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The Sun Was Supposed To Set At 4:41 Central Time In Missouri, 12/18 , Still Hasn't Set At 5:01

 
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Noticed it was light when I left work last night.

It was not dark when I left at 6.45am this morning nor was it dark at 5pm driving home. Supposed to be the shortest day of light of the year - didn't seem that way.
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So, you are apparently claiming that the sun rose too early AND set too late, is that right?
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After seeing this thread I decided to put it to the test. It was supposed to set at 4:35 and wasn't dark until 5:10. Does it take 35 minutes after sunset to get dark?
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Heh. It depends on what you mean by "dark", but I'd say yes, at least that long or longer.
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After seeing this thread I decided to put it to the test. It was supposed to set at 4:35 and wasn't dark until 5:10. Does it take 35 minutes after sunset to get dark?
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Yes,pretty much. Sun sets and then You have twilight and dusk before its actually 'dark'.
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Now do you understand the true nature of folks like DUCM900?
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You are coming off twisted and you seriously need to just quit. Im tired of all the fighting.
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You dont have to fight the stupid troll bots right?

We are reporting facts here-

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You are right they aren't getting to me anymore they aren't there. Our misunderstanding made me see even clearer the nature of whats going on here. Menow and Hydra are never getting a reply from me again.
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You're blaming us for your alleged misunderstanding with DUCM? Seriously? The "nature" of what is going on here is poeple making wild unfounded claims about something being wrong in the sky and other challenging them on it.
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Does this mean that the earth's rotation is slowing down?
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It could be that it could also be our atmosphere or our sun getting brighter. I'm just taking a guess btw its worth looking into all possibilities.
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Btw I wanted to mention earlier which was why I was here but I got distracted :-( that it was bright here about 6am but I looked and the sunrise was not till 6:50. It was also bright as in summer time level of brightness at 8am it burned my eyes and gave me a headache (not looking directly btw that I had no desire to go outisde. I missed the sunset I've been so stressed I didn't bother looking tbh. All this december 21st crap and all the arguing really drained me. But I do still think something is off. Just because a major calamity didn't happen. I think it's also worth mentioning someone posted a thread where they said if the last day of the mayan calender is the 21st wouldn't tomorrow be the actual end? Just food for thought. I'm not saying I believe but it made me give it some more thought. Naysayers please leave me alone for once btw lol This is mainly to discuss with the OP, Duc and Da Fuq or any other person NOT trying to fight.
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Trying not to fight? Did you READ the utterly nasty things those two posted a couple pages back?
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It was also bright as in summer time level of brightness at 8am it burned my eyes and gave me a headache (not looking directly btw that I had no desire to go outisde.
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It was well after sunrise and you find it remarkable that it was "bright as in summer"? Do you think it is supposed to somehow be darker in winter than summer?
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Does this mean that the earth's rotation is slowing down?
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It could be that it could also be our atmosphere or our sun getting brighter. I'm just taking a guess btw its worth looking into all possibilities.
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Except the possibility that you are simply mistaken?
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I have to chuckle I wonder how many of you have stepped outside to see the sun either at sunrise or sunst. I wonder if you can see anything but high rise buildings...I wonder if any of the folks who so it isn't so can see what I see. It sat late today as well. I took pics...I even took pics of how VERY light it still is even now with it having Finally set....What a shame you all will just keep slugging it out instead of getting out in nature a bit each day and really LOOKING/Seeing what is so blatently DIFFERENT.
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How do you imagine the world's astronomers have not noticed the sun setting, what, 20 minutes late?
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Note: No response. Straightforward questions like the above are roundly and consistently ignored.
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Does this mean that the earth's rotation is slowing down?
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It could be that it could also be our atmosphere or our sun getting brighter. I'm just taking a guess btw its worth looking into all possibilities.
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Yep, some time ago I started a thread about that, just trying to connect some dots:

--> Thread: Did The French Concorde Plane Stop Flying? It's Because Of The Recent Athmosphere Modification?



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Duc I read what you were saying wrong and now I feel like an ass. :-( But Menow and Hydra need to back the hell off!
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Dont care about them, those trolling bots are now just used as a bumping thread tool only.


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Damn this things on the way to 20,000 views and 1,000 comments I think the shills did us a favor for sure :-)
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So you are against the fighting and insults except where it is you and your buddies, throwing insults at people you consider "shills" and "trolling bots"? How very droll.
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Does this mean that the earth's rotation is slowing down?
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It could be that it could also be our atmosphere or our sun getting brighter. I'm just taking a guess btw its worth looking into all possibilities.
 Quoting: _Obsidian_


Yep, some time ago I started a thread about that, just trying to connect some dots:

--> Thread: Did The French Concorde Plane Stop Flying? It's Because Of The Recent Athmosphere Modification?



