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THOMAS SOWELL blows up the entire ANTI-GUN argument a few brief paragraphs...

 
s. d. butler

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- The rate of gun ownership is higher in rural areas than in urban areas, but the murder rate is higher in urban areas.

- The rate of gun ownership is higher among whites than among blacks, but the murder rate is higher among blacks.

- For the country as a whole, hand-gun ownership doubled in the late 20th century, while the murder rate went down.

- Britain has had a lower murder rate than the United States for more than two centuries and, for most of that time, the British had no more stringent gun-control laws than the United States.

- In the middle of the 20th century, you could buy a shotgun in London with no questions asked. New York, which at that time had had the stringent Sullivan Law restricting gun ownership since 1911, still had several times the gun-murder rate of London, as well as several times the London murder rate with other weapons.

- The crime rate, including the rate of crimes committed with guns, is far higher in Britain now than it was back in the days when there were few restrictions on Britons buying firearms.

- In 1954, there were only a dozen armed robberies in London but, by the 1990s after decades of ever tightening gun-ownership restrictions there were more than a hundred times as many armed robberies.

- Other countries with stronger gun-control laws than the United States, such as Russia, Brazil, and Mexico have higher murder rates than the United States.

- Gun ownership has been three times as high in Switzerland as in Germany, but the Swiss have had lower murder rates. Other countries with high rates of gun ownership and low murder rates include Israel, New Zealand, and Finland.

[link to www.nationalreview.com]
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So where in this littany of facts, which I happen to agree with, does it say legislators can't do things to say, keep guns out of the hands of deranged lunatics! Maybe close the "gun show" loop holes?
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And what are the "gun show" loop holes?
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And what are the "gun show" loop holes?

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In some states, however you define a "gun show", as opposed to background checks and mandatory wait times, you get a gun right away, no questions asked.

There seems some room for improvement imho.

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Hear, Hear.

It's not a War on Guns, people. It's a war on people who think independently. After they outlaw guns, then it will be how you think or what you believe. They won't stop until you have submitted completely or are completely marginalized - or dead.

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Leftist non-news infotainment/opinion flash ... that battle of controlling what you think has already been waged and lost. If you doubt what I say just try for one night to digest an hour of CNN, NBC, ABC, CBS or MSNBC journalism.

Al Sharpton as a host ... c'mon tantrum
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By your own post you have negated your own assertion.
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I didn't say everybody drank the koolaid
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Re: THOMAS SOWELL blows up the entire ANTI-GUN argument a few brief paragraphs...
And what are the "gun show" loop holes?

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In some states, however you define a "gun show", as opposed to background checks and mandatory wait times, you get a gun right away, no questions asked.

There seems some room for improvement imho.
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I understand you are well intentioned. I won't go into my objections to more government control.
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Re: THOMAS SOWELL blows up the entire ANTI-GUN argument a few brief paragraphs...
I do not give a fuck what the numbers are. I have the RIGHT to own a gun. it does not matter what the murder rate is, or the crime rate, or if 10 children out of the 200,000,000 in this country shoot themselves thinking it's a toy gun. I do not care about that and it DOES NOT MATTER regarding my right to own a gun.

if someone tells me it does matter, we will have a problem.
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This kind of helps explain why there is so much murder and gun crime in America. Attitude and culture.
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Some Americans do not understand the difference between natural rights and assigned rights, or that assigned rights have the potential to be curtailed by those who perform that assignment.
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Re: THOMAS SOWELL blows up the entire ANTI-GUN argument a few brief paragraphs...
And what are the "gun show" loop holes?

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In some states, however you define a "gun show", as opposed to background checks and mandatory wait times, you get a gun right away, no questions asked.

There seems some room for improvement imho.
 Quoting: Woot Woot


Among my friends, they have about 50% "papered" firearms and the other half were purchased at a gun show, privately.

I know of people who have gun collections but NEVER purchased from an FFL or filled out a yellow form - thanks to the brief comment in the original Red Dawn about the commies scooping up the ATF forms to see who had firearms.

