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The Sun Was Supposed To Set At 4:41 Central Time In Missouri, 12/18 , Still Hasn't Set At 5:01

 
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Last shill is pretty obvious covering the useless astrodog ass with useless stuff & blablabla as well.

:lick:

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Yeah. I agree.
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if you are referring to me, i assure you i am no shill, i am stating an observation and a viewpoint-nothing more. you would be better served if you open yourself up to different ideas that may be contrary to what you are comfortable believing.
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I think DUK was referring to the guy who started throwing scientific sounding numbers around.
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Normally I just read post here. I came across this thread yesterday and found it very interesting because I had noticed the same thing happening. At a time when the daylight should be less until the winter solstice, I noticed last week it seemed the daylight was getting longer, if only by a couple of minutes but it was. So I paid attention last night. The sun set about 15 minutes later than what it should have AND the civil twilight lasted until 6:15 pm. Here is when it should have ended.

U.S. Naval Observatory
Astronomical Applications Department

Sun and Moon Data for One Day

The following information is provided for Atlanta, Georgia (longitude W84.4, latitude N33.8):

Wednesday
19 December 2012 Eastern Standard Time

SUN
Begin civil twilight 7:10 a.m.
Sunrise 7:38 a.m.
Sun transit 12:35 p.m.
Sunset 5:32 p.m.
End civil twilight 6:00 p.m.

The last of the sun dropped below the horizon at approx 5:47 pm.
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"the civil twilight lasted until 6:15 pm." Sorry? You determined that, how?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Uh, simple...do you even know the meaning of civil twilight you dweeb? if not then let me s'plain:
Civil twilight is defined to begin in the morning, and to end in the evening when the center of the Sun is geometrically 6 degrees below the horizon. This is the limit at which twilight illumination is sufficient, under good weather conditions, for terrestrial objects to be clearly distinguished; at the beginning of morning civil twilight, or end of evening civil twilight, the horizon is clearly defined and the brightest stars are visible under good atmospheric conditions in the absence of moonlight or other illumination. In the morning before the beginning of civil twilight and in the evening after the end of civil twilight, artificial illumination is normally required to carry on ordinary outdoor activities. And before you even say it, no, it was not the moon "illuminating" the sky. The sky was still light from the sun setting.
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You see all, this guy is a shill. Hostile from the get-go. They are easy to spot. A few others are little more discrete.
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Normally I just read post here. I came across this thread yesterday and found it very interesting because I had noticed the same thing happening. At a time when the daylight should be less until the winter solstice, I noticed last week it seemed the daylight was getting longer, if only by a couple of minutes but it was. So I paid attention last night. The sun set about 15 minutes later than what it should have AND the civil twilight lasted until 6:15 pm. Here is when it should have ended.

U.S. Naval Observatory
Astronomical Applications Department

Sun and Moon Data for One Day

The following information is provided for Atlanta, Georgia (longitude W84.4, latitude N33.8):

Wednesday
19 December 2012 Eastern Standard Time

SUN
Begin civil twilight 7:10 a.m.
Sunrise 7:38 a.m.
Sun transit 12:35 p.m.
Sunset 5:32 p.m.
End civil twilight 6:00 p.m.

The last of the sun dropped below the horizon at approx 5:47 pm.
 Quoting: WatcherJ