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 Quoting: DUCM900



The 7 things you listed there are all very true. Wouldn't the poles flipping ruin our atmosphere? For awhile anyways until they restabilize? I had a dream years ago about that before I even read any of this stuff. In my dream I saw a news broadcast saying it was the end of the world. Then I went outside the sky was an eerie lavender and I knew for some reason in the dream that the atmosphere was denser. I saw a ton of planets too btw closer than the moon. Then I woke up and it felt very vivid and surreal I even got up to look out of the window lol
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"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of"
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Noticed it was light when I left work last night.

It was not dark when I left at 6.45am this morning nor was it dark at 5pm driving home. Supposed to be the shortest day of light of the year - didn't seem that way.
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Considering that sunrise is somewhere around 7am, why would you be surprised that it's light at 6:45? On the other end, sunset is somewhere around 4:45, so why would you be surprised that it's still light 15 minutes later?
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Does this mean that the earth's rotation is slowing down?
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It could be that it could also be our atmosphere or our sun getting brighter. I'm just taking a guess btw its worth looking into all possibilities.
 Quoting: _Obsidian_


Yep, some time ago I started a thread about that, just trying to connect some dots:

--> Thread: Did The French Concorde Plane Stop Flying? It's Because Of The Recent Athmosphere Modification?



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The 7 things you listed there are all very true.
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Whaat?? Did you READ the things he said??
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Does this mean that the earth's rotation is slowing down?
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It could be that it could also be our atmosphere or our sun getting brighter. I'm just taking a guess btw its worth looking into all possibilities.
 Quoting: _Obsidian_


Yep, some time ago I started a thread about that, just trying to connect some dots:

--> Thread: Did The French Concorde Plane Stop Flying? It's Because Of The Recent Athmosphere Modification?



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The 7 things you listed there are all very true.
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Whaat?? Did you READ the things he said?? Do you people all have the same disease or what?
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Does this mean that the earth's rotation is slowing down?
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It could be that it could also be our atmosphere or our sun getting brighter. I'm just taking a guess btw its worth looking into all possibilities.
 Quoting: _Obsidian_


Yep, some time ago I started a thread about that, just trying to connect some dots:

--> Thread: Did The French Concorde Plane Stop Flying? It's Because Of The Recent Athmosphere Modification?



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 Quoting: DUCM900



For awhile anyways until they restabilize? I had a dream years ago about that
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Got some new stuff, but now I'm going in bed, its 6 AM here lol.

Good night to you and all the good people.

breakthru


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It could be that it could also be our atmosphere or our sun getting brighter. I'm just taking a guess btw its worth looking into all possibilities.
 Quoting: _Obsidian_


Yep, some time ago I started a thread about that, just trying to connect some dots:

--> Thread: Did The French Concorde Plane Stop Flying? It's Because Of The Recent Athmosphere Modification?



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 Quoting: DUCM900



For awhile anyways until they restabilize? I had a dream years ago about that
 Quoting: _Obsidian_


Got some new stuff, but now I'm going in bed, its 6 AM here lol.

Good night to you and all the good people.

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Good night! I'm going to bed too. Time to give this thread a break for 8 or 9 hours haha That's a cool pic btw looks like a tarot card!
"Only one candle left to burn now, before the darkness comes"

"Happiness consumes itself like a flame. It cannot burn for ever, it must go out, and the presentiment of its end destroys it at its very peak."

"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of"
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Leaving this before I go. Honestly one of thr craziest videos I've seen besides the norway spriral. Thread: UFO Appears To Shoot Down Incoming Asteroids Over Mexico 21.12.2012 (Video)
"Only one candle left to burn now, before the darkness comes"

"Happiness consumes itself like a flame. It cannot burn for ever, it must go out, and the presentiment of its end destroys it at its very peak."

"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of"
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Alright, here's the results! On the 19th I recorded the sun shortly before sunset. At 4:27:00pm eastern time (21:27:00 UT), I disengaged the telescope's tracking system and allowed the earth's rotation to take over. Here's the image of the sun at the moment I disengaged the tracking:
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
1 hr 47 min 35 sec later (at 6:14:35pm eastern time, 23:14:35 UT) these stars passed through the field of view:
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
Overlaying these two images allowed me to compare the sun's detected position to its predicted position with Cartes du Ciel and indeed the sun is right where it should be:
[link to i319.photobucket.com]
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Here's the raw video:

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Notice how actual empirical evidence gets ignored.
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Notice how actual empirical evidence gets ignored.
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Greetings Dr. Astro, thank you for your data and input on the matter. I appreciate your mind for its scientific observations and points of view, however my experience finds this perspective disrespective to what is mans greatest scientific tool for discovery: his observations of perceptions of 10+ senses.

You have precise astronomic tools that can take fine measurements of the physical world around us...and these measurements represent the physical world around us represented as a number, a figure, a value of scientific meaning and measure - based on our understandings of truth of our knowledge on astronomy, physics, mathematics, etc...but what does it really mean? - Well, really only whatever meaning we've given to it based on the truths of the world that we have come to believe.

I do believe my knowledge of understanding is incomplete.

I am a scientist.

I make observations.

