The Sun Was Supposed To Set At 4:41 Central Time In Missouri, 12/18 , Still Hasn't Set At 5:01 | |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30543058 12/21/2012 11:03 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Same again here in the uk tonight....Still light even though it's overcast. The sky has a sort of a luminous look to it....It should be quite dark now with the cloud cover.....but it's still light,i can see outdoors really well. Strange. Also i have been feeling dizzy at times, they was a thread on here yesterday about people also experiencing the same sort of dizziness. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30490018 Sunrise 08:20 Sunset 15:55 |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 30218778 12/21/2012 11:15 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Same again here in the uk tonight....Still light even though it's overcast. The sky has a sort of a luminous look to it....It should be quite dark now with the cloud cover.....but it's still light,i can see outdoors really well. Strange. Also i have been feeling dizzy at times, they was a thread on here yesterday about people also experiencing the same sort of dizziness. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30490018 Yes, I was having shortness of breath and a little dizziness too. |
| Menow User ID: 18943200 12/21/2012 11:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 30218778 12/21/2012 11:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | These are not 'ideas' to be debunked. These are very simple, straightforward observations. There is not debate about observing when the sun sets or rises and comparing the 'official' times listed. Our local shills want to argue bc they get paid to do so, to obfuscate, frustrate, run-down posters, deflect attention, ridicule, etc. etc. Again, I urge you to ignore them, not only for yourselves but for the others who visit this thread, so visitors don't get frustrated and leave. Let them argue amongst themselves. |
| Da fuq User ID: 16258666 12/21/2012 11:22 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | |
| Menow User ID: 18943200 12/21/2012 11:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What is that supposed to show? Here is where you can set the date and location and see where the sun is supposed to rise and set. It most certainly can be way more than + or - 15 degrees from east/west. [link to suncalc.net] |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 30218778 12/21/2012 11:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I noticed that when I was encouraging engagement with the shills that there were a lot more contributions, but I left this thread alone for a while and folks started arguing again. Just scroll past them. They are working together these days and have been at this a long time. In fact, I'd say that the better quality shills are on GLP these days. I can tell one has higher mathematics training by his arguments and jargon. Just let them go mumbling amongst themselves. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 30218778 12/21/2012 11:26 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I noticed that when I was encouraging engagement with the shills that there were a lot more contributions, but I left this thread alone for a while and folks started arguing again. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30218778 Just scroll past them. They are working together these days and have been at this a long time. In fact, I'd say that the better quality shills are on GLP these days. I can tell one has higher mathematics training by his arguments and jargon. Just let them go mumbling amongst themselves. 'encouraging engagement' should be 'discouraging engagement |
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| DUCM900 User ID: 30553157 12/21/2012 11:32 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SO normally in each of these seasonal time of the year (Summer and Winter), the Sun "goes out" (from east or west) in about 15 degrees, Quoting: DUCM900 Simply false. It depends on your latitude. False what? Obviously I did not mean on the equator regions where there are not such as things, I live in the middle Europe latitude as you live in the USA as well with pretty similar stuff and I'm just reporting what I am seeing. ![]() - Last Edited by DVCMCM on 12/21/2012 11:46 AM Just Sayin... look @ this: Thread: Upside down moon is really a alien mothership. Thread: ~ MOON TILT 90 DEGREES IN 8 HOURS-? ~ Thread: ???? Anyone notice the UPSIDE DOWN MOON last night ????? Thread: With which foot did N. Armstrong first step onto the moon his right or his left? Thread: Crepuscular Light Duration Has Changed Thread: Venus and Jupiter Conjuntion Rates Disinfo |
