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As a former Christian... I understand how hard it is...

 
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His teachings alone validate Him in my eyes..

and thats not even counting
The Immaculate ConceptionThe Miracles

The Resurrection

Last but not least..The Shroud..yes the Shroud..wow ..absolutely amazing!
 Quoting: wildhoney


Dont you mean the Immaculate Deception?

Its only Ink on paper
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You can say that about most things

its only ink on paper

But the rest of His Life Death and Resurrection seems to give validity to the initial claim that He was is quite out of the ordinary..and in my opinion The MessiahTo think that God cant create a human Life without other intervention is ridiculous
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Again just more ink on paper.

LOL
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The place where Brothers and Sisters Christians died fed to the Lions..now a monument to HIm they died for

At Easter the Cross carried where their blood was spilled!!

a myth?

the power of God!
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


wildhoney14@yahoo.com

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Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


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I hear ya' OP. I, too, know the heartbreak of realizing that I was believing a fable.

Oh, how I wish it were true that there was a god above, that actually loved me and cared about me. For the past several years I've also searched for that god within.

Still searching.

I still believe that the heart of the man kind is a beautiful thing; that we aren't the wicked souls that I had formerly thought.

I know lots of cruel people. I've been deeply hurt by some of them. But there's not one of these people who would point a weapon at children and begin shooting. Not one.

My faith is in my own heart and that of others who have searched their own heart also.

The interesting thing about realizing this is that fear no longer rules around me. "I don't know".......does not need to create fear.
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Hi wildhoney, are you still here?

totally off subject but i'm new to Christianity and I was wondering if you believe that humans shouldn't kill animals for food. I saw your quote that said "thou shalt not kill".

thanks
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Jesus prophesied of you... The sower of the seeds.

You are the seed who never took root.
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Not true. What's terribly ironic about your post is that the OP is showing spiritual GROWTH.


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+1
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You too.

Seen PLENTY of evidence of the depth of your deception as well.

To be honest, it's really scary. Even just watching it.

See ya on the big day.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30307828


Really scary huh? Kinda like threatening peoples' souls and convincing them they're going to spend an eternity burning in 'hell' unless they conform to some fabricated man-made religious dogma, right?

Good one.

"You will not be punished for your anger, you will be punished by your anger"
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Re: As a former Christian... I understand how hard it is...
His teachings alone validate Him in my eyes..

and thats not even counting
The Immaculate ConceptionThe Miracles

The Resurrection

Last but not least..The Shroud..yes the Shroud..wow ..absolutely amazing!
 Quoting: wildhoney


Dont you mean the Immaculate Deception?

Its only Ink on paper
 Quoting: INSIDERS VIEW


You can say that about most things

its only ink on paper

But the rest of His Life Death and Resurrection seems to give validity to the initial claim that He was is quite out of the ordinary..and in my opinion The MessiahTo think that God cant create a human Life without other intervention is ridiculous
 Quoting: wildhoney


Again just more ink on paper.

LOL
 Quoting: INSIDERS VIEW


Go to the Colleseum (sp)..stand there..ignore the crowds..and turists..and just feel

man..there is no pretending..

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Last Edited by wildhoney on 12/19/2012 06:39 AM
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


wildhoney14@yahoo.com

[link to www.google.ca]

Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :)
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The place where Brothers and Sisters Christians died fed to the Lions..now a monument to HIm they died for

At Easter the Cross carried where their blood was spilled!!

a myth?

the power of God!
 Quoting: wildhoney


I’m laughing so hard at your ink on paper faith; I need to stop for now my side hurts from laughing so hard.

LOL
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Hi wildhoney, are you still here?

totally off subject but i'm new to Christianity and I was wondering if you believe that humans shouldn't kill animals for food. I saw your quote that said "thou shalt not kill".

thanks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4490820


Yes I do believe that.
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


wildhoney14@yahoo.com

[link to www.google.ca]

Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :)
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How in the world can anyone believe the miracles. They're too ridiculous to even consider.
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The place where Brothers and Sisters Christians died fed to the Lions..now a monument to HIm they died for

At Easter the Cross carried where their blood was spilled!!

a myth?

the power of God!
 Quoting: wildhoney


I’m laughing so hard at your ink on paper faith; I need to stop for now my side hurts from laughing so hard.