My tools are my senses, and I find their information meaningful respective to the truths that my understanding and knowledge are based upon.

Our senses allow us to discover. Without senses we would either have the knowledge of everything, or nothing @ all.

I have faith, trust, and belief to know what my body senses and what it tells me, and this I believe is a scientific tool with figures that have a lot more meaning....but only if what I believe is true.

Thank you again for you astronomical scientific input!
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We are ignoring the shills now. BTW tnx for bumping the thread.
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Does this mean that the earth's rotation is slowing down?
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Heck if I know.
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Notice how actual empirical evidence gets ignored.
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Greetings Dr. Astro, thank you for your data and input on the matter. I appreciate your mind for its scientific observations and points of view, however my experience finds this perspective disrespective to what is mans greatest scientific tool for discovery: his observations of perceptions of 10+ senses.

You have precise astronomic tools that can take fine measurements of the physical world around us...and these measurements represent the physical world around us represented as a number, a figure, a value of scientific meaning and measure - based on our understandings of truth of our knowledge on astronomy, physics, mathematics, etc...but what does it really mean? - Well, really only whatever meaning we've given to it based on the truths of the world that we have come to believe.

I do believe my knowledge of understanding is incomplete.

I am a scientist.

I make observations.

My tools are my senses, and I find their information meaningful respective to the truths that my understanding and knowledge are based upon.

Our senses allow us to discover. Without senses we would either have the knowledge of everything, or nothing @ all.

I have faith, trust, and belief to know what my body senses and what it tells me, and this I believe is a scientific tool with figures that have a lot more meaning....but only if what I believe is true.

Thank you again for you astronomical scientific input!
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I believe I've read Astro admitting he is an amateur at this. I've personally not decided if he's a shill as I don't read many of his posts, but he's not quite in your face. Perhaps there is a good cop/bad cop thing going on here. I'm sure he'll protest his innocence soon enough. He really posts a lot on here. [The search mechanism has been modified tho since someone was outed last week.]
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Notice how actual empirical evidence gets ignored.
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Greetings Dr. Astro, thank you for your data and input on the matter. I appreciate your mind for its scientific observations and points of view, however my experience finds this perspective disrespective to what is mans greatest scientific tool for discovery: his observations of perceptions of 10+ senses.

You have precise astronomic tools that can take fine measurements of the physical world around us...and these measurements represent the physical world around us represented as a number, a figure, a value of scientific meaning and measure - based on our understandings of truth of our knowledge on astronomy, physics, mathematics, etc...but what does it really mean? - Well, really only whatever meaning we've given to it based on the truths of the world that we have come to believe.

I do believe my knowledge of understanding is incomplete.

I am a scientist.

I make observations.

My tools are my senses, and I find their information meaningful respective to the truths that my understanding and knowledge are based upon.

Our senses allow us to discover. Without senses we would either have the knowledge of everything, or nothing @ all.

I have faith, trust, and belief to know what my body senses and what it tells me, and this I believe is a scientific tool with figures that have a lot more meaning....but only if what I believe is true.

Thank you again for you astronomical scientific input!
 Quoting: Lies & Alibis


Then again we have to be suspicious of everyone, especially those who claim superior training because they can, by defaulted trust in the system, sway many opinions.
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DAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANG
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Last shill is pretty obvious covering the useless astrodog ass with useless stuff & blablabla as well.

lick

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Hey shills of this thread. There are many threads that need your help right now me and DUC are in them. Show up so abunch of other people can see how fucking dumb you are.
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This must be a real happening place for them.
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Solar density is at .70 and falling?

[link to umtof.umd.edu]

Went from 9 to .70 in 4 hours.
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I'm sorry Da fuq but I don't know what this means.
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Seriously people, it's futile to argue or debate with the shills because they are intellectually dishonest, amongst other things. A discussion with them always degrades into a mud slinging contest. Their stance from the start usually betrays their intentions and they are trained to throw folks off. Just let them talk to each other and the wind.

Thanks. It will be good for us and for lurkers who visit this thread.

(yeah, I didn't take my own prescription. My bad.)
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Well, you really need to learn to just ignore these trolleries, or you always end up like what in threads like these, while them trolls get a boner about how you fall for their line over and over again. Be more clever than that.

Focus on topic, ignore the unkind.


I think that people who are truly interested in a topic should just TOTALLY ignore the detractors (once a thread is established as at least possibly "legitimate" that is -- and, IMO, I think the sun's lingering and/or unusual brightness IS a matter for continued conjecture and discussion until if and when the "weirdness" just goes away.

But, as far as "Red Giant" or "sun doom" by a certain date (which, BTW, I don't think will occur any time soon, it will either come to pass -- in which case, who cares who was right or who was wrong -- or it won't, in which case the detractors will have every right to gloat.

In the meantime, though, my opinion is that if you can't add anything worthwhile to this thread, just take your insults elsewhere. JMHO.
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Agree, agree. I think we can refocus and get back to reporting.

Blame yesterday on the solstice. ha.

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