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Fact: Banning guns will saves lives
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Fact: Banning guns will result in more people being killed by knives, axes and baseball bats.
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- The rate of gun ownership is higher in rural areas than in urban areas, but the murder rate is higher in urban areas.

True, but due to people being away from one another, they don't fight, or kill, nearly as much. This isn't a real argument.

- The rate of gun ownership is higher among whites than among blacks, but the murder rate is higher among blacks.


Legal gun ownership. Due to the heavy gang influence and desperation in some communities the illegal gun ownership is higher as well as crime.

If guns prevent crimes, then shouldn't being a black gang member be safer than a white child with no gun ownership?

No, of course not.

- For the country as a whole, hand-gun ownership doubled in the late 20th century, while the murder rate went down.

True. Also not actually related. The murder rate has gone despite guns, not because of them.

- Britain has had a lower murder rate than the United States for more than two centuries — and, for most of that time, the British had no more stringent gun-control laws than the United States.


They sent their troublemakers out of the country. To ours. So yes, they had a lower murder rate. This has little to do with weapons at all however.

- In the middle of the 20th century, you could buy a shotgun in London with no questions asked. New York, which at that time had had the stringent Sullivan Law restricting gun ownership since 1911, still had several times the gun-murder rate of London, as well as several times the London murder rate with other weapons.


There population had increased, which give a much higher level of social pressure, increasing both violent and non-violent crime.

- The crime rate, including the rate of crimes committed with guns, is far higher in Britain now than it was back in the days when there were few restrictions on Britons buying firearms.

True. However that doesn't really prove it's related to firearms at all. It maybe however, so is worth looking in to.

- In 1954, there were only a dozen armed robberies in London but, by the 1990s — after decades of ever tightening gun-ownership restrictions — there were more than a hundred times as many armed robberies.


There may have been a thousand times more, if they'd had easy access to guns. Without a metric to determine the baseline, this statement is meaningless.

- Other countries with stronger gun-control laws than the United States, such as Russia, Brazil, and Mexico have higher murder rates than the United States.


Which came first however? The high crime rate, or the control of the weapons? It's like saying that diets naturally make people fat, since, clearly, you only ever see heavy people dieting.

*Yes, some moron's think that way.

- Gun ownership has been three times as high in Switzerland as in Germany, but the Swiss have had lower murder rates. Other countries with high rates of gun ownership and low murder rates include Israel, New Zealand, and Finland.


Wait, Israel has a low murder rate? Damn whiners! Here I thought they had a lot of deaths over there!

Well, learn something new each day!

*I'm not anti-gun ownership at all. I just thought I'd point out all the low hanging fruit here. These don't blow anything out of the water at all.
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Fact: Banning guns will saves lives
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Fact: Banning guns will result in more people being killed by knives, axes and baseball bats.
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Fact: I personally have a better chance of taking out a person in a fight with a knife, bat or ax than a machine gun.

At least if I have to start from an unarmed position.
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Fact: Banning guns will saves lives
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Fact: Banning guns will result in more people being killed by knives, axes and baseball bats.
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Fact: I personally have a better chance of taking out a person in a fight with a knife, bat or ax than a machine gun.

At least if I have to start from an unarmed position.
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Curious that people frame the argument in personal terms. I suppose they can't really think beyond that.
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Nice facts
How many feminists does it take to screw in a lightbulb? One. She stands there with the bulb in the socket and waits for the world to revolve around her.
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Fact: Banning guns will saves lives
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You are absolutely correct.
6'3" 250 pound, puffy-coat wearing Negro perpetrators with corn rows, prison physiques and pent-up aggression will no longer be shot and killed by their innocent victims during carjackings or after kicking in the front door of unarmed Whites at 3 AM, thus the brothas' lives will be saved......

Yes, let's disarm the American White, thereby removing the last and most effective deterrent to Negro aggression and brutality. -The wet dream of our Black Supremacist poster from the Bahamas.
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There are two different conversations happening right now, one side wants to talk about more gun control, while the other is talking about the real issue, mental health.
When we had state sanitariums crazy people had a lot less access to firearms.
The last 3 out of four mass shootings involved crazy young men 25 and under.
Loughner, Holmes, and now Lanza.
And the fourth one was the Sikh temple massacre.
How crazy was he, he couldn't tell the difference between Sikhs and Arabs.

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Nothing to do with guns anyway, if he couldn't get guns he would have made an IED or tried to go stabby mac stab with a knife or whatever.