What I'm trying to get at here is two fold: 1) The ATFE's gun database is marginal at best in describing who has what guns and 2) Purchase via private sale if that is legal in your state. Do some research. At a gunshow point-blank ask if the firearm seller is conducting a private sale. If not, move on. Many states allow private unpapered sales.
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Re: THOMAS SOWELL blows up the entire ANTI-GUN argument a few brief paragraphs...
- The rate of gun ownership is higher in rural areas than in urban areas, but the murder rate is higher in urban areas.

- The rate of gun ownership is higher among whites than among blacks, but the murder rate is higher among blacks.

- For the country as a whole, hand-gun ownership doubled in the late 20th century, while the murder rate went down.

- Britain has had a lower murder rate than the United States for more than two centuries and, for most of that time, the British had no more stringent gun-control laws than the United States.

- In the middle of the 20th century, you could buy a shotgun in London with no questions asked. New York, which at that time had had the stringent Sullivan Law restricting gun ownership since 1911, still had several times the gun-murder rate of London, as well as several times the London murder rate with other weapons.

- The crime rate, including the rate of crimes committed with guns, is far higher in Britain now than it was back in the days when there were few restrictions on Britons buying firearms.

- In 1954, there were only a dozen armed robberies in London but, by the 1990s after decades of ever tightening gun-ownership restrictions there were more than a hundred times as many armed robberies.

- Other countries with stronger gun-control laws than the United States, such as Russia, Brazil, and Mexico have higher murder rates than the United States.

- Gun ownership has been three times as high in Switzerland as in Germany, but the Swiss have had lower murder rates. Other countries with high rates of gun ownership and low murder rates include Israel, New Zealand, and Finland.

[link to www.nationalreview.com]
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Re: THOMAS SOWELL blows up the entire ANTI-GUN argument a few brief paragraphs...
- The rate of gun ownership is higher in rural areas than in urban areas, but the murder rate is higher in urban areas.

- The rate of gun ownership is higher among whites than among blacks, but the murder rate is higher among blacks.

- For the country as a whole, hand-gun ownership doubled in the late 20th century, while the murder rate went down.

- Britain has had a lower murder rate than the United States for more than two centuries and, for most of that time, the British had no more stringent gun-control laws than the United States.

- In the middle of the 20th century, you could buy a shotgun in London with no questions asked. New York, which at that time had had the stringent Sullivan Law restricting gun ownership since 1911, still had several times the gun-murder rate of London, as well as several times the London murder rate with other weapons.

- The crime rate, including the rate of crimes committed with guns, is far higher in Britain now than it was back in the days when there were few restrictions on Britons buying firearms.

- In 1954, there were only a dozen armed robberies in London but, by the 1990s after decades of ever tightening gun-ownership restrictions there were more than a hundred times as many armed robberies.

- Other countries with stronger gun-control laws than the United States, such as Russia, Brazil, and Mexico have higher murder rates than the United States.

- Gun ownership has been three times as high in Switzerland as in Germany, but the Swiss have had lower murder rates. Other countries with high rates of gun ownership and low murder rates include Israel, New Zealand, and Finland.

[link to www.nationalreview.com]
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in addition (not sure if this has been shared yet) - [link to ssristories.com]

an absurd correlation that.
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Re: THOMAS SOWELL blows up the entire ANTI-GUN argument a few brief paragraphs...
Americans it seems will use any excuse, especially false statistics, to carry on killing each other. Thankfully it's not my problem. Total gun armed robberies UK 2,965 [link to en.wikipedia.org] ... ed_Kingdom Total gun armed robberies USA 131,000 [link to www.census.gov] ... 2s0321.pdf "invincible ignorance" indeed
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Re: THOMAS SOWELL blows up the entire ANTI-GUN argument a few brief paragraphs...
Americans it seems will use any excuse, especially false statistics, to carry on killing each other. Thankfully it's not my problem. Total gun armed robberies UK 2,965 [link to en.wikipedia.org] ... ed_Kingdom Total gun armed robberies USA 131,000 [link to www.census.gov] ... 2s0321.pdf "invincible ignorance" indeed
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rofl

Reason is a lost cause for the committed hoplopbobe. Your masters are proud indeed.

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