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The events in Revelations have already happened

 
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"The ten horns are commonly explained as the vassal rulers under the supremacy of Rome. They are described as kings (basileis), here to be taken in a wider sense, that they are not real kings, but received power to rule with the beast. Their power, moreover, is but for one hour, signifying its short duration and instability (17:17). The Seer has marked the beast with the number 666. His purpose was that by this number people may know it. He that has understanding, let him count the number of the beast. For it is the number of a man: and his number is six hundred and sixty-six. A human number, i.e. intelligible by the common rules of investigation. We have here an instance of Jewish gematria. Its object is to conceal a name by substituting for it a cipher of equal numerical value to the letters composing it. For a long time interpreters tried to decipher the number 666 by means of the Greek alphabet, e.g. Irenæus, Against Heresies V.33. Their efforts have yielded no satisfactory result. Better success has been obtained by using the Hebrew alphabet. Many scholars have come to the conclusion that Nero is meant. For when the name "Nero Caesar" is spelled with Hebrew letters, it yields the cipher 666."


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is that something else u copy and pasted or was it your own words ???,sorry but i av to ask
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QUESTION: o that means if you use money , you already have accepted the 'the mark of the beast'??
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ANSWER:((from Jesus on GLP)):Those who have their hearts set upon money and riches already have accepted the mark, they have sold themselves to the Beast System in Spirit. Those with great wealth are marked, for they have neglected the poor, needy and afflicted and will be held accountable for that which they have. Some say I have given great donations to the poor but Woe unto them for hundreds of thousands to millions and billions to some still have. Woe unto the people of earth who have neglected those in need around the world and allowed them to suffer and starve to death everyday. The sword of Justice shall fall upon thee because thou has deprived the needy and turned away the sick. Babylon the world has fallen; and the cup of thine greed and pride shall fall; and GREAT shall be the fall of it. Behold I say unto you that in this year the time is coming when people shall cry upon their rooftops and great howling and mourning shall come upon the world. Be ye wise and prepared and have oil left in thine lamp that thou may stand clean, pray for mercy and forgiveness to your Father in Heaven in the name of Christ because all fall short to the stature of the one with a mighty rod in His hand to save.
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If ye say in your hearts that ye are willing to give up everything if necessary and walk away and completely disattach yourselves from the materialistic things of the world then you are wise and have sold not yourself to the beast. But one who has their heart set in the right place must also act upon that which he believes in. Depart your donations and offerings to the sick, poor and needy to the best of your ability. The heart is what is being looked upon at this time by the Heavens and they shall be just and fair if you are just and fair. That which ye have given unto the sick, needy and afflicted shall count and come back upon you as a blessing in that great time of need. But Woe unto those who have not departed their share to the sick, needy and afflicted for they shall reap what they sow when that day arrives.
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he Mark is a Spiritual Mark, the adversary is extremely cunning and people choose to sell themselves out for success, fame, riches and money. The spiritual mark of the beast is being applied to those who have their hearts set upon their own possessions, riches, inheritances and materialistic worldly things. Those who have taken everything for granted and have forgotten their Creator God who gives Life and Light unto the world and all resources ultimately come from the Creator God of Good and all of Creation.

People are taking hand and forehead literal when it should be taken in thought, mind and action.

Many have sold themselves out in Spirit; and their foreheads, thoughts and minds are set upon their success, money, wealth, popularity and worldly possessions.

The action of the hand is that of buying and selling, this does not mean everyone who uses money has a spiritual mark of the beast, for many live in the world run by the Beast System of Babylon but they pay homage to their Creator God and do not forget who giveth all things unto them. They are not setting their hearts upon riches and worldly possessions and they give pray and thankfulness to the Creator God in humility and sincerity for what they do have.

Many must live in the world just as Christ lived in the world but Christ instructed everyone to never set their hearts upon riches and when He used the coins for trade He of course never had His heart set upon such things. The spiritual mark is for those who have CHOSEN the Mark of the Beast which is a Spiritual Mark without them even realizing it by setting their hearts upon the riches of the world and their own success, wealth, popularity and worldly possessions of mammon.