| Menow User ID: 18943200 12/21/2012 11:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Surely, very bright and you can feel it pretty much even if its winter time. However since almost 2 years I've noticed that the Sun is running out of the max extension in degrees relative to the horizon on the 21 june (west to north @ sunset) and the 21 dec (east to south @ sunrise) almost in about of 15 degrees. SO normally in each of these seasonal time of the year (Summer and Winter), the Sun "goes out" (from east or west) in about 15 degrees, but actually, its 30 degrees in total on each starting season (so twice the normal). Check out yourself now, the Sun is rising pretty South from East more than normally does in winter time. This video below is just an example of a witness - That vid maker has no idea what he is talking about. He rambles on, making it clear that he is just guessing. In one comment he says the sun appears to be out of place by ONE DEGREE! Heh... |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 30218778 12/21/2012 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Surely, very bright and you can feel it pretty much even if its winter time. However since almost 2 years I've noticed that the Sun is running out of the max extension in degrees relative to the horizon on the 21 june (west to north @ sunset) and the 21 dec (east to south @ sunrise) almost in about of 15 degrees. SO normally in each of these seasonal time of the year (Summer and Winter), the Sun "goes out" (from east or west) in about 15 degrees, but actually, its 30 degrees in total on each starting season (so twice the normal). Check out yourself now, the Sun is rising pretty South from East more than normally does in winter time. This video below is just an example of a witness - Crazy and consistent with what others are noticing. |
| Menow User ID: 18943200 12/21/2012 11:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: Sun Did NOT Rise On TIME This AM I am Utterly Convinced by my OWN observation there is a difference. Quoting: IwasKidding Then you should publish your findings and the science you used to arrive at them. You'll be world-famous! |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 30218778 12/21/2012 11:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: Sun Did NOT Rise On TIME This AM I am Utterly Convinced by my OWN observation there is a difference. Quoting: IwasKidding Thanks for your contribution. |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 30218778 12/21/2012 11:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thread: Sun Did NOT Rise On TIME This AM I am Utterly Convinced by my OWN observation there is a difference. Quoting: IwasKidding Thanks for your contribution. We are ignoring shills like Menow on this thread. |
| Anonymous Coward User ID: 30314095 12/21/2012 11:39 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | These are not 'ideas' to be debunked. These are very simple, straightforward observations. There is not debate about observing when the sun sets or rises and comparing the 'official' times listed. Our local shills want to argue bc they get paid to do so, to obfuscate, frustrate, run-down posters, deflect attention, ridicule, etc. etc. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30218778 Again, I urge you to ignore them, not only for yourselves but for the others who visit this thread, so visitors don't get frustrated and leave. Let them argue amongst themselves. ![]() |
| Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 30218778 12/21/2012 11:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SO normally in each of these seasonal time of the year (Summer and Winter), the Sun "goes out" (from east or west) in about 15 degrees, Quoting: DUCM900 Simply false. It depends on your latitude. Obviously I did not mean on the equator regions, I live in the middle Europe latitude as you live in the USA as well with pretty similar stuff and I'm just reporting what I am seeing. ![]() - That's all we're trying to get here, observations. Menow is a non-entity. |
| Menow User ID: 18943200 12/21/2012 11:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also, for all the "debunkers" who are on here demanding irrefutable proof in the name of science, well, I AM a scientist (I have a BS and an advanced degree) and the first thing you learn as a scientist is that all science is based first upon observation. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18771844 Without observations first being made, there can be no hypotheses, experiments, or theories. I hate it when closed-minded jerks get on forums and start talking about observation isn't real science. YES it is. No one has said anything about observation not being real science. Also, one more thing, a REAL scientist ALWAYS keeps an open mind, and if evidence comes forth that might suggest what he has always believed to be untrue, a real scientist doesn't sweep the observation under the rug. Only cowards who are afraid of the status quo being upset, or people who are at risk of losing something if the status quo is upset, bury evidence. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18771844 REAL scientists alway keep an open mind. ALWAYS. Even if it means their world may be turned upside down. No, they ask for DOCUMENTATION and REPEATABLE EXPERIMENTATION! Have any? Didn't think so. Funny, I knew right when you signed on again today I felt an overwhelmingly evil shift in the force. lol Obsidian, why do you engage with Menow? You already know what he's about. Yes... you should never respond to people who question your claims or show where you are wrong. It's in the "Woo" code-of-conduct book! |
