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# The Sun Was Supposed To Set At 4:41 Central Time In Missouri, 12/18 , Still Hasn't Set At 5:01

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12/21/2012 04:00 PM

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Ok, you are dumb. Period.
Quoting: DUCM900

Why did you type the word 'Period'?
You already used one, right after the word 'dumb'.
Quoting: Karlos

Maybe I wrong, I should have written coma and then brain (in italian coma = comatose), period
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12/21/2012 04:07 PM

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However since almost 2 years I've noticed that the Sun is running out of the max extension in degrees relative to the horizon on the 21 june (west to north @ sunset) and the 21 dec (east to south @ sunrise) almost in about of 15 degrees.

SO normally in each of these seasonal time of the year (Summer and Winter), the Sun "goes out" (from east or west) in about 15 degrees, but actually, its 30 degrees in total on each starting season (so twice the normal).

Check out yourself now, the Sun is rising pretty South from East more than normally does in winter time.

Quoting: DUCM900

So you're saying the maximum deviation is suppose to be only 15 degrees. Where are you getting your information from? Link?

"The size of the variation of the position of sunset to either side of due west is something which changes with latitude. The angle, 23.5 degrees that you remember is the tilt of the Earth's axis, and therefore the maximum deviation the Sun has above and below being directly over the Earth's equator. If you lived exactly at the equator, this angle would be the maximum azimuth the sunset moves from due West (ie. on Dec 21st, the sun sets 23.5 deg south of west at the equator, while on June 21st it sets 23.5 deg north of west), but north and south of the Equator the deviation is larger by a factor 1/cos(latitude)." [link to curious.astro.cornell.edu]

If you lived at the equator, the sunrise/sunset deviation would be 23.5 degrees. The farther you get from the equator, the greater the deviation. I live at a latitude of 30 degrees. Using the equation on the page I quoted from, we see that at my location the deviation is 27.1 degrees.

23.5/cos(30) = 27.1

That means the Sun will set 27.1 degrees south of due west for me on on Dec 21st, for a total shift of 54.2 degrees over a year.

Rome, Italy is at 41 degrees latitude. 23.5/cos(41) = 31.1 degrees deviation, with a total shift of 62.2 degrees over a year.
Quoting: BoxerLvr

Yup!

And at my lattitude (54.6ºn) I get a spread of about 81º over the course of a year
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12/21/2012 04:26 PM

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Solar density is at .70 and falling?

Went from 9 to .70 in 4 hours.
Quoting: Da fuq

Solar density is at .70 and falling?

Nice, another douchebag, who don't understand what he is reading.

Douchebag: It's the density of the solar wind - that makes a little difference.

Educate yourself.

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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12/21/2012 04:28 PM

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If you lived at the equator, the sunrise/sunset deviation would be 23.5 degrees. The farther you get from the equator, the greater the deviation. I live at a latitude of 30 degrees. Using the equation on the page I quoted from, we see that at my location the deviation is 27.1 degrees.

23.5/cos(30) = 27.1

That means the Sun will set 27.1 degrees south of due west for me on on Dec 21st, for a total shift of 54.2 degrees over a year.

Rome, Italy is at 41 degrees latitude. 23.5/cos(41) = 31.1 degrees deviation, with a total shift of 62.2 degrees over a year.
Quoting: BoxerLvr

Sorry, you are right, I mean 30x2 = 60 degrees of max estension for both season. However I've noticed almost 7 or 8 degrees out for each season, so in total its in about almost 15 degrees out.

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If you lived at the equator, the sunrise/sunset deviation would be 23.5 degrees. The farther you get from the equator, the greater the deviation. I live at a latitude of 30 degrees. Using the equation on the page I quoted from, we see that at my location the deviation is 27.1 degrees.

23.5/cos(30) = 27.1

That means the Sun will set 27.1 degrees south of due west for me on on Dec 21st, for a total shift of 54.2 degrees over a year.

Rome, Italy is at 41 degrees latitude. 23.5/cos(41) = 31.1 degrees deviation, with a total shift of 62.2 degrees over a year.
Quoting: BoxerLvr

Sorry, you are right, I mean 30x2 = 60 degrees max estension for both season.
Quoting: DUCM900

I guess DUCM900 even don't know the meaning of "cos".

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If the Moon is off, if Earth wobbles or if there is a pole shift
how can things like this, predicted decades ago, happen?

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DUCM900

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I guess DUCM900 even don't know the meaning of "cos".