The method he used is not really relevant to the cause of the problem, guns didn't sidle up to him and say "hey kid, let's go kill somebody" no... it was the antipyshoctic drugs your system had him on which are KNOWN to have side effects causing violent behaviour.


Stop
talking about the guns, tptb are using this incident (in a very cynical fashion, using the death of children to further their agenda) to disarm you when the real culprit is the drug industry who pour money into the elites pockets.

Fucked up is putting it mildly.

You guys need to refuse to enter into any debate about guns over this incident, don't let people with agendas move the focus away from the real problem, the forced drugging of American kids.
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I agree!
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This is not a black or white issue this is a freedom issue. Don't make this about race. I've been a very prejudice person in the past,wise up.
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I do not give a fuck what the numbers are. I have the RIGHT to own a gun. it does not matter what the murder rate is, or the crime rate, or if 10 children out of the 200,000,000 in this country shoot themselves thinking it's a toy gun. I do not care about that and it DOES NOT MATTER regarding my right to own a gun.

if someone tells me it does matter, we will have a problem.
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This kind of helps explain why there is so much murder and gun crime in America. Attitude and culture.
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This kind of helps explain why you didn't even bother reading the original statistics, which says that murder and gun crime is lower in America than other countries with stricter gun control laws.
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Fact: Banning guns will saves lives
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That's not a fact that's a lie.

FACT: Banning guns will destroy lives.

The only people that will be prevented from owning guns, by banning guns, are law abiding citizens. Therefore they will be murdered more often when attacked by criminals, because they did not have a gun to defend themselves.
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Over 2000% more children die every year from drowning than firearms...

Ban water...
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Please don't give the psychos any ideas, they wanna tax the air you breathe based upon the carbon you consume and they have already tried to convince people that there was no scientific evidence that H2O hydrates the body. So a water ban doesn't seem to far out there.
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This kind of helps explain why there is so much murder and gun crime in America. Attitude and culture.
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and that kind of helps explain why you are not free. Attitude and culture.

stay in Malaysia.
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right on
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Habeas Corpus

Malaysia +1

US 0

your guns dont mean shite. Oh, Americans are sooooo free. Just don't get in TPTB's way or your illusion will be shattered.
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Agreed. They are as free as their debt ceiling lol

Lol, we ALL are soo screwed..
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I've seen nothing but the same drivel from the pro-gunners since last Friday. Hell, Trinity was probably the first one to start a thread on here about it. But here's one thing I can tell you for sure. Things are about to change this time for sure. Oh you betcha. Last Friday touched a raw spot for alot of people in America. It has affected almost everyone and people are thinking twice about then entire gun issue. It has always been a hot topic. But NRA with their deep pockets are always able to keep the issue under control. But I believe last Friday is going to prove to be the tipping point. And we will definitely see this boil over.

But I have never seen such repugnant and disrespectful behavior from the GLP community towards the victims of last Friday morning. Even the NRA had the sense to keep their mouths shut over the weekend and not issue a statement about Friday's incident until today. They know that a very raw nerve was hit this time.
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guns are bad....they kill people...bsflag yet cigarettes,automobiles,alcohol,kitchen knives,rope,ladders,scissors,water(pools),opiates(yes the same ones big pharma hand out like tic tacs)and the list goes on and on and on and......are all just fine n dandy....this gun grabbing bullshit has gotta stop...expect MANY more false flags til they get their agenda pushed thrrantu....but,im not quite sure if the civil war to follow is what they are prepared for....or maybe they are?...hence fema camps,body bags,millions of rounds of .40 cal etc....we are all in deep deep doo doo people...man up...protect thy neighbor and stay UNITED!!!!!
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The issue surrounding gun ownership and the presence of firearms in the United States is a complex one. Unfortunately, very few people who support restrictive gun control laws or especially, outright banning of firearms can grasp the full spectrum of this issue.

It is not often when one can look at political ideology and find a clear-cut "right" vs. "wrong" in the positions of the two sides but this is one issue that definitely fits that description.

Most liberals have long adopted the viewpoint that the high rate of gun violence and gun deaths in the United States equates precisely to the large number of firearms in existence in this country and that there is no need to explore the subject any further. This however is faulty logic. Here is my take on why they see it that way and are inadvertently aiding and abetting dark forces who really DO wish to deprive law abiding Americans of their Second Amendment rights.