Do you not see how cunning the adversary and Beast System is? Many are waiting literally for an Anti-Christ to show up and force them to receive a mark in their foreheads and hands but the mark of the beast has been here all along and many are being marked spiritually without them even knowing or realizing it. Of course the trade of money has been around for thousands of years, many have sold themselves out along the way side but in this day and age even moreso. The money nowadays will have direct marks of the Beast embedded literally in the bills unlike any other time before in history.

Let's open up the revelation

Revelation 13:4

And they worshiped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshiped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast?

The worshiping of the beast is the loving of money and worldly possessions and setting your hearts upon money. The Beast even Satan has power over the empires and kingdoms of the world.

Revelation 13:7

And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

The mark of the beast is money that has power over all kindreds, tongues and nations. The one behind the world is the beast even Satan and the empire of the dragon who seeks to mark everyone who will set their hearts upon riches and money.

Mathew 4:8-10

Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and showeth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt fall down and worship me.
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

The above shows you who owns and runs the empires and kingdoms of Babylon the world and the beast monetary system.

In God we Trust.
On nation Under God.

The truth of the matter is that the Creator of all things seen in the universe even God our Father in Heaven is not the God being worshiped on the dollar bill. Satan desires to be your God and has put himself in a position to be worshiped as the God of the world at present; and has power over all kingdoms, governments and empires that even the elite and very elect have fallen for and bought into. Satan the Devil even that old Serpent who runs the Draconian Empire has become many people's God; for all those who set their hearts upon wealth, success, pride, vanity, popularity and the riches of money, those who CHOOSE to take upon them the Mark of The Beast in Spirit.

People are taking hand and forehead literal when it should be taken in thought, mind and action that effects the Spirit.

Revelation 13:8-9
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him,

All of mankind has set their hearts upon worldly possessions and money on one level or another due to them being part of the earthly beast system of mammon. Everything revolves around money and without it no man, woman or child can live. Even those who are living off the system/grid needed money to initially get off the grid and grow their own food. The system is setup and designed this way by the Beast which represents the kingdom of Satan and his Dragon Empire which represents the Draconian Empire. Yes even those very beings people have legitimately had encounters with that consider them to be Reptilians; the Demons of this world behind the scenes in disguise. Grey aliens are a part of this but it gets complex and this is all I should reveal on this subject for now.

If any man have an ear, let him hear.

He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword.

Has money led people into slavery and captivity?

Is money responsible for the killing and death of many?

Has money forced people into sex trade slavery to sell themselves for money to survive?

Has money forced people in the world to lie, steal and take advantage of another in order to survive?

Many say that money is the root of all evil, it is the weed that chokes the plant of good.
Satan even the one who runs the empire of the Beast is extremely cunning and has planted all kinds of traps with weeds and thorns to choke people to death in spirit. People are being spiritually marked in many more ways than can be imagined.

When I say get rid of your entertainment systems I am not referring to computers that are used to access information like libraries, but things that have subliminally conditioned your minds, online games, pornography, certain television programs, political arguments and debates, orchestrated media, and the music/entertainment industry; and whatever else is effecting your spirit in ways that you see or know not. In wisdom should people choose what they watch and get involved with and stay away from the subliminally conditioning entertainment arenas that also want to put a mark upon you if you become obsessed, addicted and set your hearts upon them.

People are taking hand and forehead literal when it should be taken in thought, mind and action.

If any man have an ear, let him hear; the first beast will fall and collapse and then comes another.

Revelation 13:11-13

And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

The world beast system of money will collapse and be healed. It will be replaced with a new system of trade and the power of the first beast's deadly wound of collapsing and falling once fallen will eventually be healed. This is an orchestrated event that will usher into a new world order beast system with a new way of living and trading.

“And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,”

The Beast which is Satan; behind the world Beast System and it's marks, which are the many currencies of money and other clever cunning ways to mark a persons spirit/soul for those who choose to sell themselves out to the Beast System and spiritually mark themselves and seal themselves to the beast by choosing Mammon and the world that blinds them over God and their Creator.

Satan himself with his Empire shall make fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. UFO phenomenon and greater things than what have been sighted are coming like never before seen with the Draconian Empire of the Beast which are Demons to fool the world in disguise and shall be in their midst and they shall know them not. Satan even the Dragon that old serpent; the Master of Disguise and Deception shall be in their midst and the world shall know him not.

Revelation 13:14

And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 13:15-17

“And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast,”

The deadly wound will be healed of the world trade system collapsing that was orchestrated by the Beast even Satan himself.