"the civil twilight lasted until 6:15 pm." Sorry? You determined that, how?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Uh, simple...do you even know the meaning of civil twilight you dweeb? if not then let me s'plain:
Civil twilight is defined to begin in the morning, and to end in the evening when the center of the Sun is geometrically 6 degrees below the horizon. This is the limit at which twilight illumination is sufficient, under good weather conditions, for terrestrial objects to be clearly distinguished; at the beginning of morning civil twilight, or end of evening civil twilight, the horizon is clearly defined and the brightest stars are visible under good atmospheric conditions in the absence of moonlight or other illumination. In the morning before the beginning of civil twilight and in the evening after the end of civil twilight, artificial illumination is normally required to carry on ordinary outdoor activities. And before you even say it, no, it was not the moon "illuminating" the sky. The sky was still light from the sun setting.
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You see all, this guy is a shill. Hostile from the get-go. They are easy to spot. A few others are little more discrete.
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How did you measure the sun's altitude below the horizon? I don't care of you could or couldn't distinguish objects, the defined end of civil twilight is a function of the sun's geometric altitude below the horizon regardless of how much ambient light is present. The latter is a function of atmospheric refraction and conditions.
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Notice how actual empirical evidence gets ignored.
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Greetings Dr. Astro, thank you for your data and input on the matter. I appreciate your mind for its scientific observations and points of view, however my experience finds this perspective disrespective to what is mans greatest scientific tool for discovery: his observations of perceptions of 10+ senses.

You have precise astronomic tools that can take fine measurements of the physical world around us...and these measurements represent the physical world around us represented as a number, a figure, a value of scientific meaning and measure - based on our understandings of truth of our knowledge on astronomy, physics, mathematics, etc...but what does it really mean? - Well, really only whatever meaning we've given to it based on the truths of the world that we have come to believe.

I do believe my knowledge of understanding is incomplete.

I am a scientist.

I make observations.

My tools are my senses, and I find their information meaningful respective to the truths that my understanding and knowledge are based upon.

Our senses allow us to discover. Without senses we would either have the knowledge of everything, or nothing @ all.

I have faith, trust, and belief to know what my body senses and what it tells me, and this I believe is a scientific tool with figures that have a lot more meaning....but only if what I believe is true.

Thank you again for you astronomical scientific input!
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Then again we have to be suspicious of everyone, especially those who claim superior training because they can, by defaulted trust in the system, sway many opinions.
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Then prove me wrong with actual empirical measurements. Thus far what you have demonstrated is a lack of understanding of astronomical phenomenon like civil twilight. Yes, I'm an amateur, that means I do it because I love doing it, not as my profession to make money. It does not imply a lack of skill, in fact serious amateur astronomers are highly skilled and make discoveries all the time.
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Normally I just read post here. I came across this thread yesterday and found it very interesting because I had noticed the same thing happening. At a time when the daylight should be less until the winter solstice, I noticed last week it seemed the daylight was getting longer, if only by a couple of minutes but it was. So I paid attention last night. The sun set about 15 minutes later than what it should have AND the civil twilight lasted until 6:15 pm. Here is when it should have ended.

U.S. Naval Observatory
Astronomical Applications Department

Sun and Moon Data for One Day

The following information is provided for Atlanta, Georgia (longitude W84.4, latitude N33.8):

Wednesday
19 December 2012 Eastern Standard Time

SUN
Begin civil twilight 7:10 a.m.
Sunrise 7:38 a.m.
Sun transit 12:35 p.m.
Sunset 5:32 p.m.
End civil twilight 6:00 p.m.

The last of the sun dropped below the horizon at approx 5:47 pm.
 Quoting: WatcherJ


"the civil twilight lasted until 6:15 pm." Sorry? You determined that, how?
 Quoting: Menow 18943200


Uh, simple...do you even know the meaning of civil twilight you dweeb? if not then let me s'plain:
Civil twilight is defined to begin in the morning, and to end in the evening when the center of the Sun is geometrically 6 degrees below the horizon. This is the limit at which twilight illumination is sufficient, under good weather conditions, for terrestrial objects to be clearly distinguished; at the beginning of morning civil twilight, or end of evening civil twilight, the horizon is clearly defined and the brightest stars are visible under good atmospheric conditions in the absence of moonlight or other illumination. In the morning before the beginning of civil twilight and in the evening after the end of civil twilight, artificial illumination is normally required to carry on ordinary outdoor activities. And before you even say it, no, it was not the moon "illuminating" the sky. The sky was still light from the sun setting.
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You see all, this guy is a shill. Hostile from the get-go. They are easy to spot. A few others are little more discrete.
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Actually, that poster is one of your "late sunset" people.
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Damn. A guy observes the sun rising farther in the north, during winter no less! That's very odd because the planet isn't even tilted.