1. Most liberals are by nature passive or peaceful. Nothing at all wrong with that. However, this outlook or nature tends to leave one with a few blanks in their awareness. And one of these blanks is the mistake of "getting off the bus" at the concept of gun presence = gun violence, period. If this were true then we would also need to ban motor vehicles, since motor vehicles are "responsible" for nearly 30,000 deaths each year in the US, as opposed to 10,000 gun deaths. Some motor vehicle deaths are homicides and some are suicides even though most are genuine accidents. And yet no one, including most liberals, would ever suggest that all motor vehicles should be banned altogether. Why not, if the issue of gun deaths vis-a-vis gun ownership/presence of guns is such a simple equation? Because the liberal mindset does not automatically equate motor vehicle presence with violent death, that's why.

2. All feelings, notions, ideas, beliefs and personal principles are directed by one's individual makeup or nature. As a result, when one thinks of guns only in association with violence then one assumes that the problem can be solved by simply removing the guns. I have a couple of liberal friends who are quite intelligent and well-educated, as most liberals are. But when it comes to guns they cannot see beyond the notion of guns = violence and death, therefore guns must be banned. These guys do not understand the idea of target shooting for sport, collecting for fun and profit, preserving family heirlooms or anything at all other than "guns kill people so guns must GO!"

3. Conservatives and moderates as well on the other hand do not have this mindset and this is basically because of a difference in their basic nature. While the vast majority of conservatives are also not violent people by nature or practice, they do understand the full spectrum of the issue. And this is mainly because they do not possess the same mental block. Instead of seeing guns as the problem, they are willing to look into other and more complex areas, such as mental health, over medicating of today's youth, continuing racial and ethnic discord in American society, various other social problems which are common in the Industrialized world and most especially in American, and on and on and on. When one possesses the ability to look at these issues more or less honestly, or at least look at them at all, they quickly understand that deaths caused by firearms are not the result of the firearms themselves but the result of misuse of same. And that is a drastically different issue.

4. Another thing that most liberals cannot seem to grasp, for the same reason relating to the mental block mentioned above, is that banning guns in the US would be one thing, removing altogether would be quite another. While the former could be done the latter would be impossible. And this would result in a most unfortunate situation. As the old bumper sticker from the NRA used to say, "When guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns." That is a most chilling thought indeed, for anyone who thinks the whole issue to its conclusion. And in what may be the ultimate twist of irony, if guns were actually banned in the US, then the outlaws (including those who would become criminals for simply refusing to give up their 2nd Amendment rights) would become the only line of defense against vicious government tyranny.

5. Relating closely to the above is the old Latin adage that is frequently employed in the legal community: "Qui Bono," which means, "Who Benefits?"
Who would benefit by outlawing guns in America? Those who wish to take complete control over the whole of the nation, the whole of American society and in so doing, eliminate the last bastion of freedom from the American people, that's who. Nothing could accomplish this more rapidly than an all out ban on the ownership and possession of firearms.

It may well be true that 10,000 Americans die from gun incidents each year. Nearly two million Americans die from all causes combined each year. And it seems unlikely that we are going to be able to stop that from any sort of legislation or draconian government edict. Mayor Bloomberg in New York City can demand total bans on firearms, total bans on 32 oz. sodas, on trans fats and on who knows what else but this will not stop people from dying in New York.

However, if you are a law abiding citizen trying to live a peaceful and law abiding life and a crazed and armed thug or a gang of home invaders smashes into your house at 2AM one fine morning, there is no argument that you would have a much better chance of surviving that if you are legally able to protect yourself with a loaded firearm at the ready than you would if you were disarmed by legislation that was claimed to make you "safer."
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I've seen nothing but the same drivel from the pro-gunners since last Friday. Hell, Trinity was probably the first one to start a thread on here about it. But here's one thing I can tell you for sure. Things are about to change this time for sure. Oh you betcha. Last Friday touched a raw spot for alot of people in America. It has affected almost everyone and people are thinking twice about then entire gun issue. It has always been a hot topic. But NRA with their deep pockets are always able to keep the issue under control. But I believe last Friday is going to prove to be the tipping point. And we will definitely see this boil over.

But I have never seen such repugnant and disrespectful behavior from the GLP community towards the victims of last Friday morning. Even the NRA had the sense to keep their mouths shut over the weekend and not issue a statement about Friday's incident until today. They know that a very raw nerve was hit this time.
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stfu We talk about the issues here>How is that disrespect?
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Fact: Banning guns will saves lives
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FACT: Banning abortion will save millions more lives than banning guns ever will.

