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The Sun Was Supposed To Set At 4:41 Central Time In Missouri, 12/18 , Still Hasn't Set At 5:01

 
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SO normally in each of these seasonal time of the year (Summer and Winter), the Sun "goes out" (from east or west) in about 15 degrees,

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Simply false. It depends on your latitude.
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These are not 'ideas' to be debunked. These are very simple, straightforward observations. There is not debate about observing when the sun sets or rises and comparing the 'official' times listed. Our local shills want to argue bc they get paid to do so, to obfuscate, frustrate, run-down posters, deflect attention, ridicule, etc. etc.

Again, I urge you to ignore them, not only for yourselves but for the others who visit this thread, so visitors don't get frustrated and leave. Let them argue amongst themselves.
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Sun seemed late here today too. By atleast a half hour or more.
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Heres the World Sunlight Map --->> [link to static.die.net]



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What is that supposed to show? Here is where you can set the date and location and see where the sun is supposed to rise and set. It most certainly can be way more than + or - 15 degrees from east/west.

[link to suncalc.net]
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I noticed that when I was encouraging engagement with the shills that there were a lot more contributions, but I left this thread alone for a while and folks started arguing again.

Just scroll past them. They are working together these days and have been at this a long time. In fact, I'd say that the better quality shills are on GLP these days. I can tell one has higher mathematics training by his arguments and jargon. Just let them go mumbling amongst themselves.
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I noticed that when I was encouraging engagement with the shills that there were a lot more contributions, but I left this thread alone for a while and folks started arguing again.

Just scroll past them. They are working together these days and have been at this a long time. In fact, I'd say that the better quality shills are on GLP these days. I can tell one has higher mathematics training by his arguments and jargon. Just let them go mumbling amongst themselves.
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'encouraging engagement'

should be 'discouraging engagement
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Of course Menow is a huge shill. Just ignore him. He is pretty needy but if he is ignored, he'll slither away.
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Of course Menow is a huge shill. Just ignore him. He is pretty needy but if he is ignored, he'll slither away.
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Yeah this works quite well.^
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Sun seemed late here today too. By atleast a half hour or more.
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The rising time can vary from being on-time, to too late, to too early. It's pretty fascinating.
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SO normally in each of these seasonal time of the year (Summer and Winter), the Sun "goes out" (from east or west) in about 15 degrees,

 Quoting: DUCM900


Simply false. It depends on your latitude.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


False what? Obviously I did not mean on the equator regions where there are not such as things, I live in the middle Europe latitude as you live in the USA as well with pretty similar stuff and I'm just reporting what I am seeing.

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Good song, What do you think of new pic?
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Surely, very bright and you can feel it pretty much even if its winter time.

However since almost 2 years I've noticed that the Sun is running out of the max extension in degrees relative to the horizon on the 21 june (west to north @ sunset) and the 21 dec (east to south @ sunrise) almost in about of 15 degrees.

SO normally in each of these seasonal time of the year (Summer and Winter), the Sun "goes out" (from east or west) in about 15 degrees, but actually, its 30 degrees in total on each starting season (so twice the normal).

Check out yourself now, the Sun is rising pretty South from East more than normally does in winter time.


This video below is just an example of a witness



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 Quoting: DUCM900


That vid maker has no idea what he is talking about. He rambles on, making it clear that he is just guessing. In one comment he says the sun appears to be out of place by ONE DEGREE! Heh...
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Good song, What do you think of new pic?
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Surely, very bright and you can feel it pretty much even if its winter time.

However since almost 2 years I've noticed that the Sun is running out of the max extension in degrees relative to the horizon on the 21 june (west to north @ sunset) and the 21 dec (east to south @ sunrise) almost in about of 15 degrees.

SO normally in each of these seasonal time of the year (Summer and Winter), the Sun "goes out" (from east or west) in about 15 degrees, but actually, its 30 degrees in total on each starting season (so twice the normal).

Check out yourself now, the Sun is rising pretty South from East more than normally does in winter time.