| _Obsidian_ User ID: 1982614 12/21/2012 11:45 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Also, for all the "debunkers" who are on here demanding irrefutable proof in the name of science, well, I AM a scientist (I have a BS and an advanced degree) and the first thing you learn as a scientist is that all science is based first upon observation. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18771844 Without observations first being made, there can be no hypotheses, experiments, or theories. I hate it when closed-minded jerks get on forums and start talking about observation isn't real science. YES it is. No one has said anything about observation not being real science. Also, one more thing, a REAL scientist ALWAYS keeps an open mind, and if evidence comes forth that might suggest what he has always believed to be untrue, a real scientist doesn't sweep the observation under the rug. Only cowards who are afraid of the status quo being upset, or people who are at risk of losing something if the status quo is upset, bury evidence. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 18771844 REAL scientists alway keep an open mind. ALWAYS. Even if it means their world may be turned upside down. No, they ask for DOCUMENTATION and REPEATABLE EXPERIMENTATION! Have any? Didn't think so. Funny, I knew right when you signed on again today I felt an overwhelmingly evil shift in the force. lol Obsidian, why do you engage with Menow? You already know what he's about. I honestly thought there was no way that he'd keep going. I didn't really believe in such dedicated shills. But now I see what you mean :-( "Only one candle left to burn now, before the darkness comes" "Happiness consumes itself like a flame. It cannot burn for ever, it must go out, and the presentiment of its end destroys it at its very peak." "But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of" |
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| Menow User ID: 18943200 12/21/2012 11:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | These are not 'ideas' to be debunked. These are very simple, straightforward observations. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30218778 No, they involve conclusions, based on memory, that things are different than they "should be". The observations are hopelessly vague, but put forth as if they have specificity. There is not debate about observing when the sun sets or rises and comparing the 'official' times listed. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30218778 Correct, because that would pin you all down to specifics and you don't want that. You want to keep it vague so no one can prove you wrong- that would spoil all your fun. Our local shills want to argue bc they get paid to do so, to obfuscate, frustrate, run-down posters, deflect attention, ridicule, etc. etc. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30218778 Wrong again. People simply don't like seeing fear-mogering lies posted. Again, I urge you to ignore them, not only for yourselves but for the others who visit this thread, so visitors don't get frustrated and leave. Let them argue amongst themselves. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30218778 Yes, it's always best to ignore those who question your claims and/or prove them wrong. It's an important rule in the fear-mongering playbook. |
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| Menow User ID: 18943200 12/21/2012 11:58 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SO normally in each of these seasonal time of the year (Summer and Winter), the Sun "goes out" (from east or west) in about 15 degrees, Quoting: DUCM900 Simply false. It depends on your latitude. False what? Your statement, which I quoted. QUOTE: "SO normally in each of these seasonal time of the year (Summer and Winter), the Sun "goes out" (from east or west) in about 15 degrees," Obviously I did not mean on the equator regions where there are not such as things, Quoting: DUCM900 You really should learn better English. This makes little sense. I live in the middle Europe latitude as you live in the USA as well with pretty similar stuff and I'm just reporting what I am seeing. Quoting: DUCM900 No, you are claiming that it is abnormal for the sun to ever rise/set more than 15 degrees from east/west. That claim of yours is simply false. |
| Menow User ID: 18943200 12/21/2012 12:00 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | SO normally in each of these seasonal time of the year (Summer and Winter), the Sun "goes out" (from east or west) in about 15 degrees, Quoting: DUCM900 Simply false. It depends on your latitude. Obviously I did not mean on the equator regions, I live in the middle Europe latitude as you live in the USA as well with pretty similar stuff and I'm just reporting what I am seeing. ![]() - That's all we're trying to get here, observations. Menow is a non-entity. You mean you are trying to get any statement you can get to reinforce your silly notion, no matter how vague or biased or un-vetted. |
| IwasKidding User ID: 27554728 12/21/2012 12:01 PM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | These are not 'ideas' to be debunked. These are very simple, straightforward observations. There is not debate about observing when the sun sets or rises and comparing the 'official' times listed. Our local shills want to argue bc they get paid to do so, to obfuscate, frustrate, run-down posters, deflect attention, ridicule, etc. etc. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30218778 Again, I urge you to ignore them, not only for yourselves but for the others who visit this thread, so visitors don't get frustrated and leave. Let them argue amongst themselves. ![]() aka urkidding & NobodysFriend |