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The Sun Was Supposed To Set At 4:41 Central Time In Missouri, 12/18 , Still Hasn't Set At 5:01

 
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At 530 it was "almost" dark on side of sky where sun had set there was still some light. So I personally feel there is something "not right"
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That's how it was here too. The sun should have set at 4:47 here but its still bright like its 10am and its 5pm.
"Only one candle left to burn now, before the darkness comes"

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"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of"
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People keep going on about clouds but the sunset was in fact late here and the twilight lasted longer than it should have and there was not a single effing cloud in site here. So that theory just doesn't stand in my opnion.
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Your method of measuring that "the twilight lasted longer than it should have" was what again?
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Normally I just read post here. I came across this thread yesterday and found it very interesting because I had noticed the same thing happening. At a time when the daylight should be less until the winter solstice, I noticed last week it seemed the daylight was getting longer, if only by a couple of minutes but it was. So I paid attention last night. The sun set about 15 minutes later than what it should have AND the civil twilight lasted until 6:15 pm. Here is when it should have ended.

U.S. Naval Observatory
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Sun and Moon Data for One Day

The following information is provided for Atlanta, Georgia (longitude W84.4, latitude N33.8):

Wednesday
19 December 2012 Eastern Standard Time

SUN
Begin civil twilight 7:10 a.m.
Sunrise 7:38 a.m.
Sun transit 12:35 p.m.
Sunset 5:32 p.m.
End civil twilight 6:00 p.m.

The last of the sun dropped below the horizon at approx 5:47 pm.
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"the civil twilight lasted until 6:15 pm." Sorry? You determined that, how?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


If you don't believe us don't you have anything better to do with your time? Not trying to be rude just seems kinda pointless.
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Kindly point out what was allegedly rude about my post. Do you think it rude to simply question the basis for a pronouncement of fact?
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Normally I just read post here. I came across this thread yesterday and found it very interesting because I had noticed the same thing happening. At a time when the daylight should be less until the winter solstice, I noticed last week it seemed the daylight was getting longer, if only by a couple of minutes but it was. So I paid attention last night. The sun set about 15 minutes later than what it should have AND the civil twilight lasted until 6:15 pm. Here is when it should have ended.

U.S. Naval Observatory
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Sun and Moon Data for One Day

The following information is provided for Atlanta, Georgia (longitude W84.4, latitude N33.8):

Wednesday
19 December 2012 Eastern Standard Time

SUN
Begin civil twilight 7:10 a.m.
Sunrise 7:38 a.m.
Sun transit 12:35 p.m.
Sunset 5:32 p.m.
End civil twilight 6:00 p.m.

The last of the sun dropped below the horizon at approx 5:47 pm.
 Quoting: WatcherJ


"the civil twilight lasted until 6:15 pm." Sorry? You determined that, how?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


If you don't believe us don't you have anything better to do with your time? Not trying to be rude just seems kinda pointless.
 Quoting: _Obsidian_


Kindly point out what was allegedly rude about my post. Do you think it rude to simply question the basis for a pronouncement of fact?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


My bad. I see that you didn't say I was rude.
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Walked out of work after 5 and it wasn't dark on east coast
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At 530 it was "almost" dark on side of sky where sun had set there was still some light. So I personally feel there is something "not right"
 Quoting: IwasKidding


That's how it was here too. The sun should have set at 4:47 here but its still bright like its 10am and its 5pm.
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ohyeah
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Yo obsidian, Is the sky a weird tone of red where you are right now?
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Normally I just read post here. I came across this thread yesterday and found it very interesting because I had noticed the same thing happening. At a time when the daylight should be less until the winter solstice, I noticed last week it seemed the daylight was getting longer, if only by a couple of minutes but it was. So I paid attention last night. The sun set about 15 minutes later than what it should have AND the civil twilight lasted until 6:15 pm. Here is when it should have ended.

U.S. Naval Observatory
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Sun and Moon Data for One Day

The following information is provided for Atlanta, Georgia (longitude W84.4, latitude N33.8):

Wednesday
19 December 2012 Eastern Standard Time

SUN
Begin civil twilight 7:10 a.m.
Sunrise 7:38 a.m.
Sun transit 12:35 p.m.
Sunset 5:32 p.m.
End civil twilight 6:00 p.m.