The Dragon even Satan himself that old Serpent desireth that all shall suffer in the collapse of the world trade system and take up arms against each other. He desireth fighting, chaos, rioting, destruction and for people's to turn even more cold hearted.

“that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.”

The image of the Beast is the Love of the world and of money and of Satans kingdom, those who are full of greed, pride, vanity and the love of money, fame, success, wealth and those who love to put themselves above another and be treated as kings and queens in pride, vanity, arrogance and boastfulness.
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i know its a lot to read but its worth readin
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Revelation 13:11-13

And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

The world beast system of money will collapse and be healed. It will be replaced with a new system of trade and the power of the first beast's deadly wound of collapsing and falling once fallen will eventually be healed. This is an orchestrated event that will usher into a new world order beast system with a new way of living and trading.
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Revelation 13:8-9
And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him,

All of mankind has set their hearts upon worldly possessions and money on one level or another due to them being part of the earthly beast system of mammon. Everything revolves around money and without it no man, woman or child can live. Even those who are living off the system/grid needed money to initially get off the grid and grow their own food. The system is setup and designed this way by the Beast which represents the kingdom of Satan and his Dragon Empire which represents the Draconian Empire. Yes even those very beings people have legitimately had encounters with that consider them to be Reptilians; the Demons of this world behind the scenes in disguise. Grey aliens are a part of this but it gets complex and this is all I should reveal on this subject for now.

If any man have an ear, let him hear.
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Revelation 13:15-17

“And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast,”

The deadly wound will be healed of the world trade system collapsing that was orchestrated by the Beast even Satan himself.

The Dragon even Satan himself that old Serpent desireth that all shall suffer in the collapse of the world trade system and take up arms against each other. He desireth fighting, chaos, rioting, destruction and for people's to turn even more cold hearted.

“that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.”

The image of the Beast is the Love of the world and of money and of Satans kingdom, those who are full of greed, pride, vanity and the love of money, fame, success, wealth and those who love to put themselves above another and be treated as kings and queens in pride, vanity, arrogance and boastfulness.
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The bible clearly tells you who Babylon is.
The book to which you refer is Revelation not Revelations. There are many anti-Christs.
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The bible clearly tells you who Babylon is.
The book to which you refer is Revelation not Revelations. There are many anti-Christs.
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Babylon will fall in one hour
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Babylon is planet earth
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is it sum ting i said
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thread killer srikes AGAIN
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"The ten horns are commonly explained as the vassal rulers under the supremacy of Rome. They are described as kings (basileis), here to be taken in a wider sense, that they are not real kings, but received power to rule with the beast. Their power, moreover, is but for one hour, signifying its short duration and instability (17:17). The Seer has marked the beast with the number 666. His purpose was that by this number people may know it. He that has understanding, let him count the number of the beast. For it is the number of a man: and his number is six hundred and sixty-six. A human number, i.e. intelligible by the common rules of investigation. We have here an instance of Jewish gematria. Its object is to conceal a name by substituting for it a cipher of equal numerical value to the letters composing it. For a long time interpreters tried to decipher the number 666 by means of the Greek alphabet, e.g. Irenæus, Against Heresies V.33. Their efforts have yielded no satisfactory result. Better success has been obtained by using the Hebrew alphabet. Many scholars have come to the conclusion that Nero is meant. For when the name "Nero Caesar" is spelled with Hebrew letters, it yields the cipher 666."


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is that something else u copy and pasted or was it your own words ???,sorry but i av to ask
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When it's in quatation marks "
it's from the Catholic Encyclopedia, from where I got this interpretation of Revelation, that explains how much of what is described has already happened.

Like I've said, it makes sense to me, but I know you are waiting to see it happen in the near future.

I've met and spoken to many Apocalypse enthusiasts, and their focus on this one chapter of the Bible causes them to ignore the rest, and often the most important message.
They are so anxious to avoid contamination by a mark, and to look for the date that ends the world, in an effort to save themselves, that they fall into the error of thinking this is what a Christian life is meant to be about.