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I think that people who are truly interested in a topic should just TOTALLY ignore the detractors (once a thread is established as at least possibly "legitimate" that is -- and, IMO, I think the sun's lingering and/or unusual brightness IS a matter for continued conjecture and discussion until if and when the "weirdness" just goes away.

But, as far as "Red Giant" or "sun doom" by a certain date (which, BTW, I don't think will occur any time soon, it will either come to pass -- in which case, who cares who was right or who was wrong -- or it won't, in which case the detractors will have every right to gloat.

In the meantime, though, my opinion is that if you can't add anything worthwhile to this thread, just take your insults elsewhere. JMHO.
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12/21/2012 05:19 PM
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I think that people who are truly interested in a topic should just TOTALLY ignore the detractors (once a thread is established as at least possibly "legitimate" that is -- and, IMO, I think the sun's lingering and/or unusual brightness IS a matter for continued conjecture and discussion until if and when the "weirdness" just goes away.

But, as far as "Red Giant" or "sun doom" by a certain date (which, BTW, I don't think will occur any time soon, it will either come to pass -- in which case, who cares who was right or who was wrong -- or it won't, in which case the detractors will have every right to gloat.

In the meantime, though, my opinion is that if you can't add anything worthwhile to this thread, just take your insults elsewhere. JMHO.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29875503

Kindly review the last 2-3 pages and see who has been insulting whom. I look forward to your analysis.
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12/21/2012 05:37 PM
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I think that people who are truly interested in a topic should just TOTALLY ignore the detractors (once a thread is established as at least possibly "legitimate" that is -- and, IMO, I think the sun's lingering and/or unusual brightness IS a matter for continued conjecture and discussion until if and when the "weirdness" just goes away.

But, as far as "Red Giant" or "sun doom" by a certain date (which, BTW, I don't think will occur any time soon, it will either come to pass -- in which case, who cares who was right or who was wrong -- or it won't, in which case the detractors will have every right to gloat.

In the meantime, though, my opinion is that if you can't add anything worthwhile to this thread, just take your insults elsewhere. JMHO.
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Kindly review the last 2-3 pages and see who has been insulting whom. I look forward to your analysis.
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I did not "choose sides" on the insults. If the shoe fits . . . and that applies to everyone.
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12/21/2012 05:44 PM
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I think that people who are truly interested in a topic should just TOTALLY ignore the detractors (once a thread is established as at least possibly "legitimate" that is -- and, IMO, I think the sun's lingering and/or unusual brightness IS a matter for continued conjecture and discussion until if and when the "weirdness" just goes away.

But, as far as "Red Giant" or "sun doom" by a certain date (which, BTW, I don't think will occur any time soon, it will either come to pass -- in which case, who cares who was right or who was wrong -- or it won't, in which case the detractors will have every right to gloat.

In the meantime, though, my opinion is that if you can't add anything worthwhile to this thread, just take your insults elsewhere. JMHO.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29875503

Kindly review the last 2-3 pages and see who has been insulting whom. I look forward to your analysis.
Quoting: Menow 18943200

I did not "choose sides" on the insults. If the shoe fits . . . and that applies to everyone.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29875503

So you don't care to look and see just who has descended into abject insults? Hint: It isn't the "detractors".
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12/21/2012 05:48 PM
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To: Menow

It seems to me -- and I admit I could be wrong about this -- that this thread started out as just questions, to which some people answered nicely and some did not. Then, it seemed to me that the detractors were very disparaging of those of us who were just reporting our observations.

However, in the last three or so pages, I admit that EVERYONE on both sides started "upping" the insults until -- like many of these threads -- the original discussion got lost amid all the insults.

But, again, JMHO.
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12/21/2012 05:55 PM

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Well, you really need to learn to just ignore these trolleries, or you always end up like what in threads like these, while them trolls get a boner about how you fall for their line over and over again. Be more clever than that.

Focus on topic, ignore the unkind.

I think that people who are truly interested in a topic should just TOTALLY ignore the detractors (once a thread is established as at least possibly "legitimate" that is -- and, IMO, I think the sun's lingering and/or unusual brightness IS a matter for continued conjecture and discussion until if and when the "weirdness" just goes away.

But, as far as "Red Giant" or "sun doom" by a certain date (which, BTW, I don't think will occur any time soon, it will either come to pass -- in which case, who cares who was right or who was wrong -- or it won't, in which case the detractors will have every right to gloat.