The last of the sun dropped below the horizon at approx 5:47 pm.
 Quoting: WatcherJ


"the civil twilight lasted until 6:15 pm." Sorry? You determined that, how?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


If you don't believe us don't you have anything better to do with your time? Not trying to be rude just seems kinda pointless.
 Quoting: _Obsidian_


Kindly point out what was allegedly rude about my post. Do you think it rude to simply question the basis for a pronouncement of fact?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


*face palm* I said that I'm not trying to be rude by saying that this is pointless and you must have something better to do with your time. Atleast i'd hope so anyways. It would suck if the shtf and you've spent all your time here arguing with us no?
"Only one candle left to burn now, before the darkness comes"

"Happiness consumes itself like a flame. It cannot burn for ever, it must go out, and the presentiment of its end destroys it at its very peak."

"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of"
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Twilight on Mars is longer than on Earth, lasting for up to two hours before sunrise or after sunset. Dust high in the atmosphere scatters light to the night side of the planet. Similar twilights are seen on Earth following major volcanic eruptions.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Yo obsidian, Is the sky a weird tone of red where you are right now?
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No it's a really bright blue the suns finally going down at 5:25. But shit im glad it's not red sounds freaky! It's not red where you are is it? O.o
"Only one candle left to burn now, before the darkness comes"

"Happiness consumes itself like a flame. It cannot burn for ever, it must go out, and the presentiment of its end destroys it at its very peak."

"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of"
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People keep going on about clouds but the sunset was in fact late here and the twilight lasted longer than it should have and there was not a single effing cloud in site here. So that theory just doesn't stand in my opnion.
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Your method of measuring that "the twilight lasted longer than it should have" was what again?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


You know im not a scientist but us average folks are doing the best we can to collect info and data because when and if somethings going down do you think they are going to warn us??? No. Most certainly not. Not till it's too late. And I'll be damned if I stop trying just because someones not happy with my methods or results.
"Only one candle left to burn now, before the darkness comes"

"Happiness consumes itself like a flame. It cannot burn for ever, it must go out, and the presentiment of its end destroys it at its very peak."

"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of"
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Yo obsidian, Is the sky a weird tone of red where you are right now?
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No it's a really bright blue the suns finally going down at 5:25. But shit im glad it's not red sounds freaky! It's not red where you are is it? O.o
 Quoting: _Obsidian_


Its the typical darkening sky but just a reddish hue where its already dark. Not like really strong just weird.
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Yo obsidian, Is the sky a weird tone of red where you are right now?
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No it's a really bright blue the suns finally going down at 5:25. But shit im glad it's not red sounds freaky! It's not red where you are is it? O.o
 Quoting: _Obsidian_


Its the typical darkening sky but just a reddish hue where its already dark. Not like really strong just weird.
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Its a bright blue and yellow twilight on one side and on the other side its so stinking dark I can't seel didly squat other than this star that disappears and reappears and nas done for for the past month lol
"Only one candle left to burn now, before the darkness comes"

"Happiness consumes itself like a flame. It cannot burn for ever, it must go out, and the presentiment of its end destroys it at its very peak."

"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of"
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Not this shite again. The sun is setting at the normal time for this time of year, on the east coast at least. Maybe Missouri has shifted!@!!!!
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Yo obsidian, Is the sky a weird tone of red where you are right now?
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No it's a really bright blue the suns finally going down at 5:25. But shit im glad it's not red sounds freaky! It's not red where you are is it? O.o
 Quoting: _Obsidian_


Its the typical darkening sky but just a reddish hue where its already dark. Not like really strong just weird.
 Quoting: Da fuq


Its a bright blue and yellow twilight on one side and on the other side its so stinking dark I can't seel didly squat other than this star that disappears and reappears and nas done for for the past month lol
 Quoting: _Obsidian_


wow sorry for the horrible typing im on my phone haha
"Only one candle left to burn now, before the darkness comes"

"Happiness consumes itself like a flame. It cannot burn for ever, it must go out, and the presentiment of its end destroys it at its very peak."

"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of"
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Not this shite again. The sun is setting at the normal time for this time of year, on the east coast at least. Maybe Missouri has shifted!@!!!!
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If you have time read through the old posts we've got some theories on why it may not appear off everywhere.
"Only one candle left to burn now, before the darkness comes"

"Happiness consumes itself like a flame. It cannot burn for ever, it must go out, and the presentiment of its end destroys it at its very peak."