The guy you call God, on GLP, seems to now be saying also, that the mark is more of a spiritual one.
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The guy you call God, on GLP, seems to now be saying also, that the mark is more of a spiritual one.
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You might of forgot these words also in the above statement off GLP guy
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"The action of the hand is that of buying and selling, this does not mean everyone who uses money has a spiritual mark of the beast, for many live in the world run by the Beast System of Babylon but they pay homage to their Creator God and do not forget who giveth all things unto them. They are not setting their hearts upon riches and worldly possessions and they give pray and thankfulness to the Creator God in humility and sincerity for what they do have."
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yes of course its spiritual as well but we will see a time when it becomes physical mark ie RFID chip,and why will people get be-headed if its only a poxxy chip,oh and by the way its North Korea that hasn`t got rockafella banking,so keep ya eye on North Korea,yesteday i heard North Korea now has missiles that can reach usa
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The wars are not over oil,but over gettin rockafella baking in that country and eventually ALL countrys,as we are seein NOW,Syria gettin lined up for rockafella bankin Iraq now has rockafella bankin.........
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Yes but he also said this
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”Instead, ask of yourself what marks have you taken.”

Ask yourselves what characteristics have you taken?

Are they characteristics of Christ or characteristics of an Anti-Christ?

”this mark of the beast, is this: It is a device of men, created by man, to save those who are lost so they may be found. The evil one will require this chip, to be implanted under the skin of the right hand or in their foreheads. “

The new world order mark of the beast system will exceriseth all the power and control over the world of the first beast monetary system and cause all on earth to worship through control of needing it to buy, sell, trade and live.

The new world order mark of the beast which is suggested being an RFID chip is on that list of possibilities. The new world order when ushered will change the way of life, society and the laws of the land completely. Many will disagree and reject the new world order system while others will happily buy into it and be rewarded by that which they love, the luxuries and worldly possessions/reward that comes along with it if they accept the new mark and new world order system.
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Yes but he also said this
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”Instead, ask of yourself what marks have you taken.”

Ask yourselves what characteristics have you taken?

Are they characteristics of Christ or characteristics of an Anti-Christ?

”this mark of the beast, is this: It is a device of men, created by man, to save those who are lost so they may be found. The evil one will require this chip, to be implanted under the skin of the right hand or in their foreheads.

The new world order mark of the beast system will exceriseth all the power and control over the world of the first beast monetary system and cause all on earth to worship through control of needing it to buy, sell, trade and live.

The new world order mark of the beast which is suggested being an RFID chip is on that list of possibilities. The new world order when ushered will change the way of life, society and the laws of the land completely. Many will disagree and reject the new world order system while others will happily buy into it and be rewarded by that which they love, the luxuries and worldly possessions/reward that comes along with it if they accept the new mark and new world order system.
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Says who, exactly, and why this interpretation?

If there is one things my years of conspiracy forums has taught me, it is to question, and I'm suspicious of anyone who claims to be a prophet, and this guy is,
more than that, he is claiming to be God.

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I don't believe him.
I would rather stake my spiritual and physical future on a church, sanctioned by God to guard the truth - the so far discovered truth - and be a part of the spiritual body of Christ, which is the church, than flounder about in a sea of false certainties and with no sacraments to sustain me.

I am very suspicious when anyone tries to impart a political message also...about their motives, and to me this guy's theories about the new world are completely opposite to what I believe will happen.
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Yes but he also said this
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”Instead, ask of yourself what marks have you taken.”

Ask yourselves what characteristics have you taken?

Are they characteristics of Christ or characteristics of an Anti-Christ?

”this mark of the beast, is this: It is a device of men, created by man, to save those who are lost so they may be found. The evil one will require this chip, to be implanted under the skin of the right hand or in their foreheads.

The new world order mark of the beast system will exceriseth all the power and control over the world of the first beast monetary system and cause all on earth to worship through control of needing it to buy, sell, trade and live.

The new world order mark of the beast which is suggested being an RFID chip is on that list of possibilities. The new world order when ushered will change the way of life, society and the laws of the land completely. Many will disagree and reject the new world order system while others will happily buy into it and be rewarded by that which they love, the luxuries and worldly possessions/reward that comes along with it if they accept the new mark and new world order system.
 Quoting: paul 30777627



Says who, exactly, and why this interpretation?

If there is one things my years of conspiracy forums has taught me, it is to question, and I'm suspicious of anyone who claims to be a prophet, and this guy is,
more than that, he is claiming to be God.

!