A truly unusual phenomenon!


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Shill or Troll? (or uneducated)

SO I ask you: how many degrees the Sun can rise from the East ---> to the North in winter season?

Tell us the max in degrees.



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siren2 shill siren2

North = 0 Degree SO? How many degrees ?

no answer yet?



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 Quoting: DUCM900


Then virtually 0 degrees, because depending on your latitude and the time of year, the sun can only brush the northern horizon.
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Last shill is pretty obvious covering the useless astrodog ass with useless stuff & blablabla as well.

:lick:

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 Quoting: DUCM900


Yeah. I agree.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30218778


if you are referring to me, i assure you i am no shill, i am stating an observation and a viewpoint-nothing more. you would be better served if you open yourself up to different ideas that may be contrary to what you are comfortable believing.
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I think DUK was referring to the guy who started throwing scientific sounding numbers around.
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sorry----ty
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So I'm half way through this and you guys MUST see this ASAP. I watched it when it was first aired and it went in one ear and out the other but now I'm paying attention. Those who watch it please tell me what you think. I'd like to discuss it. I know some of you might say oh the History Channel they are full of it but seriously just watch this one.


[link to www.youtube.com]
"Only one candle left to burn now, before the darkness comes"

"Happiness consumes itself like a flame. It cannot burn for ever, it must go out, and the presentiment of its end destroys it at its very peak."

"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of"
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sun continues to rise and set exactly when it should in Ohio.

I must live in paradise.
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Driving home during and just after sunset..

I noticed the rosy sunset glow in my rear view..
Then I noticed a pink glow on the horizon.. 360 degrees of glow..

And, no.. I didn't take a picture..but I saw it.
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Driving home during and just after sunset..

I noticed the rosy sunset glow in my rear view..
Then I noticed a pink glow on the horizon.. 360 degrees of glow..

And, no.. I didn't take a picture..but I saw it.
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that's rather common going from one brightly lit area (city/town) to another.
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Driving home during and just after sunset..

I noticed the rosy sunset glow in my rear view..
Then I noticed a pink glow on the horizon.. 360 degrees of glow..

And, no.. I didn't take a picture..but I saw it.
 Quoting: Waterbug


that's rather common going from one brightly lit area (city/town) to another.
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Except that it was out in the county headed away from the city..
and it was still very daytime.. and I live in a rural area.
And I know the difference between what I saw and city-glow.
City-glow is not pink.. nor does it encompass 360 degrees of view.

I'm a hunter.
I've watched the sun come up and go down for over 50 years..
Prime hunting is just after can't see in the morning and just before can't see in the afternoon..
game animals move the most during those times.
I get into the woods before daylight to morning hunt...and out after dark on an afternoon hunt.

So.. I'm very aware of what that looks like... in all kinds of weather.
Hunting effectively means remaining motionless and scanning with your eyeballs.. for hours at a time.

I think I'll trust my eyes and experience on this, over a random claim from who knows who..
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I've always been laughing and shaking my head over the years at all of these people on GLP who claim the sun has been rising and setting at the wrong times. I figured they were morons/morans who just finally started paying attention to what is going on around them.

After today, well now I'm not so sure.

I've been working from home in the upstate NY area for the past 15 years, and I am definitely an early bird. I've very well aware at what time the sun rises in the winter, because at that time of year I have to draw the curtains because for the first hour or so the sun is directly in my eyes.

Tomorrow is the winter solstice, meaning the sun should rise the latest it will during the entire year. During the winter the sun does not begin peaking above the horizon from my office window until around 7:40. Imagine my surprise today that before 7:30 the sun was already completely above the horizon!

