the good citizens have a tough time arming themselves against the criminal element.

[link to crimeinchicago.blogspot.com]

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