The Sun Was Supposed To Set At 4:41 Central Time In Missouri, 12/18 , Still Hasn't Set At 5:01 | |
| _Obsidian_ User ID: 24925493 12/20/2012 09:27 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also, for all the "debunkers" who are on here demanding irrefutable proof in the name of science, well, I AM a scientist (I have a BS and an advanced degree) and the first thing you learn as a scientist is that all science is based first upon observation. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18771844 Without observations first being made, there can be no hypotheses, experiments, or theories. I hate it when closed-minded jerks get on forums and start talking about observation isn't real science. YES it is. Also, one more thing, a REAL scientist ALWAYS keeps an open mind, and if evidence comes forth that might suggest what he has always believed to be untrue, a real scientist doesn't sweep the observation under the rug. Only cowards who are afraid of the status quo being upset, or people who are at risk of losing something if the status quo is upset, bury evidence. REAL scientists alway keep an open mind. ALWAYS. Even if it means their world may be turned upside down. "Only one candle left to burn now, before the darkness comes" "Happiness consumes itself like a flame. It cannot burn for ever, it must go out, and the presentiment of its end destroys it at its very peak." "But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of" |
| Menow User ID: 18943200 12/20/2012 09:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People KNOW when the sun sets earlier and later than it should. I for one, don't need irrefutable proof. If people are saying they notice it happening, it's probably happening. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18771844 The inuit have been noticing this for years. And this is why some of us try to intervene in this nonsense. It's because someone posts something stupidly false on the internet, maybe just guessing, and then others begin repeating it as if it was known fact, like the above. "The Inuit" have done no such thing. Even in Greenland, the sun came up two DAYS earlier than usual a couple years ago, and know what the debunkers said? They said "Oh, a glacier just melted, thus allowing people to see the sun 2 days earlier." Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18771844 Wrong. That is not the reason for that phenomenon, and again you are repeating something which is false. It is caused by what is known as the Novaya Zemlya effect which was noted to have made the sun SEEM to rise as much as 2 WEEKS early some centuries ago. NOT! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18771844 I grew up in Nebraska, where it got dark in the winter before 5pm. So, I too, like the OP, would notice if it was getting dark at the wrong time. Obviously, something is up. I'm now in Arizona and I have only lived here 10 years, not long enough to really feel like a local yet, and because I'm further south and west, the sun sets at different times than where I grew up... but a couple weeks ago, I was having lunch outside with a friend and felt that that light at 1:30 pm, felt more like the winter light at 4pm. I didn't say anything to my friend, but I felt it wasn't natural. Why don't you park your feelings and take some real measurements of this alleged phenomenon? You'll be famous for documenting it! |
| _Obsidian_ User ID: 24925493 12/20/2012 09:29 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | hah someone put quit trolling in my karma. I'll quit "trolling" when you quit being an ass, deal? In other words I ain't stopping :-) Quoting: _Obsidian_ I really like you... a lot. ![]() "Only one candle left to burn now, before the darkness comes" "Happiness consumes itself like a flame. It cannot burn for ever, it must go out, and the presentiment of its end destroys it at its very peak." "But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of" |
| Menow User ID: 18943200 12/20/2012 09:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also, for all the "debunkers" who are on here demanding irrefutable proof in the name of science, well, I AM a scientist (I have a BS and an advanced degree) and the first thing you learn as a scientist is that all science is based first upon observation. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18771844 Without observations first being made, there can be no hypotheses, experiments, or theories. I hate it when closed-minded jerks get on forums and start talking about observation isn't real science. YES it is. No one has said anything about observation not being real science. Also, one more thing, a REAL scientist ALWAYS keeps an open mind, and if evidence comes forth that might suggest what he has always believed to be untrue, a real scientist doesn't sweep the observation under the rug. Only cowards who are afraid of the status quo being upset, or people who are at risk of losing something if the status quo is upset, bury evidence. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18771844 REAL scientists alway keep an open mind. ALWAYS. Even if it means their world may be turned upside down. No, they ask for DOCUMENTATION and REPEATABLE EXPERIMENTATION! Have any? Didn't think so. |
| Da fuq User ID: 16258666 12/20/2012 09:35 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also, for all the "debunkers" who are on here demanding irrefutable proof in the name of science, well, I AM a scientist (I have a BS and an advanced degree) and the first thing you learn as a scientist is that all science is based first upon observation. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18771844 Without observations first being made, there can be no hypotheses, experiments, or theories. I hate it when closed-minded jerks get on forums and start talking about observation isn't real science. YES it is. Also, one more thing, a REAL scientist ALWAYS keeps an open mind, and if evidence comes forth that might suggest what he has always believed to be untrue, a real scientist doesn't sweep the observation under the rug. Only cowards who are afraid of the status quo being upset, or people who are at risk of losing something if the status quo is upset, bury evidence. REAL scientists alway keep an open mind. ALWAYS. Even if it means their world may be turned upside down. ![]() |