This video below is just an example of a witness



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 Quoting: DUCM900


Crazy and consistent with what others are noticing.
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Thread: Sun Did NOT Rise On TIME This AM I am Utterly Convinced by my OWN observation there is a difference.
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Then you should publish your findings and the science you used to arrive at them. You'll be world-famous!
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Thread: Sun Did NOT Rise On TIME This AM I am Utterly Convinced by my OWN observation there is a difference.
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Thanks for your contribution.
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Thread: Sun Did NOT Rise On TIME This AM I am Utterly Convinced by my OWN observation there is a difference.
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Thanks for your contribution.
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We are ignoring shills like Menow on this thread.
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These are not 'ideas' to be debunked. These are very simple, straightforward observations. There is not debate about observing when the sun sets or rises and comparing the 'official' times listed. Our local shills want to argue bc they get paid to do so, to obfuscate, frustrate, run-down posters, deflect attention, ridicule, etc. etc.

Again, I urge you to ignore them, not only for yourselves but for the others who visit this thread, so visitors don't get frustrated and leave. Let them argue amongst themselves.
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SO normally in each of these seasonal time of the year (Summer and Winter), the Sun "goes out" (from east or west) in about 15 degrees,

 Quoting: DUCM900


Simply false. It depends on your latitude.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Obviously I did not mean on the equator regions, I live in the middle Europe latitude as you live in the USA as well with pretty similar stuff and I'm just reporting what I am seeing.

putin


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That's all we're trying to get here, observations. Menow is a non-entity.
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Also, for all the "debunkers" who are on here demanding irrefutable proof in the name of science, well, I AM a scientist (I have a BS and an advanced degree) and the first thing you learn as a scientist is that all science is based first upon observation.

Without observations first being made, there can be no hypotheses, experiments, or theories.

I hate it when closed-minded jerks get on forums and start talking about observation isn't real science. YES it is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18771844


No one has said anything about observation not being real science.

Also, one more thing, a REAL scientist ALWAYS keeps an open mind, and if evidence comes forth that might suggest what he has always believed to be untrue, a real scientist doesn't sweep the observation under the rug. Only cowards who are afraid of the status quo being upset, or people who are at risk of losing something if the status quo is upset, bury evidence.

REAL scientists alway keep an open mind. ALWAYS. Even if it means their world may be turned upside down.
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No, they ask for DOCUMENTATION and REPEATABLE EXPERIMENTATION! Have any? Didn't think so.
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Funny, I knew right when you signed on again today I felt an overwhelmingly evil shift in the force. lol
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Obsidian, why do you engage with Menow? You already know what he's about.
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Yes... you should never respond to people who question your claims or show where you are wrong. It's in the "Woo" code-of-conduct book!
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Also, for all the "debunkers" who are on here demanding irrefutable proof in the name of science, well, I AM a scientist (I have a BS and an advanced degree) and the first thing you learn as a scientist is that all science is based first upon observation.

Without observations first being made, there can be no hypotheses, experiments, or theories.

I hate it when closed-minded jerks get on forums and start talking about observation isn't real science. YES it is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18771844


No one has said anything about observation not being real science.

Also, one more thing, a REAL scientist ALWAYS keeps an open mind, and if evidence comes forth that might suggest what he has always believed to be untrue, a real scientist doesn't sweep the observation under the rug. Only cowards who are afraid of the status quo being upset, or people who are at risk of losing something if the status quo is upset, bury evidence.

REAL scientists alway keep an open mind. ALWAYS. Even if it means their world may be turned upside down.
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No, they ask for DOCUMENTATION and REPEATABLE EXPERIMENTATION! Have any? Didn't think so.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Funny, I knew right when you signed on again today I felt an overwhelmingly evil shift in the force. lol
 Quoting: _Obsidian_


Obsidian, why do you engage with Menow? You already know what he's about.
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I honestly thought there was no way that he'd keep going. I didn't really believe in such dedicated shills. But now I see what you mean :-(
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Thread: Something is very wrong with the Sun tonight!
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Thread: The moon is much too far south. It's supposed to be overhead like the sun is!!!!!!!! Moon has been knocked below the ecliptic. What's going
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Thread: The sun set waaaay too far south today
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These are not 'ideas' to be debunked. These are very simple, straightforward observations.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30218778


No, they involve conclusions, based on memory, that things are different than they "should be". The observations are hopelessly vague, but put forth as if they have specificity.