This is what happens with gun control:

Stalin 75,000,000 dead
Mao 78,000,000 dead
Pol Pot 1,700, 000 dead

This is what happens without a ban on abortion:

58,700,000 dead 1990 thru 2007 and continuing...

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All guns are BANNED in Norway except for MILITARY and POLICE.

...and we can see how well that ban worked. :grnrolleyes:



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That is just plain false.

[link to www.gunpolicy.org]

But yeah sure we do have more hunting weapons than 'gang' weapons.
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Fact: Banning guns will saves lives
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bermuda triangle kill people by sinking ships and making airplanes crash.......BAN THE BERMUDA TRIANGLE NOW.......
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I do not give a fuck what the numbers are. I have the RIGHT to own a gun. it does not matter what the murder rate is, or the crime rate, or if 10 children out of the 200,000,000 in this country shoot themselves thinking it's a toy gun. I do not care about that and it DOES NOT MATTER regarding my right to own a gun.

if someone tells me it does matter, we will have a problem.
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This kind of helps explain why there is so much murder and gun crime in America. Attitude and culture.
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You are being culturally bigoted and racist.
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- The rate of gun ownership is higher in rural areas than in urban areas, but the murder rate is higher in urban areas.

- The rate of gun ownership is higher among whites than among blacks, but the murder rate is higher among blacks.

- For the country as a whole, hand-gun ownership doubled in the late 20th century, while the murder rate went down.

- Britain has had a lower murder rate than the United States for more than two centuries — and, for most of that time, the British had no more stringent gun-control laws than the United States.

- In the middle of the 20th century, you could buy a shotgun in London with no questions asked. New York, which at that time had had the stringent Sullivan Law restricting gun ownership since 1911, still had several times the gun-murder rate of London, as well as several times the London murder rate with other weapons.

- The crime rate, including the rate of crimes committed with guns, is far higher in Britain now than it was back in the days when there were few restrictions on Britons buying firearms.

- In 1954, there were only a dozen armed robberies in London but, by the 1990s — after decades of ever tightening gun-ownership restrictions — there were more than a hundred times as many armed robberies.

- Other countries with stronger gun-control laws than the United States, such as Russia, Brazil, and Mexico have higher murder rates than the United States.

- Gun ownership has been three times as high in Switzerland as in Germany, but the Swiss have had lower murder rates. Other countries with high rates of gun ownership and low murder rates include Israel, New Zealand, and Finland.

[link to www.nationalreview.com]
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So where in this littany of facts, which I happen to agree with, does it say legislators can't do things to say, keep guns out of the hands of deranged lunatics! Maybe close the "gun show" loop holes?

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Friends,

Its not about the "guns". They know damn well they can not disarm Americans with already over 270 million guns on the streets. That is not the goal.
Why do you think they have dumped all our tax dollars into FEMA detention camps? Why do you think they lowered the standards so half brained pimple faced tards can dawn a badge and a gun?
They want our FREEDOM, not our guns. If they can accomplish making possession of a firearm a felony then they have won the battle.
Why do i say this? Because they know "most" Americans, when faced with a fucking swat team at their door with a search warrant to look for their guns, will surrender instead of attempting to battle 30 fully auto armed swat/military authority crazed pigs that have surrounded their house, each waiting to be the first to shoot and get their thrill kill GOD complex rush.
Most will give in and take the felony charge instead of following up on the "pry it from my cold dead hands" argument.
Once you are a felon, every right you once had... is gone for good. Especially the right to own a gun.
Just like marijuana, making guns illegal will generate un-Godly amounts of money via court and legal fees.... while at the same time stripping you of all your rights.
It will also assure those hundreds of FEMA detention centers are being put to use.
IMO this is the real goal behind the agenda to take away our right to bare arms.
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This kind of helps explain why there is so much murder and gun crime in America. Attitude and culture.
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Guns are a fact of life in the US of A. If there are no guns but for thre criminals and gooberment, then look around ... you've joined the rest of the third world shit holes on the planet waiting for a dictator to "lead" the people.