I don't believe him.
I would rather stake my spiritual and physical future on a church, sanctioned by God to guard the truth - the so far discovered truth - and be a part of the spiritual body of Christ, which is the church, than flounder about in a sea of false certainties and with no sacraments to sustain me.

I am very suspicious when anyone tries to impart a political message also...about their motives, and to me this guy's theories about the new world are completely opposite to what I believe will happen.
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hey cool i,m just glad u at least now have a idea of whats coming in our life time and i,m sure i,ll be chattin on thread killer as it happens,cause thats how i roll,talkin of killin threads,this ones mine yer (cheers)
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"The seven heads of the beast are seven emperors. Five of them the Seer says are fallen. They are Augustus Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero. The year of Nero's death is A.D. 68. The Seer goes on to say "One is", namely Vespasian, A.D. 70-79. He is the sixth emperor. The seventh, we are told by the Seer, "is not yet come. But when he comes his reign will be short". Titus is meant, who reigned but two years (79-81). The eighth emperor is Domitian (81-96). Of him the Seer has something very peculiar to say. He is identified with the beast. He is described as the one that "was and is not and shall come up out of the bottomless pit" (17:8). In verse 11 it is added: "And the beast which was and is not: the same also is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into destruction"."
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very plausible.
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"All this sounds like oracular language. But the clue to its solution is furnished by a popular belief largely spread at the time. The death of Nero had been witnessed by few. Chiefly in the East a notion had taken hold of the mind of the people that Nero was still alive. Gentiles, Jews, and Christians were under the illusion that he was hiding himself, and as was commonly thought, he had gone over to the Parthians, the most troublesome foes of the empire. From there they expected him to return at the head of a mighty army to avenge himself on his enemies. The existence of this fanciful belief is a well-attested historic fact. Tacitus speaks of it: "Achaia atque Asia falso exterrit velut Nero adventaret, vario super ejus exitu rumore eoque pluribus vivere eum fingentibus credentibusque" (Hist., II, 8). So also Dio Chrysostomus: kai nyn (about A.D. 100) eti pantes epithymousi zen oi de pleistoi kai oiontai (Orat., 21, 10; cf. Suetonius, "Vit. Caes."; s.v. NERO and the SIBYLINE ORACLES). Thus the contemporaries of the Seer believed Nero to be alive and expected his return. The Seer either shared their belief or utilized it for his own purpose."
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More than probable since the most well known seer of the time Apollonius wrote this. He even said that the beast is Nero in other writings.
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"The seven heads of the beast are seven emperors. Five of them the Seer says are fallen. They are Augustus Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero. The year of Nero's death is A.D. 68. The Seer goes on to say "One is", namely Vespasian, A.D. 70-79. He is the sixth emperor. The seventh, we are told by the Seer, "is not yet come. But when he comes his reign will be short". Titus is meant, who reigned but two years (79-81). The eighth emperor is Domitian (81-96). Of him the Seer has something very peculiar to say. He is identified with the beast. He is described as the one that "was and is not and shall come up out of the bottomless pit" (17:8). In verse 11 it is added: "And the beast which was and is not: the same also is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into destruction"."
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very plausible.
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rockon


"All this sounds like oracular language. But the clue to its solution is furnished by a popular belief largely spread at the time. The death of Nero had been witnessed by few. Chiefly in the East a notion had taken hold of the mind of the people that Nero was still alive. Gentiles, Jews, and Christians were under the illusion that he was hiding himself, and as was commonly thought, he had gone over to the Parthians, the most troublesome foes of the empire. From there they expected him to return at the head of a mighty army to avenge himself on his enemies. The existence of this fanciful belief is a well-attested historic fact. Tacitus speaks of it: "Achaia atque Asia falso exterrit velut Nero adventaret, vario super ejus exitu rumore eoque pluribus vivere eum fingentibus credentibusque" (Hist., II, 8). So also Dio Chrysostomus: kai nyn (about A.D. 100) eti pantes epithymousi zen oi de pleistoi kai oiontai (Orat., 21, 10; cf. Suetonius, "Vit. Caes."; s.v. NERO and the SIBYLINE ORACLES). Thus the contemporaries of the Seer believed Nero to be alive and expected his return. The Seer either shared their belief or utilized it for his own purpose."
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More than probable since the most well known seer of the time Apollonius wrote this. He even said that the beast is Nero in other writings.
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Yep, it makes sense to me.