LOL
 Quoting: INSIDERS VIEW


laughter is healthy..Im glad I made you laugh

Im sorry you dont believe..but thats your choice
hf
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


wildhoney14@yahoo.com

[link to www.google.ca]

Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :)
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How in the world can anyone believe the miracles. They're too ridiculous to even consider.
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because they defy your sense of logic and reason?
logic and reason explains so very little of the amazing mystery of existence and creation..practically nothing

it is so limited and barely helps one function in the reality percieved by the senses
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


wildhoney14@yahoo.com

[link to www.google.ca]

Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :)
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If you read all the books of the 3 religions of the Middle East they contain the most unGODly passages within them, allegedly from GOD.

So if you use those books as a reference, and read over those unGODly bits, without hesitation, which most believers do, then you really are unknowing.

If you truly believe in GOD then anything that undermines the intellect and the omniscience of GOD simply must be wrong.

Therefore the reference material is seriously flawed!
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How in the world can anyone believe the miracles. They're too ridiculous to even consider.
 Quoting: OneFootUnder


because they defy your sense of logic and reason?
logic and reason explains so very little of the amazing mystery of existence and creation..practically nothing

it is so limited and barely helps one function in the reality percieved by the senses
 Quoting: wildhoney


Yeah yeah, can you walk on water?

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Hi wildhoney, are you still here?

totally off subject but i'm new to Christianity and I was wondering if you believe that humans shouldn't kill animals for food. I saw your quote that said "thou shalt not kill".

thanks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4490820


Yes I do believe that.
 Quoting: wildhoney


Oh okay. Thanks for your answer.

Do you think that all Christians should not eat meat?

Even if the Bible says this "Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything. "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it."
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I hear ya' OP. I, too, know the heartbreak of realizing that I was believing a fable.

Oh, how I wish it were true that there was a god above, that actually loved me and cared about me. For the past several years I've also searched for that god within.

Still searching.

I still believe that the heart of the man kind is a beautiful thing; that we aren't the wicked souls that I had formerly thought.

I know lots of cruel people. I've been deeply hurt by some of them. But there's not one of these people who would point a weapon at children and begin shooting. Not one.

My faith is in my own heart and that of others who have searched their own heart also.

The interesting thing about realizing this is that fear no longer rules around me. "I don't know".......does not need to create fear.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4545733


Christ did not teach fear

He taught the exact opposite..Faith

and showed us that Faith can perform miracles

He showed us all as Christians and non Christians..that all the ugliness..all the hate ..all the violence..the cruelty..all that is fear inspiring ..can be absorbed by true Love and transformed into something wonderful..the miracle of Life..of Love..of the conquest and triumph of the spirit over matter..the Resurrection..

He is so amazing..I pray you honestly take the time to read the Gospels..Matthew for example

Last Edited by wildhoney on 12/19/2012 06:42 AM
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


wildhoney14@yahoo.com

[link to www.google.ca]

Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :)
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Hi wildhoney, are you still here?

totally off subject but i'm new to Christianity and I was wondering if you believe that humans shouldn't kill animals for food. I saw your quote that said "thou shalt not kill".

thanks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4490820


Yes I do believe that.
 Quoting: wildhoney


Oh okay. Thanks for your answer.

Do you think that all Christians should not eat meat?

Even if the Bible says this "Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything. "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4490820


I think people must make their own minds up

my personal wish and prayer is that everyone stops killing and destroying all Life..that includes the animals

It means very very much to me..

And to others that feel so much the suffering going on..

hf
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


wildhoney14@yahoo.com

[link to www.google.ca]

Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :)
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How in the world can anyone believe the miracles. They're too ridiculous to even consider.
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because they defy your sense of logic and reason?
logic and reason explains so very little of the amazing mystery of existence and creation..practically nothing

it is so limited and barely helps one function in the reality percieved by the senses
 Quoting: wildhoney


Yeah yeah, can you walk on water?

1rof1
 Quoting: OneFootUnder


I wish I could..but I am imperfect and a sinner
Matthew 16>18
And I tell you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of Hades will not overcome it..
Peter was crucified..on Vatican Hill

"Thou shalt not kill" does not apply to murder of one's own kind only, but to all living beings; and this Commandment was inscribed in the human breast long before it was proclaimed from Sinai. ~Leo Tolstoy


You have heard that it was said, "You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy."
But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have?

