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Mi- Republican Governor Snyder VETOES Concealed Weapons Bill

 
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Disappointing but understandable. If even the NRA was sufficiently cowed by public reaction to Sandy Hook to keep silent until today, how much political leeway did the Republican governor of a blue state have to expand gun rights — in schools?

Gov. Rick Snyder vetoed a bill this afternoon that would have allowed gun owners with extra training to carry their concealed weapons in schools, day care centers, churches and stadiums.

In his veto letter sent to the Legislature shortly before 4 p.m., Snyder said the bill had a fatal loophole that didn’t allow for those institutions to opt out of the new legislation and prohibit weapons from their buildings.

“I believe that it is important that these public institutions have clear legal authority to ban weapons from their premises,” he said. “Each is entrusted with the care of a vulnerable population and should have the authority to determine whether its mission would be enhanced by the addition of concealed weapons.”


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However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7

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Then revise the bill and get it passed. What's the prob? They can choose. Then the parents can choose whether to allow their children to attend there or not.
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What a douche nozzle...
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I listened to this guy on the radio today. He wrote the following draft and submitted it to CNS.

He's allowing "folks first peek" at it here--if you have a moment, read it:

GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE, "GUN FREE ZONES" DO

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However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7

I do not own the rights to any video posted, they are for educational/entertainment purposes only.
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He better hope nothing happens at any of those places because he will have blood on his hands
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Governor Snyder vetoes SB59; ensures that colleges continue to allow only criminals to be armed

It is with a heavy heart that we report that Governor Snyder vetoed SB59 earlier today. SB59 had previously passed the Michigan Senate by a 27-11 margin and the Michigan House by a margin of 68-41. SB59 would have allowed CPL-holders to take an additional 8 hours of training (for a total of 16 hours) and be granted an Enhanced CPL, which would have exempted the licensee from current ‘pistol free’ zones. You can read more about all the positive changes that SB59 would have accomplished here:

[link to michigan.concealedcampus.org]

We believe that Governor Snyder vetoed SB59 because he believes that taxpayer-funded public institutions, such as colleges and schools, should be allowed to determine whether or not law-abiding CPL-holders can exercise their rights on those public grounds.

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However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7

I do not own the rights to any video posted, they are for educational/entertainment purposes only.
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Any democrat knows you can't have a person who could/would save the children any where near a school! That would make sense!!! And...we just can't make sense...it would confuse their supporters.

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The issue I heard on the radio earlier today--

Should teachers be armed or not?

Would you want your child in a classroom that had a teacher packing a pistol?

And how about if there was a crazed gunman on the loose heading to that room?
However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7

I do not own the rights to any video posted, they are for educational/entertainment purposes only.
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Attention Michiganers!

For your safety, avoid:

schools, day care centers, churches and stadiums.


And all of detroit and flint.


That is all.
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Before the shootings, and knowing what you now know about Adam Lanza and his mother, would it have troubled you if they were your neighbors?

Last Edited by KoFFee_ on 12/18/2012 08:05 PM
However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7

I do not own the rights to any video posted, they are for educational/entertainment purposes only.
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More openly carried guns predicted if Gov. Rick Snyder vetoes concealed weapons bill

Openly carried handguns will become more common at schools and other places if Gov. Rick Snyder vetoes a controversial concealed weapons bill, the spokesman for a gun-rights group predicts.

Steve Dulan, a director of the Michigan Coalition for Responsible Gun Owners, believes it’s possible open carry could become more common. He hopes it is not necessary.

[link to www.mlive.com]

We shall see.....
However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7

I do not own the rights to any video posted, they are for educational/entertainment purposes only.
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Attention Michiganers!

For your safety, avoid:

schools, day care centers, churches and stadiums.


And all of detroit and flint.


That is all.
 Quoting: LunaticFringe


clappa
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A second term is out of the question Gov. Douchebag
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I was hoping that when I got to GLP tonite that there would be a thread about this cuz I got something to say. but let me read what other have to say first...
thanks Koffee...hf
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Republican Gov. Rick Snyder's popularity has plummeted since he made Michigan the 24th right-to-work state last week, according to a new poll conducted by a national firm released Tuesday.

A survey by North Carolina-based Public Policy Polling found Snyder's approval rating among likely voters is 38 percent while 56 percent disapprove of his performance as the state's chief executive.

Snyder's approval rating has plunged 28 percentage points since the weekend before the Nov. 6 election when PPP last surveyed, said Tom Jensen, director of Public Policy Polling.

"Snyder is now one of the most unpopular governors in the country and it's a pretty traumatic reversal," Jensen said Tuesday.