I find myself amazed yet again, how fear creeps in and corrupts the human heart, all this watching for beasts and plaques and slavery, and then how so often, reason with its cool clarity blows away the pile of sludge like it is a fluff-ball - when we use our intelligence well, we are probably closer to God than we realize.


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very plausible.
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rockon


"All this sounds like oracular language. But the clue to its solution is furnished by a popular belief largely spread at the time. The death of Nero had been witnessed by few. Chiefly in the East a notion had taken hold of the mind of the people that Nero was still alive. Gentiles, Jews, and Christians were under the illusion that he was hiding himself, and as was commonly thought, he had gone over to the Parthians, the most troublesome foes of the empire. From there they expected him to return at the head of a mighty army to avenge himself on his enemies. The existence of this fanciful belief is a well-attested historic fact. Tacitus speaks of it: "Achaia atque Asia falso exterrit velut Nero adventaret, vario super ejus exitu rumore eoque pluribus vivere eum fingentibus credentibusque" (Hist., II, 8). So also Dio Chrysostomus: kai nyn (about A.D. 100) eti pantes epithymousi zen oi de pleistoi kai oiontai (Orat., 21, 10; cf. Suetonius, "Vit. Caes."; s.v. NERO and the SIBYLINE ORACLES). Thus the contemporaries of the Seer believed Nero to be alive and expected his return. The Seer either shared their belief or utilized it for his own purpose."


More than probable since the most well known seer of the time Apollonius wrote this. He even said that the beast is Nero in other writings.



Yep, it makes sense to me.

I find myself amazed yet again, how fear creeps in and corrupts the human heart, all this watching for beasts and plaques and slavery, and then how so often, reason with its cool clarity blows away the pile of sludge like it is a fluff-ball - when we use our intelligence well, we are probably closer to God than we realize.


peace


just gonna av 2 c if this fluff-ball you talk of is gonna help ya when ya need it :(
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"The seven heads of the beast are seven emperors. Five of them the Seer says are fallen. They are Augustus Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero. The year of Nero's death is A.D. 68. The Seer goes on to say "One is", namely Vespasian, A.D. 70-79. He is the sixth emperor. The seventh, we are told by the Seer, "is not yet come. But when he comes his reign will be short". Titus is meant, who reigned but two years (79-81). The eighth emperor is Domitian (81-96). Of him the Seer has something very peculiar to say. He is identified with the beast. He is described as the one that "was and is not and shall come up out of the bottomless pit" (17:8). In verse 11 it is added: "And the beast which was and is not: the same also is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into destruction"."
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seven heads of the beast

are the G7
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"All this sounds like oracular language. But the clue to its solution is furnished by a popular belief largely spread at the time. The death of Nero had been witnessed by few. Chiefly in the East a notion had taken hold of the mind of the people that Nero was still alive. Gentiles, Jews, and Christians were under the illusion that he was hiding himself, and as was commonly thought, he had gone over to the Parthians, the most troublesome foes of the empire. From there they expected him to return at the head of a mighty army to avenge himself on his enemies. The existence of this fanciful belief is a well-attested historic fact. Tacitus speaks of it: "Achaia atque Asia falso exterrit velut Nero adventaret, vario super ejus exitu rumore eoque pluribus vivere eum fingentibus credentibusque" (Hist., II, 8). So also Dio Chrysostomus: kai nyn (about A.D. 100) eti pantes epithymousi zen oi de pleistoi kai oiontai (Orat., 21, 10; cf. Suetonius, "Vit. Caes."; s.v. NERO and the SIBYLINE ORACLES). Thus the contemporaries of the Seer believed Nero to be alive and expected his return. The Seer either shared their belief or utilized it for his own purpose."
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More than probable since the most well known seer of the time Apollonius wrote this. He even said that the beast is Nero in other writings.
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Yep, it makes sense to me.