In the meantime, though, my opinion is that if you can't add anything worthwhile to this thread, just take your insults elsewhere. JMHO.
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Last Edited by Artaius San on 12/21/2012 06:00 PM
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12/21/2012 05:58 PM
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Well, you really need to learn to ignore these trolleries, or you always end up like what in threads like these, while them trolls get a boner about how you fall for their line over and over again. Be more clever than that.

I think that people who are truly interested in a topic should just TOTALLY ignore the detractors (once a thread is established as at least possibly "legitimate" that is -- and, IMO, I think the sun's lingering and/or unusual brightness IS a matter for continued conjecture and discussion until if and when the "weirdness" just goes away.

But, as far as "Red Giant" or "sun doom" by a certain date (which, BTW, I don't think will occur any time soon, it will either come to pass -- in which case, who cares who was right or who was wrong -- or it won't, in which case the detractors will have every right to gloat.

In the meantime, though, my opinion is that if you can't add anything worthwhile to this thread, just take your insults elsewhere. JMHO.
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Quoting: Artaius

Thanks. I will try to remember that. Meanwhile, I think I will go away now and maybe check back later tomorrow. Happy holidays to you in Germany!
Artaius
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Happy Holidays to you in the States as well!

Thanks. I will try to remember that. Meanwhile, I think I will go away now and maybe check back later tomorrow. Happy holidays to you in Germany!
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Last Edited by Artaius San on 12/21/2012 06:01 PM
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12/21/2012 06:10 PM
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Sun was supposed to set at 4:43. It's 5:09 and it hasn't set yet.

Also, I agree with everyone that the sun is looking a lot brighter lately. White hot and hard to look at. If Nibiru was out today, I couldn't see it because I could barely look at the sun.

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12/21/2012 06:15 PM

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I have to chuckle I wonder how many of you have stepped outside to see the sun either at sunrise or sunst. I wonder if you can see anything but high rise buildings...I wonder if any of the folks who so it isn't so can see what I see. It sat late today as well. I took pics...I even took pics of how VERY light it still is even now with it having Finally set....What a shame you all will just keep slugging it out instead of getting out in nature a bit each day and really LOOKING/Seeing what is so blatently DIFFERENT.
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I have to chuckle I wonder how many of you have stepped outside to see the sun either at sunrise or sunst. I wonder if you can see anything but high rise buildings...I wonder if any of the folks who so it isn't so can see what I see. It sat late today as well. I took pics...I even took pics of how VERY light it still is even now with it having Finally set....What a shame you all will just keep slugging it out instead of getting out in nature a bit each day and really LOOKING/Seeing what is so blatently DIFFERENT.

oh btw I will not post pics. Open your eyes and realize
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Sun was supposed to set at 4:43. It's 5:09 and it hasn't set yet.

Also, I agree with everyone that the sun is looking a lot brighter lately. White hot and hard to look at. If Nibiru was out today, I couldn't see it because I could barely look at the sun.
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check out this map --> [link to static.die.net]
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12/21/2012 06:24 PM
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To: Menow

It seems to me -- and I admit I could be wrong about this -- that this thread started out as just questions, to which some people answered nicely and some did not. Then, it seemed to me that the detractors were very disparaging of those of us who were just reporting our observations.

However, in the last three or so pages, I admit that EVERYONE on both sides started "upping" the insults until -- like many of these threads -- the original discussion got lost amid all the insults.

But, again, JMHO.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29875503

Bullshit. For the most part, this thread was ignored until people on it started making claims of FACT. Then they were challenged as to what they had to back that up. What do they have? Nothing at all. Did you actually READ the last 3 pages to come to your conclusion? I don't think so.
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To: Menow

It seems to me -- and I admit I could be wrong about this -- that this thread started out as just questions, to which some people answered nicely and some did not. Then, it seemed to me that the detractors were very disparaging of those of us who were just reporting our observations.

However, in the last three or so pages, I admit that EVERYONE on both sides started "upping" the insults until -- like many of these threads -- the original discussion got lost amid all the insults.

But, again, JMHO.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29875503

Here is a quote of the first question asked:

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30218778

But are you somewhere you can actually see the true horizon?

I challenge you to find where that question was answered. That should give you an accurate idea of the motive behind the OP's actions.
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12/21/2012 06:29 PM
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To: Menow

It seems to me -- and I admit I could be wrong about this -- that this thread started out as just questions, to which some people answered nicely and some did not. Then, it seemed to me that the detractors were very disparaging of those of us who were just reporting our observations.