| _Obsidian_ User ID: 24925493 12/20/2012 09:39 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also, for all the "debunkers" who are on here demanding irrefutable proof in the name of science, well, I AM a scientist (I have a BS and an advanced degree) and the first thing you learn as a scientist is that all science is based first upon observation. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18771844 Without observations first being made, there can be no hypotheses, experiments, or theories. I hate it when closed-minded jerks get on forums and start talking about observation isn't real science. YES it is. No one has said anything about observation not being real science. Also, one more thing, a REAL scientist ALWAYS keeps an open mind, and if evidence comes forth that might suggest what he has always believed to be untrue, a real scientist doesn't sweep the observation under the rug. Only cowards who are afraid of the status quo being upset, or people who are at risk of losing something if the status quo is upset, bury evidence. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18771844 REAL scientists alway keep an open mind. ALWAYS. Even if it means their world may be turned upside down. No, they ask for DOCUMENTATION and REPEATABLE EXPERIMENTATION! Have any? Didn't think so. Funny, I knew right when you signed on again today I felt an overwhelmingly evil shift in the force. lol "Only one candle left to burn now, before the darkness comes" "Happiness consumes itself like a flame. It cannot burn for ever, it must go out, and the presentiment of its end destroys it at its very peak." "But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of" |
| _Obsidian_ User ID: 24925493 12/20/2012 09:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think in all honesty its our atmosphere, the sun or both that have gone weird. Mega quakes, volcanoes waking up, mass animal deaths ( sea stars, octopus, birds etc etc) you name it. The sun rose 2 days early in greenland. The Norway Spiral. They discovered a magnetic highway at the end of the universe. Chemtrails. etc My point is we know without a doubt some shits going down you can't debunk that we are just trying to figure out why and how and if its all connected. The people on here trying to debunk so hardcore must be bored lawyers, call reps and bill collectors I can't imagine them being that annoying and not having one of those jobs to really form their unpleasant disposition haha "Only one candle left to burn now, before the darkness comes" "Happiness consumes itself like a flame. It cannot burn for ever, it must go out, and the presentiment of its end destroys it at its very peak." "But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of" |
| Menow User ID: 18943200 12/20/2012 09:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think in all honesty its our atmosphere, the sun or both that have gone weird. Mega quakes, volcanoes waking up, mass animal deaths ( sea stars, octopus, birds etc etc) you name it. The sun rose 2 days early in greenland. The Norway Spiral. They discovered a magnetic highway at the end of the universe. Chemtrails. etc My point is we know without a doubt some shits going down you can't debunk that we are just trying to figure out why and how and if its all connected. The people on here trying to debunk so hardcore must be bored lawyers, call reps and bill collectors I can't imagine them being that annoying and not having one of those jobs to really form their unpleasant disposition haha Quoting: _Obsidian_ "The sun rose 2 days early in greenland." Repetition will not make that become true. It will, however, make gullible people THINK it is true. |
| _Obsidian_ User ID: 24925493 12/20/2012 09:53 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think in all honesty its our atmosphere, the sun or both that have gone weird. Mega quakes, volcanoes waking up, mass animal deaths ( sea stars, octopus, birds etc etc) you name it. The sun rose 2 days early in greenland. The Norway Spiral. They discovered a magnetic highway at the end of the universe. Chemtrails. etc My point is we know without a doubt some shits going down you can't debunk that we are just trying to figure out why and how and if its all connected. The people on here trying to debunk so hardcore must be bored lawyers, call reps and bill collectors I can't imagine them being that annoying and not having one of those jobs to really form their unpleasant disposition haha Quoting: _Obsidian_ "The sun rose 2 days early in greenland." Repetition will not make that become true. It will, however, make gullible people THINK it is true. I hope your power goes out for 3 reasons. One: so you wonder if tshtf Two: so you stop posting and Three: because there has to be some justice in this cruel world :-) "Only one candle left to burn now, before the darkness comes" "Happiness consumes itself like a flame. It cannot burn for ever, it must go out, and the presentiment of its end destroys it at its very peak." "But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of" |