I find myself amazed yet again, how fear creeps in and corrupts the human heart, all this watching for beasts and plaques and slavery, and then how so often, reason with its cool clarity blows away the pile of sludge like it is a fluff-ball - when we use our intelligence well, we are probably closer to God than we realize.


peace
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just gonna av 2 c if this fluff-ball you talk of is gonna help ya when ya need it :(
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Oh don't worry, when a real threat appears, I can trust my survival instincts to do what they do best :)
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"The seven heads of the beast are seven emperors. Five of them the Seer says are fallen. They are Augustus Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero. The year of Nero's death is A.D. 68. The Seer goes on to say "One is", namely Vespasian, A.D. 70-79. He is the sixth emperor. The seventh, we are told by the Seer, "is not yet come. But when he comes his reign will be short". Titus is meant, who reigned but two years (79-81). The eighth emperor is Domitian (81-96). Of him the Seer has something very peculiar to say. He is identified with the beast. He is described as the one that "was and is not and shall come up out of the bottomless pit" (17:8). In verse 11 it is added: "And the beast which was and is not: the same also is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into destruction"."
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seven heads of the beast

are the G7
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only problem there is its now called G8
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NEXT
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"The seven heads of the beast are seven emperors. Five of them the Seer says are fallen. They are Augustus Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero. The year of Nero's death is A.D. 68. The Seer goes on to say "One is", namely Vespasian, A.D. 70-79. He is the sixth emperor. The seventh, we are told by the Seer, "is not yet come. But when he comes his reign will be short". Titus is meant, who reigned but two years (79-81). The eighth emperor is Domitian (81-96). Of him the Seer has something very peculiar to say. He is identified with the beast. He is described as the one that "was and is not and shall come up out of the bottomless pit" (17:8). In verse 11 it is added: "And the beast which was and is not: the same also is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into destruction"."
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seven heads of the beast

are the G7
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Now G20 and probably growing.

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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More than probable since the most well known seer of the time Apollonius wrote this. He even said that the beast is Nero in other writings.
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Yep, it makes sense to me.

I find myself amazed yet again, how fear creeps in and corrupts the human heart, all this watching for beasts and plaques and slavery, and then how so often, reason with its cool clarity blows away the pile of sludge like it is a fluff-ball - when we use our intelligence well, we are probably closer to God than we realize.


peace


just gonna av 2 c if this fluff-ball you talk of is gonna help ya when ya need it :(



Oh don't worry, when a real threat appears, I can trust my survival instincts to do what they do best :)


thats good lets hope part of that survival plan is rejectin d 666 mark,cause
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IT A COME
(a line fronm the film "predator 2")
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"The seven heads of the beast are seven emperors. Five of them the Seer says are fallen. They are Augustus Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius, and Nero. The year of Nero's death is A.D. 68. The Seer goes on to say "One is", namely Vespasian, A.D. 70-79. He is the sixth emperor. The seventh, we are told by the Seer, "is not yet come. But when he comes his reign will be short". Titus is meant, who reigned but two years (79-81). The eighth emperor is Domitian (81-96). Of him the Seer has something very peculiar to say. He is identified with the beast. He is described as the one that "was and is not and shall come up out of the bottomless pit" (17:8). In verse 11 it is added: "And the beast which was and is not: the same also is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into destruction"."
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seven heads of the beast

are the G7
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only problem there is its now called G8
.
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NEXT
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8 The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.


The European Union is represented within the G8 but cannot host or chair summits
this is the beast that was and is not

the european union will ascend out of the boytomless pit
2nd world war

when they see the beast that was and is not and yet is

european union was part of the g7 and is not able to host or chair summits but is part of the g8
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I will, but have to go now, I'm familiar with your gnostic interpretation, and its nice to contemplate, in a spiritual sense, but too fairy-tale like to take seriously as the truth.

Thanks for airing it though

hf
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(:

Thanks! Sorry for inserting it too abruptly! I do believe it adds up though tounge

hmm About the hour that no one knows.. we have to be sure if it applies. And nevertheless the very Bible depicts the signs when the time is near, and we have seen some of these signs..

No one knows the exact time, but maybe the hints are around just waiting to be catched!

Btw, if we take Jesus Christ as a Sun God, the facts about 2012 also adds up, being the end of the cycle and considering the relations of our sun with other important stars of the galaxy!