From The Detroit News:
[link to www.detroitnews.com]
However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7

I do not own the rights to any video posted, they are for educational/entertainment purposes only.
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I was hoping that when I got to GLP tonite that there would be a thread about this cuz I got something to say. but let me read what other have to say first...
thanks Koffee...hf
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I'm actually going out for a late birthday dinner, but I'll be back on later to read what you have to say.

hf
However, I consider my life worth nothing to me; my only aim is to finish the race and complete the task
the Lord Jesus has given me—the task of testifying to the good news of God’s grace. Acts 20:24

"This man really is the Savior of the world!" John 4:42

Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
and all the peoples of the earth will mourn because of him. So shall it be! Amen.
I am the Alpha and the Omega, " says the Lord God, who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty." Revelation 1:7

I do not own the rights to any video posted, they are for educational/entertainment purposes only.
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Then revise the bill and get it passed. What's the prob? They can choose. Then the parents can choose whether to allow their children to attend there or not.
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Parents aren't informed enough to realize that CC means that those people have training to CC. Parents think that their children will be safe in a preschool, school church...ect if there are no guns allowed on/in the buildings. Totally opposite - it becomes a 'kill zone' for the criminal who has a gun not registarted to them....and no one to protect the innocent - oh cuz the law won't let law abiding citizens carry CW.
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So, basically, he just in essence said that as far as he's concerned all school kids don't need protection from gun-wielding lunatics.

Wow.

If they'd change the laws and let teachers conceal carry it would deter these types of incidents. SRO's aren't enough. Perps need to know that they don't know who's carrying and who isn't.
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Yet, every time HE or his family go to those places, he has his armed security carrying concealed weapons!

Pretty nice putting others in danger while you hide behind the title of "public servant" and guys with ASSAULT WEAPONS under their jackets.

F him and all of his kind.
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So, basically, he just in essence said that as far as he's concerned all school kids don't need protection from gun-wielding lunatics.

Wow.

If they'd change the laws and let teachers conceal carry it would deter these types of incidents. SRO's aren't enough. Perps need to know that they don't know who's carrying and who isn't.
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These dumbass officials that think criminals are gonna stop packing because firearms are banned are insane.
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Attention Michiganers!

For your safety, avoid:

schools, day care centers, churches and stadiums.


And all of detroit and flint.


That is all.
 Quoting: LunaticFringe


As a Flint resident, I concur.
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He better hope nothing happens at any of those places because he will have blood on his hands
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Yup, if he doesn't allow trained people to CC and stop a perp whos on a rampage.. yes, its blood on his hands.
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Any democrat knows you can't have a person who could/would save the children any where near a school! That would make sense!!! And...we just can't make sense...it would confuse their supporters.
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and their agenda.
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Attention Michiganers!

For your safety, avoid:

schools, day care centers, churches and stadiums.


And all of detroit and flint.


That is all.
 Quoting: LunaticFringe




Muskegon,Kalamazoo, Battle Creek and Grand Rapids....the rats from Detoilet have been on the move to W. MI..Grand Rapids is getting worse by the day. More and more shootings with unregistared guns - its almost becoming a weekly thing now..... K-zoo and BC has been a go between for the drug runners to and from Shitcago for a long time already.

Yesterday in Grand Rapids a shooter killed a friend and girlfriend outside a resourse center for troubled people then shot himself. The shooter had a street gun NOT registered to him, go figure, thats usually the case in killings...so much for banning guns.
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It was mentioned above but I'd like to explain a little further: Current Michigan law has gun free zones BUT CPL holders may OPEN carry in these areas. This law would have allowed concealed carry in these areas and outlawed open carry.

So we're back to open carry is legal in otherwise weapon free zones but only for CPL holders. Off limits for others. I think if I was a parent with a CPL I would be doing presence visits to my kids school.
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Then revise the bill and get it passed. What's the prob? They can choose. Then the parents can choose whether to allow their children to attend there or not.
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The problem is he is a leftist as well.. he thinks someones wishes and feelings trump YOUR RIGHTS.

This shit has got to end.. the political spectrum in this country has shifted so far left that 30 years ago this fuckstick would have been a liberal democrat... today he is the "conservative".. and the liberals are yesterdays COMMUNISTS!

mcCarthy was right and it is high time we purge this disease from our land.
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As a member of a GOP County Executive Committee in Michigan I plan to submit a very detailed statement against Govoner Snyders action. This is absolutely despicable and not acceptable.
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Everyone needs to shut the fuck up about it.One action,by one person on one day should not change our rights!!!Especially when the whole damn this was made up!
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As a member of a GOP County Executive Committee in Michigan I plan to submit a very detailed statement against Govoner Snyders action. This is absolutely despicable and not acceptable.
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thank you. that would be great. I have never written or emailed to anyone in govt. but, will be now. I think snyder is very wrong in this and is being detured by the CT 'event'.

Bottom line to me is that - hes creating/allowing 'Kill Zones' nothing more nothing less. As someone said above....the blood will be on his hands.
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Great! If we can just get a couple more massacres without some guy with a CWL interrupting it, we will have our war against the second amendment won hands down. Special thanks to all the Liberals and Communists who worked hard to make this happen.
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As a member of a GOP County Executive Committee in Michigan I plan to submit a very detailed statement against Govoner Snyders action. This is absolutely despicable and not acceptable.
 Quoting: MuskMan


What is your feel for the MI state legislature? Could they override his veto or get a bill to him quickly that he would sign with the opt out provision he wants?
"God forbid we should ever be 20 years without such a rebellion. The people cannot be all, & always, well informed... If they remain quiet under such misconceptions it is a lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty... Let them take arms... What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants. " - Thomas Jefferson in 1787

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