| Menow User ID: 18943200 12/20/2012 10:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I think in all honesty its our atmosphere, the sun or both that have gone weird. Mega quakes, volcanoes waking up, mass animal deaths ( sea stars, octopus, birds etc etc) you name it. The sun rose 2 days early in greenland. The Norway Spiral. They discovered a magnetic highway at the end of the universe. Chemtrails. etc My point is we know without a doubt some shits going down you can't debunk that we are just trying to figure out why and how and if its all connected. The people on here trying to debunk so hardcore must be bored lawyers, call reps and bill collectors I can't imagine them being that annoying and not having one of those jobs to really form their unpleasant disposition haha Quoting: _Obsidian_ "The sun rose 2 days early in greenland." Repetition will not make that become true. It will, however, make gullible people THINK it is true. I hope your power goes out for 3 reasons. One: so you wonder if tshtf Two: so you stop posting and Three: because there has to be some justice in this cruel world :-) It's amazing how none of you wish to address facts, while you continue to imply that all your anecdotal reports and regurgitated rumors amount to such. |
| _Obsidian_ User ID: 24925493 12/20/2012 10:33 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Da Fuq check this out.... Thread: Eerie Red Sky in GA! "Only one candle left to burn now, before the darkness comes" "Happiness consumes itself like a flame. It cannot burn for ever, it must go out, and the presentiment of its end destroys it at its very peak." "But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of" |
| Dr. Astro Not to be confused with Phil Plait User ID: 27749847 12/21/2012 02:01 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Why are you so afraid of having your ideas challenged? To accurately establish the local time of sunset you need an unobstructed view of the horizon from ground level and a good timepiece. The brightness of the sky is irrelevant, that depends on local atmospheric conditions. What does not cut it is casual observation. ^This. I collected precise astrometric data of the sun's position offline the other day before I started my banned broadcast. I'll analyze it later today, but it'll be interesting to see how many posters here ignore the results. Alright, here's the results! On the 19th I recorded the sun shortly before sunset. At 4:27:00pm eastern time (21:27:00 UT), I disengaged the telescope's tracking system and allowed the earth's rotation to take over. Here's the image of the sun at the moment I disengaged the tracking: [link to i319.photobucket.com] 1 hr 47 min 35 sec later (at 6:14:35pm eastern time, 23:14:35 UT) these stars passed through the field of view: [link to i319.photobucket.com] Overlaying these two images allowed me to compare the sun's detected position to its predicted position with Cartes du Ciel and indeed the sun is right where it should be: [link to i319.photobucket.com] ![]() |
| Dr. Astro Not to be confused with Phil Plait User ID: 27749847 12/21/2012 02:17 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous OP 30218778 I'm just scrolling past Menow and Hydra's posts. I don't see them. Why are you so afraid of having your ideas challenged? To accurately establish the local time of sunset you need an unobstructed view of the horizon from ground level and a good timepiece. The brightness of the sky is irrelevant, that depends on local atmospheric conditions. What does not cut it is casual observation. ^This. I collected precise astrometric data of the sun's position offline the other day before I started my banned broadcast. I'll analyze it later today, but it'll be interesting to see how many posters here ignore the results. Alright, here's the results! On the 19th I recorded the sun shortly before sunset. At 4:27:00pm eastern time (21:27:00 UT), I disengaged the telescope's tracking system and allowed the earth's rotation to take over. Here's the image of the sun at the moment I disengaged the tracking: [link to i319.photobucket.com] 1 hr 47 min 35 sec later (at 6:14:35pm eastern time, 23:14:35 UT) these stars passed through the field of view: [link to i319.photobucket.com] Overlaying these two images allowed me to compare the sun's detected position to its predicted position with Cartes du Ciel and indeed the sun is right where it should be: [link to i319.photobucket.com] ![]() |
| Dr. Astro Not to be confused with Phil Plait User ID: 27749847 12/21/2012 03:46 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Halcyon Dayz, FCD Why are you so afraid of having your ideas challenged? To accurately establish the local time of sunset you need an unobstructed view of the horizon from ground level and a good timepiece. The brightness of the sky is irrelevant, that depends on local atmospheric conditions. What does not cut it is casual observation. ^This. I collected precise astrometric data of the sun's position offline the other day before I started my banned broadcast. I'll analyze it later today, but it'll be interesting to see how many posters here ignore the results. Alright, here's the results! On the 19th I recorded the sun shortly before sunset. At 4:27:00pm eastern time (21:27:00 UT), I disengaged the telescope's tracking system and allowed the earth's rotation to take over. Here's the image of the sun at the moment I disengaged the tracking: [link to i319.photobucket.com] 1 hr 47 min 35 sec later (at 6:14:35pm eastern time, 23:14:35 UT) these stars passed through the field of view: [link to i319.photobucket.com] Overlaying these two images allowed me to compare the sun's detected position to its predicted position with Cartes du Ciel and indeed the sun is right where it should be: [link to i319.photobucket.com] Here's the raw video: Last Edited by Dr. Astro on 12/21/2012 03:47 AM ![]() |