"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of"
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hah someone put quit trolling in my karma. I'll quit "trolling" when you quit being an ass, deal? In other words I ain't stopping :-)
"Only one candle left to burn now, before the darkness comes"

"Happiness consumes itself like a flame. It cannot burn for ever, it must go out, and the presentiment of its end destroys it at its very peak."

"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of"
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Remember, it's Dec. 21 down here in Australia in just a few hours.

DOOM on! hiding
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Re: The Sun Was Supposed To Set At 4:41 Central Time In Missouri, 12/18 , Still Hasn't Set At 5:01
Ok here is what I have personally observed the past several days after recognizing the recent posts about this. I am located in southeastern Michigan. Every night I get out of work at 5:30 EST. A co-worker drops me off at home 3-4 nights a week. I arrive promply at 5:45 in my driveway, every time she drops me off. About 3-4 weeks ago she made a comment, "Wow, your house is so dark." I told her I know, I usually turn my porch lights on as soon as I get home because it is very dark here. When she made that comment I recalled vividly that is was DARK DARK out and clear out. Just 2 weeks ago I commented to her this time "man my house really is dark without the lights on huh?". There was no twilight left at all, and with my porch lights off it made my home outline and yard very dark, and difficult to see. Now, today rolls around and the same routine... pulled in at 5:45. Immediately as I was getting ready to exit the car I said wow thats weird. It was definitely still twilight out... not much though. But noticeably lighter, enough to where I could see the outline of my house against the sky very easily, and I noticed that finding my keyhole was much easier than weeks prior. Usually I fumble with getting the key to fit, my porch overhang really gets dark underneath. So, YES the evening sky has began to lighten up already. Very strange seeing how it should be continuing to darken at least until tomorrow. And I have already ruled out overcast/clear skys for a possible reasoning for the early lightening, it was always crystal clear and cold out the nights it was dark when I arrived home. I might have noticed this earlier this week, however the skys HAVE been overcast all week, the skies finally cleared up this afternoon allowing me to notice I think. This might be something to really pay attention to here.
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It is so nice to see the trolls get their asses handed to them.
They have managed to make people doubt their
own observations, in the past.

This group is a little different..

:thinker:
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I just want to continue to encourage people to ignore them. Eventually they will just slither away.
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The sky is still very light.....Sunset was at 15.41 hours, it is also very cloudy and raining.....I remember when it used to be overcast and raining it got dark quite quickly.....not so now, the sky is still very light for the conditions. It's quite weird looking....wish I could post a pic.....it's now 15.55 the sky is still light. WTH!!!hiding
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Yup. It's crazy, huh!
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People KNOW when the sun sets earlier and later than it should. I for one, don't need irrefutable proof. If people are saying they notice it happening, it's probably happening.

The inuit have been noticing this for years.

Even in Greenland, the sun came up two DAYS earlier than usual a couple years ago, and know what the debunkers said? They said "Oh, a glacier just melted, thus allowing people to see the sun 2 days earlier."

NOT!

I grew up in Nebraska, where it got dark in the winter before 5pm. So, I too, like the OP, would notice if it was getting dark at the wrong time. Obviously, something is up.

I'm now in Arizona and I have only lived here 10 years, not long enough to really feel like a local yet, and because I'm further south and west, the sun sets at different times than where I grew up... but a couple weeks ago, I was having lunch outside with a friend and felt that that light at 1:30 pm, felt more like the winter light at 4pm.

I didn't say anything to my friend, but I felt it wasn't natural.
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"the civil twilight lasted until 6:15 pm." Sorry? You determined that, how?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


If you don't believe us don't you have anything better to do with your time? Not trying to be rude just seems kinda pointless.
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Kindly point out what was allegedly rude about my post. Do you think it rude to simply question the basis for a pronouncement of fact?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


*face palm* I said that I'm not trying to be rude by saying that this is pointless and you must have something better to do with your time. Atleast i'd hope so anyways. It would suck if the shtf and you've spent all your time here arguing with us no?
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I already posted that I had misread your post.

Pointless? How pointless would it be for people to waste years fear-mongering on the internet by falsely proclaiming that things are "wrong" in the sky and sucking others into the hoax?
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Also, for all the "debunkers" who are on here demanding irrefutable proof in the name of science, well, I AM a scientist (I have a BS and an advanced degree) and the first thing you learn as a scientist is that all science is based first upon observation.

Without observations first being made, there can be no hypotheses, experiments, or theories.