..Immanuel ,The Christ (Sermon Of The Mount)


“WHAT YOU DO TO OTHERS YOU DO TO YOURSELF FOR THAT IS THE LAW..AND THE PROFIT"

..)

Preach the Gospel at all times..and when necessary use words..

St.Francis Of Assisi..

Dont look at where the finger is pointing..but at WHO is doing the pointing


wildhoney14@yahoo.com

[link to www.google.ca]

Be part of the re evolution of the Spirit..say yes to peace and love..be called child of God

Inherit the Kingdom

...Time of the Angels..


oh and PLEASE STOP SENDING ME SPAM FROM AFRICA..thank you :)
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Hi wildhoney, are you still here?

totally off subject but i'm new to Christianity and I was wondering if you believe that humans shouldn't kill animals for food. I saw your quote that said "thou shalt not kill".

thanks
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4490820


Yes I do believe that.
 Quoting: wildhoney


Oh okay. Thanks for your answer.

Do you think that all Christians should not eat meat?

Even if the Bible says this "Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you the green plants, I now give you everything. "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it."
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4490820


I think people must make their own minds up

my personal wish and prayer is that everyone stops killing and destroying all Life..that includes the animals

It means very very much to me..

And to others that feel so much the suffering going on..

hf
 Quoting: wildhoney


thank you for your insight!hf
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To give up something I believed so passionately...

Belief in something gives your life a rich zeal, love, and energy that can't be duplicated by any other means....

Unfortunately, I can no longer close my eyes to reality...

Though, I sincerely wish I could....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 9788321


Jesus prophesied of you... The sower of the seeds.

You are the seed who never took root.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30307828


Not true. What's terribly ironic about your post is that the OP is showing spiritual GROWTH.


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


I've see enough of your posts to know just how incredibly deceived you are, in all your demonic New Age garbage.

But hey... Whatever.

See ya on the big day.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30307828


Glad I don't serve you AC.

In the nearly 13,000 posts I've made here I dont ever recall putting the lable of NEW AGE onto myself.

But that's how you approximate with me.

And your approximation is innacurate and shows irresponsibility on your part.

Your post is a good example of how Christians have a tendancy to police and judge one another (catering to the social systems of MAN), often sloppily, while not keeping their focus on what is important.


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Jesus prophesied of you... The sower of the seeds.

You are the seed who never took root.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30307828


Not true. What's terribly ironic about your post is that the OP is showing spiritual GROWTH.


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


I've see enough of your posts to know just how incredibly deceived you are, in all your demonic New Age garbage.

But hey... Whatever.

See ya on the big day.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30307828


Glad I don't serve you AC.

In the nearly 13,000 posts I've made here I dont ever recall putting the lable of NEW AGE onto myself.

But that's how you approximate with me.

And your approximation is innacurate and shows irresponsibility on your part.

Your post is a good example of how Christians have a tendancy to police and judge one another (catering to the social systems of MAN), often sloppily, while not keeping their focus on what is important.


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 Quoting: BOWMAN


The things that supposed Christians type insulting people like you Bowman astounds me. You said absolutely nothing wrong in your reply above!

They really don't have a clue, and obviously have never really understood what they claim to believe.

Comprehension and Christianity appear to be mutually exclusive.

lolsign
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I graduated from Christianity at age 14. I briefly approached it again in my twenties but then launched into the stratosphere of knowledge, leaving the mind control cult far in the dust. I've read the bible cover to cover. I am my own priest.

I still believe in God. Just not a bearded man sitting on a throne. I still regard Jesus's philosophies as good teachings, but I bow down to no being or entity.

It's not a matter of pride. It's a matter of insisting on true equality, since equality is a natural result of true love.

Not following a church or some virgin's opinion of the bible does not make you evil. Although the brainwashed think otherwise.
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Re: As a former Christian... I understand how hard it is...
To give up something I believed so passionately...

Belief in something gives your life a rich zeal, love, and energy that can't be duplicated by any other means....

Unfortunately, I can no longer close my eyes to reality...