| DUCM900 User ID: 30524757 12/21/2012 05:01 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Surely, very bright and you can feel it pretty much even if its winter time. However since almost 2 years I've noticed that the Sun is running out of the max extension in degrees relative to the horizon on the 21 june (west to north @ sunset) and the 21 dec (east to south @ sunrise) almost in about of 15 degrees. SO normally in each of these seasonal time of the year (Summer and Winter), the Sun "goes out" (from east or west) in about 15 degrees, but actually, its 30 degrees in total on each starting season (so twice the normal). Check out yourself now, the Sun is rising pretty South from East more than normally does in winter time. This video below is just an example of a witness - Last Edited by DVCMCM on 12/21/2012 08:03 AM Just Sayin... look @ this: Thread: Upside down moon is really a alien mothership. Thread: ~ MOON TILT 90 DEGREES IN 8 HOURS-? ~ Thread: ???? Anyone notice the UPSIDE DOWN MOON last night ????? Thread: With which foot did N. Armstrong first step onto the moon his right or his left? Thread: Crepuscular Light Duration Has Changed Thread: Venus and Jupiter Conjuntion Rates Disinfo |
| DUCM900 User ID: 30524757 12/21/2012 07:33 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Heres the World Sunlight Map --->> [link to static.die.net] - Just Sayin... look @ this: Thread: Upside down moon is really a alien mothership. Thread: ~ MOON TILT 90 DEGREES IN 8 HOURS-? ~ Thread: ???? Anyone notice the UPSIDE DOWN MOON last night ????? Thread: With which foot did N. Armstrong first step onto the moon his right or his left? Thread: Crepuscular Light Duration Has Changed Thread: Venus and Jupiter Conjuntion Rates Disinfo |
| IwasKidding User ID: 27554728 12/21/2012 09:01 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: Sun Did NOT Rise On TIME This AM I am Utterly Convinced by my OWN observation there is a difference. aka urkidding & NobodysFriend |
| Dr. Astro Not to be confused with Phil Plait User ID: 27749847 12/21/2012 09:01 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Dr. Astro ^This. I collected precise astrometric data of the sun's position offline the other day before I started my banned broadcast. I'll analyze it later today, but it'll be interesting to see how many posters here ignore the results. Alright, here's the results! On the 19th I recorded the sun shortly before sunset. At 4:27:00pm eastern time (21:27:00 UT), I disengaged the telescope's tracking system and allowed the earth's rotation to take over. Here's the image of the sun at the moment I disengaged the tracking: [link to i319.photobucket.com] 1 hr 47 min 35 sec later (at 6:14:35pm eastern time, 23:14:35 UT) these stars passed through the field of view: [link to i319.photobucket.com] Overlaying these two images allowed me to compare the sun's detected position to its predicted position with Cartes du Ciel and indeed the sun is right where it should be: [link to i319.photobucket.com] Here's the raw video: No response. Noted. ![]() |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 30218778 12/21/2012 10:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Surely, very bright and you can feel it pretty much even if its winter time. However since almost 2 years I've noticed that the Sun is running out of the max extension in degrees relative to the horizon on the 21 june (west to north @ sunset) and the 21 dec (east to south @ sunrise) almost in about of 15 degrees. SO normally in each of these seasonal time of the year (Summer and Winter), the Sun "goes out" (from east or west) in about 15 degrees, but actually, its 30 degrees in total on each starting season (so twice the normal). Check out yourself now, the Sun is rising pretty South from East more than normally does in winter time. This video below is just an example of a witness - A lot of us have been noticing that the sun isn't setting or rising in the right places. The shills have overcome those threads in swarms, but I'll try to find a link to them. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 30218778 12/21/2012 10:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also, for all the "debunkers" who are on here demanding irrefutable proof in the name of science, well, I AM a scientist (I have a BS and an advanced degree) and the first thing you learn as a scientist is that all science is based first upon observation. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18771844 Without observations first being made, there can be no hypotheses, experiments, or theories. I hate it when closed-minded jerks get on forums and start talking about observation isn't real science. YES it is. No one has said anything about observation not being real science. Also, one more thing, a REAL scientist ALWAYS keeps an open mind, and if evidence comes forth that might suggest what he has always believed to be untrue, a real scientist doesn't sweep the observation under the rug. Only cowards who are afraid of the status quo being upset, or people who are at risk of losing something if the status quo is upset, bury evidence. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18771844 REAL scientists alway keep an open mind. ALWAYS. Even if it means their world may be turned upside down. No, they ask for DOCUMENTATION and REPEATABLE EXPERIMENTATION! Have any? Didn't think so. Funny, I knew right when you signed on again today I felt an overwhelmingly evil shift in the force. lol Obsidian, why do you engage with Menow? You already know what he's about. |
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| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30490018 12/21/2012 11:01 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Same again here in the uk tonight....Still light even though it's overcast. The sky has a sort of a luminous look to it....It should be quite dark now with the cloud cover.....but it's still light,i can see outdoors really well. Strange. Also i have been feeling dizzy at times, they was a thread on here yesterday about people also experiencing the same sort of dizziness. |
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