I'll have to check tomorrow to see if that is consistent or a one-day anomaly. Our area being known for cloudiness does not help for day-to-day observations. I just know that what I saw today does not match the norm for the past 14 winters at my house.




--from here----> Thread: Maybe This Sun Rising/Setting At Wrong Time Isn't So Wacky



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You guys please please please watch that video it covers some of the things we've been talking about and it made sense to me I know its long at an hour and a half but its worth it. So much is covered in the first 30 minutes alone.


hf
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"Happiness consumes itself like a flame. It cannot burn for ever, it must go out, and the presentiment of its end destroys it at its very peak."

"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of"
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So I'm half way through this and you guys MUST see this ASAP. I watched it when it was first aired and it went in one ear and out the other but now I'm paying attention. Those who watch it please tell me what you think. I'd like to discuss it. I know some of you might say oh the History Channel they are full of it but seriously just watch this one.


[link to www.youtube.com]
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i will watch just cannot right now, thanks for sharing
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Driving home during and just after sunset..

I noticed the rosy sunset glow in my rear view..
Then I noticed a pink glow on the horizon.. 360 degrees of glow..

And, no.. I didn't take a picture..but I saw it.
 Quoting: Waterbug


that's rather common going from one brightly lit area (city/town) to another.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 6476436


Except that it was out in the county headed away from the city..
and it was still very daytime.. and I live in a rural area.
And I know the difference between what I saw and city-glow.
City-glow is not pink.. nor does it encompass 360 degrees of view.

I'm a hunter.
I've watched the sun come up and go down for over 50 years..
Prime hunting is just after can't see in the morning and just before can't see in the afternoon..
game animals move the most during those times.
I get into the woods before daylight to morning hunt...and out after dark on an afternoon hunt.

So.. I'm very aware of what that looks like... in all kinds of weather.
Hunting effectively means remaining motionless and scanning with your eyeballs.. for hours at a time.

I think I'll trust my eyes and experience on this, over a random claim from who knows who..
 Quoting: Waterbug


rockon thank you, you are the kind of person I will listen too over these people who spew a bunch of mumbo-jumbo. You KNOW what is the norm because you are living closer to nature, out in it and it is not only a sense it is like "WOW" this is NOT RIGHT type of in your face. Thanks for sharing
aka urkidding & NobodysFriend
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So I'm half way through this and you guys MUST see this ASAP. I watched it when it was first aired and it went in one ear and out the other but now I'm paying attention. Those who watch it please tell me what you think. I'd like to discuss it. I know some of you might say oh the History Channel they are full of it but seriously just watch this one.


[link to www.youtube.com]
 Quoting: _Obsidian_


i will watch just cannot right now, thanks for sharing
 Quoting: IwasKidding


Thank you sorry to be so insistent I was just desperate for answers and I was excited to find something that explained a lot to me! :-)


hf
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"Happiness consumes itself like a flame. It cannot burn for ever, it must go out, and the presentiment of its end destroys it at its very peak."

"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of"
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You guys please please please watch that video it covers some of the things we've been talking about and it made sense to me I know its long at an hour and a half but its worth it. So much is covered in the first 30 minutes alone.


hf
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I'll get to it when I can Obsidian. I've gotta go to the store for Christmas dinner and wrap up the Christmas shopping.
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This was from last summer

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You guys please please please watch that video it covers some of the things we've been talking about and it made sense to me I know its long at an hour and a half but its worth it. So much is covered in the first 30 minutes alone.


hf
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I'll get to it when I can Obsidian. I've gotta go to the store for Christmas dinner and wrap up the Christmas shopping.
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Ok cool!! I hope you have a nice holiday op! The rest of you guys too!! hf
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"But what is Hope? Nothing but the paint on the face of Existence; the least touch of truth rubs it off, and then we see what a hollow-cheeked harlot we have got hold of"

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