Yep, SHR, I agree. The muslims that we here on GLP might have met and talked to are the highly educated and moderate muslims, for the most part. People like Dilatoriness just imagines that because right now the West is the most obvious aggressor by being in Iraq, Israel, and Afghanistan then the Muslims are for the most part morally superior and peaceful. She doesn't realize that MANY in the Arab world would like a war, if they only thought they had a chance of winning it.

It's also easy to feel sorry for the minority of muslims in Denmark for example, who have no real power and feel "misunderstood". It's a huge mistake, however, to assume that just because they're a minority, the underdog, that that means they're the good guys.

"Most men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power."
-Lincoln (IIRC)

I don't believe that if/when muslims become the majority of the population in Europe that they'll suddenly treat us native Europeans with much fairness or respect. They already think they owe us some "payback" for insults real or imagined.

Anyways, debate on this topic really is pointless which for some odd reason I forgot this morning when I made my last post - but I just really wanted to reply to Magister Mundi Sum :P Peaceful dialogue doesn't make compromises on issues like this in the real world, and it doesn't on GLP either. Dilatoriness is as much an extremist as the Ayatollah Khomeini was - set in her ways, and unwilling to admit she might be wrong. Incidentally, also unable to comprehend the opposing viewpoint, which is the basis for all compromise...

That's why it'll come to conflict, sooner or later, and that's why it doesn't matter what anyone says to the contrary, for or against :P

I guess we'll just have to rely on woo-woo solutions for evolution on an individual or small-scale level, because society as a whole is not going to evolve, it's just going to degenerate into either a police state or anarchy. Those of us caught up in it will just have to make decisions on a case-by-case basis, because no one can really know how they'll react until it happens anyways.