I hate it when closed-minded jerks get on forums and start talking about observation isn't real science. YES it is.

Also, one more thing, a REAL scientist ALWAYS keeps an open mind, and if evidence comes forth that might suggest what he has always believed to be untrue, a real scientist doesn't sweep the observation under the rug. Only cowards who are afraid of the status quo being upset, or people who are at risk of losing something if the status quo is upset, bury evidence.

REAL scientists alway keep an open mind. ALWAYS. Even if it means their world may be turned upside down.
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People keep going on about clouds but the sunset was in fact late here and the twilight lasted longer than it should have and there was not a single effing cloud in site here. So that theory just doesn't stand in my opnion.
 Quoting: _Obsidian_


Your method of measuring that "the twilight lasted longer than it should have" was what again?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


You know im not a scientist but us average folks are doing the best we can to collect info and data because when and if somethings going down do you think they are going to warn us??? No. Most certainly not. Not till it's too late. And I'll be damned if I stop trying just because someones not happy with my methods or results.
 Quoting: _Obsidian_


I'll have to take that as a "nothing, really". You might want to think about the meaning of the word "data" and how you might apply some semblance of precision to this issue if it really is as important as you seem to think it is.
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Yo obsidian, Is the sky a weird tone of red where you are right now?
 Quoting: Da fuq


No it's a really bright blue the suns finally going down at 5:25. But shit im glad it's not red sounds freaky! It's not red where you are is it? O.o
 Quoting: _Obsidian_


Its the typical darkening sky but just a reddish hue where its already dark. Not like really strong just weird.
 Quoting: Da fuq


Its a bright blue and yellow twilight on one side and on the other side its so stinking dark I can't seel didly squat other than this star that disappears and reappears and nas done for for the past month lol
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Do you not understand that what y'all are posting here sounds like the bored ramblings of 7th-grade girls?
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hah someone put quit trolling in my karma. I'll quit "trolling" when you quit being an ass, deal? In other words I ain't stopping :-)
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Also, for all the "debunkers" who are on here demanding irrefutable proof in the name of science, well, I AM a scientist (I have a BS and an advanced degree) and the first thing you learn as a scientist is that all science is based first upon observation.

Without observations first being made, there can be no hypotheses, experiments, or theories.

I hate it when closed-minded jerks get on forums and start talking about observation isn't real science. YES it is.

Also, one more thing, a REAL scientist ALWAYS keeps an open mind, and if evidence comes forth that might suggest what he has always believed to be untrue, a real scientist doesn't sweep the observation under the rug. Only cowards who are afraid of the status quo being upset, or people who are at risk of losing something if the status quo is upset, bury evidence.

REAL scientists alway keep an open mind. ALWAYS. Even if it means their world may be turned upside down.
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hf
"Only one candle left to burn now, before the darkness comes"

"Happiness consumes itself like a flame. It cannot burn for ever, it must go out, and the presentiment of its end destroys it at its very peak."

"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of"
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People KNOW when the sun sets earlier and later than it should. I for one, don't need irrefutable proof. If people are saying they notice it happening, it's probably happening.

The inuit have been noticing this for years.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18771844


And this is why some of us try to intervene in this nonsense. It's because someone posts something stupidly false on the internet, maybe just guessing, and then others begin repeating it as if it was known fact, like the above. "The Inuit" have done no such thing.

Even in Greenland, the sun came up two DAYS earlier than usual a couple years ago, and know what the debunkers said? They said "Oh, a glacier just melted, thus allowing people to see the sun 2 days earlier."
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Wrong. That is not the reason for that phenomenon, and again you are repeating something which is false. It is caused by what is known as the Novaya Zemlya effect which was noted to have made the sun SEEM to rise as much as 2 WEEKS early some centuries ago.

NOT!

I grew up in Nebraska, where it got dark in the winter before 5pm. So, I too, like the OP, would notice if it was getting dark at the wrong time. Obviously, something is up.

I'm now in Arizona and I have only lived here 10 years, not long enough to really feel like a local yet, and because I'm further south and west, the sun sets at different times than where I grew up... but a couple weeks ago, I was having lunch outside with a friend and felt that that light at 1:30 pm, felt more like the winter light at 4pm.

I didn't say anything to my friend, but I felt it wasn't natural.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18771844


Why don't you park your feelings and take some real measurements of this alleged phenomenon? You'll be famous for documenting it!

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