Though, I sincerely wish I could....
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You you opened heart to the Lord? You are saying you had relationship with God and Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit and are now turning your back on that personal relationship?

If you never had the relationship then how can you steer people away from what you never had?

Neither makes sense, however I appreciate the opportunity for folks who may wonder what are you talking about to make up their own minds(Who are you or who is anybody else regarding telling folks what to believe and not believe)


The best way to strike up a relationship with Jesus Christ and God is by reading the 4 Gospels of Jesus Christ. They are titled Matthew, Mark, Luke and John. The Good News Bible in modern English is an easy read. Use commentaries for guidance on what terms from yesterday translate into today. This is all FREE and you shall become FREE if you so desire.

[link to www.e-sword.net] Bibles and Commentaries..FREE

At that time Jesus said, "Father, Lord of heaven and earth! I thank you because you have shown to the unlearned what you have hidden from the wise and learned. Yes, Father, this was how you were pleased to have it happen. "My Father has given me all things. No one knows the Son except the Father, and no one knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him. "Come to me, all of you who are tired from carrying heavy loads, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke and put it on you, and learn from me, because I am gentle and humble in spirit; and you will find rest. For the yoke I will give you is easy, and the load I will put on you is light."
(Matthew 11:25-30)

The goal is to have relationship with Jesus Christ and God through God's Holy Spirit that is also known as Communion anywhere anytime.
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12/19/2012 08:07 PM
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Re: As a former Christian... I understand how hard it is...
I graduated from Christianity at age 14. I briefly approached it again in my twenties but then launched into the stratosphere of knowledge, leaving the mind control cult far in the dust. I've read the bible cover to cover. I am my own priest.

I still believe in God. Just not a bearded man sitting on a throne. I still regard Jesus's philosophies as good teachings, but I bow down to no being or entity.

It's not a matter of pride. It's a matter of insisting on true equality, since equality is a natural result of true love.

Not following a church or some virgin's opinion of the bible does not make you evil. Although the brainwashed think otherwise.
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bsflag

You never read God's Gospel, how could you? Where in the name of God does it describe God as an old man with a beard?

You fail and reveal you followed the words of some human not God.

This is what Jesus Christ says about you and your Bullshit!

But the time is coming and is already here, when by the power of God's Spirit people will worship the Father as he really is, offering him the true worship that he wants. God is Spirit, and only by the power of his Spirit can people worship him as he really is."
(John 4:23-24)

You can see Spirit as easily as you can see wind.....you can't only its effects.
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12/19/2012 08:14 PM
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LOL

Don’t you mean the words on a piece of paper say that?

Ink on paper does not make it truth!
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..His teachings and words are powerful..they arent ink on paper..they are Power..real Power

why do you think they nailed Him to that Cross??
 Quoting: wildhoney


LOL

Don’t deceive yourself it’s just Ink on paper.
 Quoting: INSIDERS VIEW


Do you think I am a Christian because I have nothing better to do? Or because I like to form part of a group? Or because I follow the flock? or because any person convinced me? Or because my parents thought it was a good idea and I obeyed? I could go on..

I am a Christian because of what HE says..His teachings are amazing..!
 Quoting: wildhoney


Don't even bother girl.
So have I now become your enemy for telling you the TRUTH? Galatians 4:16
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12/19/2012 08:28 PM
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Re: As a former Christian... I understand how hard it is...
To give up something I believed so passionately...

Belief in something gives your life a rich zeal, love, and energy that can't be duplicated by any other means....

..
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The Christian religion never gave me all that, so it wasn't hard to give up. In fact 3 sentences in a book suddenly made me realize it was bunk. I was looking for a reason and I found it.
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12/19/2012 08:33 PM
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Re: As a former Christian... I understand how hard it is...

You never read God's Gospel, how could you? Where in the name of God does it describe God as an old man with a beard?


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Jesus sitting on the right hand of God the Father doesn't make you think of an old man and a young man sitting on their thrones? That's how I see them.
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12/19/2012 08:40 PM
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You never read God's Gospel, how could you? Where in the name of God does it describe God as an old man with a beard?