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Friends,

Its not about the "guns". They know damn well they can not disarm Americans with already over 270 million guns on the streets. That is not the goal.
Why do you think they have dumped all our tax dollars into FEMA detention camps? Why do you think they lowered the standards so half brained pimple faced tards can dawn a badge and a gun?
They want our FREEDOM, not our guns. If they can accomplish making possession of a firearm a felony then they have won the battle.
Why do i say this? Because they know "most" Americans, when faced with a fucking swat team at their door with a search warrant to look for their guns,
will surrender instead of attempting to battle 30 fully auto armed swat/military authority crazed pigs that have surrounded their house, each waiting to be the first to shoot and get their thrill kill GOD complex rush.
Most will give in and take the felony charge instead of following up on the "pry it from my cold dead hands" argument.
Once you are a felon, every right you once had... is gone for good. Especially the right to own a gun.
Just like marijuana, making guns illegal will generate un-Godly amounts of money via court and legal fees.... while at the same time stripping you of all your rights.
It will also assure those hundreds of FEMA detention centers are being put to use.
IMO this is the real goal behind the agenda to take away our right to bare arms.
 Quoting: Yuri Gervasii


I don't think you realize what you are saying. If THEY do that, then WE will have won.

The reason?

If they over react in that kind of style so easily, then all anyone has to do that wants to manipulate them against his enemies is to take throw away guns and put them in his enemies parked cars and then phone in tips.

That is how you really fight this tyranny. Not through confrontation, but by cleverly manipulating them into expending their violence against itself. Easy. For a $100 throw away piece you can get that 30 man SWAT team to your enemies door. It would be a dream come true!
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Over 2000% more children die every year from drowning than firearms...

Ban water...
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Check out my "Calling Liberals and Democrats - Save the Children Thread" for anyone who cares to talk numbers.

Its related to a few posts above, where CatBTX lays it out for all to plainly see.

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Friends,

Its not about the "guns". They know damn well they can not disarm Americans with already over 270 million guns on the streets. That is not the goal.
Why do you think they have dumped all our tax dollars into FEMA detention camps? Why do you think they lowered the standards so half brained pimple faced tards can dawn a badge and a gun?
They want our FREEDOM, not our guns. If they can accomplish making possession of a firearm a felony then they have won the battle.
Why do i say this? Because they know "most" Americans, when faced with a fucking swat team at their door with a search warrant to look for their guns,
will surrender instead of attempting to battle 30 fully auto armed swat/military authority crazed pigs that have surrounded their house, each waiting to be the first to shoot and get their thrill kill GOD complex rush.
Most will give in and take the felony charge instead of following up on the "pry it from my cold dead hands" argument.
Once you are a felon, every right you once had... is gone for good. Especially the right to own a gun.
Just like marijuana, making guns illegal will generate un-Godly amounts of money via court and legal fees.... while at the same time stripping you of all your rights.
It will also assure those hundreds of FEMA detention centers are being put to use.
IMO this is the real goal behind the agenda to take away our right to bare arms.
 Quoting: Yuri Gervasii


I don't think you realize what you are saying. If THEY do that, then WE will have won.

The reason?

If they over react in that kind of style so easily, then all anyone has to do that wants to manipulate them against his enemies is to take throw away guns and put them in his enemies parked cars and then phone in tips.

That is how you really fight this tyranny. Not through confrontation, but by cleverly manipulating them into expending their violence against itself. Easy. For a $100 throw away piece you can get that 30 man SWAT team to your enemies door. It would be a dream come true!
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An example of 4th and 5th gen war exactly. For all you idiots out there who think it is about who has the baddest weapons read and try to understand.

The gubmint can have all the awesome power it can muster, the drones,hellfires,bradleys, tanks,apaches and a 100 divisions and it won't avail anything except defeat and failure against tactics like this.

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Fact: Banning guns will saves lives
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Who's lives?
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Hear, Hear.

It's not a War on Guns, people. It's a war on people who think independently. After they outlaw guns, then it will be how you think or what you believe. They won't stop until you have submitted completely or are completely marginalized - or dead.

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Leftist non-news infotainment/opinion flash ... that battle of controlling what you think has already been waged and lost. If you doubt what I say just try for one night to digest an hour of CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS or MSNBC journalism.

Al Sharpton as a host ... c'mon tantrum
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Re: THOMAS SOWELL blows up the entire ANTI-GUN argument a few brief paragraphs...
Hear, Hear.

It's not a War on Guns, people. It's a war on people who think independently. After they outlaw guns, then it will be how you think or what you believe. They won't stop until you have submitted completely or are completely marginalized - or dead.

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Leftist non-news infotainment/opinion flash ... that battle of controlling what you think has already been waged and lost. If you doubt what I say just try for one night to digest an hour of CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS or MSNBC journalism.

Al Sharpton as a host ... c'mon tantrum
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By your own post you have negated your own assertion.

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