However, in the last three or so pages, I admit that EVERYONE on both sides started "upping" the insults until -- like many of these threads -- the original discussion got lost amid all the insults.

But, again, JMHO.
Quoting: Anonymous Coward 29875503

Here is a quote of the first question asked:

Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30218778

But are you somewhere you can actually see the true horizon?

I challenge you to find where that question was answered. That should give you an accurate idea of the motive behind the OP's actions.
Quoting: Menow 18943200

PS: Here is the response given:

I am watching the sunset and about the bottom 1 inch of my view is obscured by trees. What's weird is that yesterday the sky was dark at the appropriate time but not tonight.

eerie

My point being- the response doesn't really answer the question at all, and that sort of empty response has been repeated over and over again.
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12/21/2012 06:33 PM
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I have to chuckle I wonder how many of you have stepped outside to see the sun either at sunrise or sunst. I wonder if you can see anything but high rise buildings...I wonder if any of the folks who so it isn't so can see what I see. It sat late today as well. I took pics...I even took pics of how VERY light it still is even now with it having Finally set....What a shame you all will just keep slugging it out instead of getting out in nature a bit each day and really LOOKING/Seeing what is so blatently DIFFERENT.

How do you imagine the world's astronomers have not noticed the sun setting, what, 20 minutes late?

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At 530 tonight (just now) went to shut up the chickens. There is still a red glow were the sun went don. I did not require a flashlight to get to coop I can make out all things trees, ground where everything is. This was not like that a week ago folks, fyi!
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Sun was supposed to set at 4:43. It's 5:09 and it hasn't set yet.

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You're quite obviously lying.
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What a shame you all will just keep slugging it out instead of getting out in nature a bit each day and really LOOKING/Seeing what is so blatently DIFFERENT.

You see...
As a VERY EXPERIENCED amateur astronomer, I do get out regularly.
Whenever practical I travel away from populated areas, set up telescopes, and view for hours at a time.
I always time my travelling so I arrive at my chosen 'dark-site' as near to sunset as I can, depending on travelling conditions.
While it's getting dark, I set up my scope/s, chat to observing buddies, etc...
After several years of this routine, you get a very good handle on twilight brightness levels - I can now tell the difference between civil twilight, nautical twilight, astronomical twilight, and full-dark just by eye - and so can most of the regular guys there.....

....and none of us have noticed anything amiss.

After visiting this forum the last few months, I've been paying even more attention to it than normal - and still, not seen anything amiss.

Last Edited by Karlos on 12/21/2012 06:53 PM
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Another eywitness report --- > Thread: Dark Sky Before The Sunset
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Ok I left and quit participating because I thought I was the problem for debating with meow or whatever his name is and things seriously got 100 times worse to where this is a circus. Everyone is engaging the shills and you guys are all flinging insults right and left.

This thread went way off topic along time ago.

Anywho, Let's just wait and see what happens. That's the onlt way we will know for sure.
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Ok I left and quit participating because I thought I was the problem for debating with meow or whatever his name is and things seriously got 100 times worse to where this is a circus. Everyone is engaging the shills and you guys are all flinging insults right and left.

This thread went way off topic along time ago.

Anywho, Let's just wait and see what happens. That's the onlt way we will know for sure.
Quoting: _Obsidian_

Yes the last one shill comes from the cartoons as you can see.

Don't feed them.

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Ok I left and quit participating because I thought I was the problem for debating with meow or whatever his name is and things seriously got 100 times worse to where this is a circus. Everyone is engaging the shills and you guys are all flinging insults right and left.

This thread went way off topic along time ago.

Anywho, Let's just wait and see what happens. That's the onlt way we will know for sure.
Quoting: _Obsidian_

Yes the last one shill comes from the cartoons as you can see.

Don't feed them.

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Quoting: DUCM900

Ok I left and quit participating because I thought I was the problem for debating with meow or whatever his name is and things seriously got 100 times worse to where this is a circus. Everyone is engaging the shills and you guys are all flinging insults right and left.

This thread went way off topic along time ago.

Anywho, Let's just wait and see what happens. That's the onlt way we will know for sure.
Quoting: _Obsidian_

Yes the last one shill comes from the cartoons as you can see.

Don't feed them.

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Quoting: DUCM900

Are you saying I'm a shill or are you talking about Menow?
"Only one candle left to burn now, before the darkness comes"

"Happiness consumes itself like a flame. It cannot burn for ever, it must go out, and the presentiment of its end destroys it at its very peak."

"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of"