I believe the second coming should be something in many layers, and it would affect all mankind!
Well, one can only hope. tounge
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I just can't see it (the second coming) coinciding neatly with predictions...
not nearly sneaky enough,
though with so much attention to a date like today's, maybe a revolution of belief for a new world could begin...
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not only a new world will begin,but also a new heaven Revelation chapter21,verse1 = All Things Made New

21 Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth, for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away. Also there was no more sea
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The second coming can only happen when the season is right,season means when other prophecies have happened first.
Our Lord is a mathamatical genius,as we will see in our life time or as the bible says "This generation"
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putin
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If a tree falls in the woods, and there is no one around to hear it, does it still make a sound?
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very plausible.
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"All this sounds like oracular language. But the clue to its solution is furnished by a popular belief largely spread at the time. The death of Nero had been witnessed by few. Chiefly in the East a notion had taken hold of the mind of the people that Nero was still alive. Gentiles, Jews, and Christians were under the illusion that he was hiding himself, and as was commonly thought, he had gone over to the Parthians, the most troublesome foes of the empire. From there they expected him to return at the head of a mighty army to avenge himself on his enemies. The existence of this fanciful belief is a well-attested historic fact. Tacitus speaks of it: "Achaia atque Asia falso exterrit velut Nero adventaret, vario super ejus exitu rumore eoque pluribus vivere eum fingentibus credentibusque" (Hist., II, 8). So also Dio Chrysostomus: kai nyn (about A.D. 100) eti pantes epithymousi zen oi de pleistoi kai oiontai (Orat., 21, 10; cf. Suetonius, "Vit. Caes."; s.v. NERO and the SIBYLINE ORACLES). Thus the contemporaries of the Seer believed Nero to be alive and expected his return. The Seer either shared their belief or utilized it for his own purpose."


More than probable since the most well known seer of the time Apollonius wrote this. He even said that the beast is Nero in other writings.



Yep, it makes sense to me.

I find myself amazed yet again, how fear creeps in and corrupts the human heart, all this watching for beasts and plaques and slavery, and then how so often, reason with its cool clarity blows away the pile of sludge like it is a fluff-ball - when we use our intelligence well, we are probably closer to God than we realize.


peace


i said "Don`t be scared,be prepared for d worst",talkin of slavery,it use to be iron chains,nowadays its gold chains
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hiding
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no man knows when the end is coming.for there is no date given for it
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Did the two witnesses get murdered by the antichrist?

How can there be so many nobody threads.....if the revelations has already started?
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"All this sounds like oracular language. But the clue to its solution is furnished by a popular belief largely spread at the time. The death of Nero had been witnessed by few. Chiefly in the East a notion had taken hold of the mind of the people that Nero was still alive. Gentiles, Jews, and Christians were under the illusion that he was hiding himself, and as was commonly thought, he had gone over to the Parthians, the most troublesome foes of the empire. From there they expected him to return at the head of a mighty army to avenge himself on his enemies. The existence of this fanciful belief is a well-attested historic fact. Tacitus speaks of it: "Achaia atque Asia falso exterrit velut Nero adventaret, vario super ejus exitu rumore eoque pluribus vivere eum fingentibus credentibusque" (Hist., II, 8). So also Dio Chrysostomus: kai nyn (about A.D. 100) eti pantes epithymousi zen oi de pleistoi kai oiontai (Orat., 21, 10; cf. Suetonius, "Vit. Caes."; s.v. NERO and the SIBYLINE ORACLES). Thus the contemporaries of the Seer believed Nero to be alive and expected his return. The Seer either shared their belief or utilized it for his own purpose."
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More than probable since the most well known seer of the time Apollonius wrote this. He even said that the beast is Nero in other writings.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1518033



Yep, it makes sense to me.

I find myself amazed yet again, how fear creeps in and corrupts the human heart, all this watching for beasts and plaques and slavery, and then how so often, reason with its cool clarity blows away the pile of sludge like it is a fluff-ball - when we use our intelligence well, we are probably closer to God than we realize.


peace
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i said "Don`t be scared,be prepared for d worst",talkin of slavery,it use to be iron chains,nowadays its gold chains
.
hiding
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I've been prepared for the worst now for over ten years,
and still
it all boils down to
faith.

Gold chains = debt.
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OP are you implying that the revelation of john is john revealing something to us ? not a prophecy that sure would be revealing I wonder why they dont call it the book of prophecy

interesting banana2
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The book of the revelations of the past by john do not state an anti christ it says there is a beast of the land and the beast of the sea how this gets translatee in to the anti christ and false prophet defies rational logic I think he was implying an earthquake and tsunami
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