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23015484


Jesus sitting on the right hand of God the Father doesn't make you think of an old man and a young man sitting on their thrones? That's how I see them.
[link to www.ccel.org]
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You fail, can you describe or understand Spirit on it's Throne? Can you see Spirit can you see the throne? No! But described in a fashion a man of 2000 years ago might because of all the Kings and Kingdoms. I mean lighten up, the did not drive Ford Explores and talk by cell phone.

Besides how you see it is deceiving to claim a broad sweeping understanding. As you see it is for you. If you can not build up, why tear down?

If you are not against us you are for us.
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12/19/2012 08:49 PM
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Re: As a former Christian... I understand how hard it is...
Hi wildhoney, are you still here?

totally off subject but i'm new to Christianity and I was wondering if you believe that humans shouldn't kill animals for food. I saw your quote that said "thou shalt not kill".

thanks
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Humans, thou shalt not kill humans.


Mark 7:14-23: “Again Jesus called the crowd to him and said, ‘Listen to me, everyone, and understand this. Nothing outside a man can make him unclean by going into him. Rather, it is what comes out of a man that makes him unclean.’ After he had left the crowd and entered the house, his disciples asked him about this parable. ‘Are you so dull?’ he asked. ‘Don't you see that nothing that enters a man from the outside can make him `unclean'? For it doesn't go into his heart but into his stomach, and then out of his body.’(In saying this, Jesus declared all foods "clean.") He went on: ‘What comes out of a man is what makes him `unclean.' For from within, out of men's hearts, come evil thoughts, sexual immorality, theft, murder, adultery, greed, malice, deceit, lewdness, envy, slander, arrogance and folly. All these evils come from inside and make a man `unclean.’”
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Re: As a former Christian... I understand how hard it is...

You never read God's Gospel, how could you? Where in the name of God does it describe God as an old man with a beard?


 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 23015484


Jesus sitting on the right hand of God the Father doesn't make you think of an old man and a young man sitting on their thrones? That's how I see them.
[link to www.ccel.org]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1371470


You fail, can you describe or understand Spirit on it's Throne? Can you see Spirit can you see the throne? No! But described in a fashion a man of 2000 years ago might because of all the Kings and Kingdoms. I mean lighten up, the did not drive Ford Explores and talk by cell phone.

Besides how you see it is deceiving to claim a broad sweeping understanding. As you see it is for you. If you can not build up, why tear down?

If you are not against us you are for us.
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Can't you see that the Christian gods are false gods? The Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit? The only one of the three close to being real is the Holy Spirit, also known as The Great Spirit. But Christians tried to convert the Native Americans from their belief in the Great Spirit, to a belief in two men sitting in the sky, one of which was originally born to a woman on earth and then made into a false god by the Christians. They will have to answer for that, for their cruelty and for forcing people to believe in something that was wrong.
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Not true. What's terribly ironic about your post is that the OP is showing spiritual GROWTH.


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+1
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You too.

Seen PLENTY of evidence of the depth of your deception as well.

To be honest, it's really scary. Even just watching it.

See ya on the big day.
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Really scary huh? Kinda like threatening peoples' souls and convincing them they're going to spend an eternity burning in 'hell' unless they conform to some fabricated man-made religious dogma, right?

Good one.
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any kind of thread surrounding ones faith is inevitably turned into a platform to insult the Christians by pricks like you.
its always the same shit disturbers.

why don't you go find some hate forum somewhere to puke in.

typical atheist sensitivity to truth.

God manifesting Himself into a man is not fabrication.

I find it very offensive this bullshit game you atheists play in society.

it is you shoving anyhting but God and the Bible doctrine down throats in media, and education.

I think Christians should call you and your like minded sheep on your BS.

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you keep your blasphemy away from my kids and pay for your own ridiculous anything but God doctrine in your own schools. you shouldn't get one penny of Christian tax money.

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I dare all you seculars to put up or damn well shut up.
start advocating for the government to provide what parents want in the way of curriculum/school to send their kids.

anything but God, secular fantasies.

OR

curriculum grounded in the Teachings of the bible and Jesus Christ.

OR

what ever your numbers call for.


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you watch.--- %90 of folks will pick Christian based education.

there is a reason why Christian is taking over the world.

its true.

and when that truth is followed.

it works.


praise God.

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