There is not debate about observing when the sun sets or rises and comparing the 'official' times listed.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30218778


Correct, because that would pin you all down to specifics and you don't want that. You want to keep it vague so no one can prove you wrong- that would spoil all your fun.

Our local shills want to argue bc they get paid to do so, to obfuscate, frustrate, run-down posters, deflect attention, ridicule, etc. etc.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30218778


Wrong again. People simply don't like seeing fear-mogering lies posted.

Again, I urge you to ignore them, not only for yourselves but for the others who visit this thread, so visitors don't get frustrated and leave. Let them argue amongst themselves.
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Yes, it's always best to ignore those who question your claims and/or prove them wrong. It's an important rule in the fear-mongering playbook.
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Sun seemed late here today too. By atleast a half hour or more.
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The rising time can vary from being on-time, to too late, to too early. It's pretty fascinating.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30218778


Meaning that your "reports" disagree with each other. Hilarious!
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Thread: THE SUN THIS MORNING

first post:

IS IT IN THE WRONG PLACE??
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SO normally in each of these seasonal time of the year (Summer and Winter), the Sun "goes out" (from east or west) in about 15 degrees,

 Quoting: DUCM900


Simply false. It depends on your latitude.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


False what?
 Quoting: DUCM900


Your statement, which I quoted. QUOTE: "SO normally in each of these seasonal time of the year (Summer and Winter), the Sun "goes out" (from east or west) in about 15 degrees,"

Obviously I did not mean on the equator regions where there are not such as things,
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You really should learn better English. This makes little sense.

I live in the middle Europe latitude as you live in the USA as well with pretty similar stuff and I'm just reporting what I am seeing.
 Quoting: DUCM900


No, you are claiming that it is abnormal for the sun to ever rise/set more than 15 degrees from east/west. That claim of yours is simply false.
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SO normally in each of these seasonal time of the year (Summer and Winter), the Sun "goes out" (from east or west) in about 15 degrees,

 Quoting: DUCM900


Simply false. It depends on your latitude.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Obviously I did not mean on the equator regions, I live in the middle Europe latitude as you live in the USA as well with pretty similar stuff and I'm just reporting what I am seeing.

putin


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 Quoting: DUCM900


That's all we're trying to get here, observations. Menow is a non-entity.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30218778


You mean you are trying to get any statement you can get to reinforce your silly notion, no matter how vague or biased or un-vetted.
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These are not 'ideas' to be debunked. These are very simple, straightforward observations. There is not debate about observing when the sun sets or rises and comparing the 'official' times listed. Our local shills want to argue bc they get paid to do so, to obfuscate, frustrate, run-down posters, deflect attention, ridicule, etc. etc.

Again, I urge you to ignore them, not only for yourselves but for the others who visit this thread, so visitors don't get frustrated and leave. Let them argue amongst themselves.
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clappa
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Sun seemed late here today too. By atleast a half hour or more.
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yep that was what I observed I clocked it at about 26 min aprox!
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No one has said anything about observation not being real science.

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No, they ask for DOCUMENTATION and REPEATABLE EXPERIMENTATION! Have any? Didn't think so.
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Funny, I knew right when you signed on again today I felt an overwhelmingly evil shift in the force. lol
 Quoting: _Obsidian_


Obsidian, why do you engage with Menow? You already know what he's about.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30218778


I honestly thought there was no way that he'd keep going. I didn't really believe in such dedicated shills. But now I see what you mean :-(
 Quoting: _Obsidian_


Why don't you talk about the sun allegedly rising 2 days early in Greenland some more? It's false, but tried-and-true "woo" fodder! They eat it up with a spoon!

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