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Anonymous Coward User ID: 17947376 Australia 12/19/2012 04:22 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When instead they should say; "I choose to be an alcoholic"! Quoting: I love lamp. 30307029 It's not as if they dont enjoy drinking. Or as if the alcohol pours itself down their throats. Same with other "addicts". Cause they LIKE to REINFORCE their SICKNESS. Like FAGS always say " I AM gay" They LOVE their POO..like PISSHEADS love their GROG..SO much so that they actually IDENTIFY themselves WITH it. Its not somethint they DO..its something they ARE. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 1408355 Australia 12/19/2012 04:25 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When instead they should say; "I choose to be an alcoholic"! Quoting: I love lamp. 30307029 It's not as if they dont enjoy drinking. Or as if the alcohol pours itself down their throats. Same with other "addicts". Cause they LIKE to REINFORCE their SICKNESS. Like FAGS always say " I AM gay" They LOVE their POO..like PISSHEADS love their GROG..SO much so that they actually IDENTIFY themselves WITH it. Its not somethint they DO..its something they ARE. Ever heard of poeple who wash their hands a hundred times a day until they bleed? Or have to keep going home to make sure the gas is off? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 14896274 Australia 12/19/2012 04:44 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When instead they should say; "I choose to be an alcoholic"! Quoting: I love lamp. 30307029 It's not as if they dont enjoy drinking. Or as if the alcohol pours itself down their throats. Same with other "addicts". Cause they LIKE to REINFORCE their SICKNESS. Like FAGS always say " I AM gay" They LOVE their POO..like PISSHEADS love their GROG..SO much so that they actually IDENTIFY themselves WITH it. Its not somethint they DO..its something they ARE. Man you do not stop with the gay hate do you? A thread about alcoholics and you turn it in to a gay bashing thread. Really? Gays love poo? Have you never done anal with girl? Do you even know what the fuck you are talking about? Oh and remember this, the gay agenda: take over the world and turn it fabulous. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 17947376 Australia 12/19/2012 04:50 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When instead they should say; "I choose to be an alcoholic"! Quoting: I love lamp. 30307029 It's not as if they dont enjoy drinking. Or as if the alcohol pours itself down their throats. Same with other "addicts". Cause they LIKE to REINFORCE their SICKNESS. Like FAGS always say " I AM gay" They LOVE their POO..like PISSHEADS love their GROG..SO much so that they actually IDENTIFY themselves WITH it. Its not somethint they DO..its something they ARE. Man you do not stop with the gay hate do you? A thread about alcoholics and you turn it in to a gay bashing thread. Really? Gays love poo? Have you never done anal with girl? Do you even know what the fuck you are talking about? Oh and remember this, the gay agenda: take over the world and turn it fabulous. I dont hate gays? I just cant understand HOW they think fucking POO and then sucking their OWN poo of the poo pals cock after he has reamed them is a turn on. And no I have never analized a woman..FOR the same reason..FUCKING SHIT..in a MAN or WOMANS bumhole is bloody SICK. IT FECES for fucks sake. Put it this way.. IF you saw a fresh warm steaming shit on the ground you would NOT want to stick your cock in it unless you were REALLY fucking sick right? But put that SAME fresh warm steamy shit INSIDE someones BUMHOLE and ya good to GO..right? THATS what I dont understand about POO FUCKERS. ITS FUCKING SICK! AnD whats WORSE..they PUSH IT ON OUR KIDS and make it our to be NORMAL?? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 14896274 Australia 12/19/2012 04:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | When instead they should say; "I choose to be an alcoholic"! Quoting: I love lamp. 30307029 It's not as if they dont enjoy drinking. Or as if the alcohol pours itself down their throats. Same with other "addicts". Cause they LIKE to REINFORCE their SICKNESS. Like FAGS always say " I AM gay" They LOVE their POO..like PISSHEADS love their GROG..SO much so that they actually IDENTIFY themselves WITH it. Its not somethint they DO..its something they ARE. Man you do not stop with the gay hate do you? A thread about alcoholics and you turn it in to a gay bashing thread. Really? Gays love poo? Have you never done anal with girl? Do you even know what the fuck you are talking about? Oh and remember this, the gay agenda: take over the world and turn it fabulous. I dont hate gays? I just cant understand HOW they think fucking POO and then sucking their OWN poo of the poo pals cock after he has reamed them is a turn on. And no I have never analized a woman..FOR the same reason..FUCKING SHIT..in a MAN or WOMANS bumhole is bloody SICK. IT FECES for fucks sake. Put it this way.. IF you saw a fresh warm steaming shit on the ground you would NOT want to stick your cock in it unless you were REALLY fucking sick right? But put that SAME fresh warm steamy shit INSIDE someones BUMHOLE and ya good to GO..right? THATS what I dont understand about POO FUCKERS. ITS FUCKING SICK! AnD whats WORSE..they PUSH IT ON OUR KIDS and make it our to be NORMAL?? You know shit doesn't stay six inches from your sphincter at all times, right? When you do anal your dick isn't going in to shit. You've either got to be incredibly naive or 12, or both. "THATS what I dont understand about POO FUCKERS. ITS FUCKING SICK!" Yeah you don't hate gays, sure. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 29689073 Turkey 12/19/2012 05:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ... Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17947376 Cause they LIKE to REINFORCE their SICKNESS. Like FAGS always say " I AM gay" They LOVE their POO..like PISSHEADS love their GROG..SO much so that they actually IDENTIFY themselves WITH it. Its not somethint they DO..its something they ARE. Man you do not stop with the gay hate do you? A thread about alcoholics and you turn it in to a gay bashing thread. Really? Gays love poo? Have you never done anal with girl? Do you even know what the fuck you are talking about? Oh and remember this, the gay agenda: take over the world and turn it fabulous. I dont hate gays? I just cant understand HOW they think fucking POO and then sucking their OWN poo of the poo pals cock after he has reamed them is a turn on. And no I have never analized a woman..FOR the same reason..FUCKING SHIT..in a MAN or WOMANS bumhole is bloody SICK. IT FECES for fucks sake. Put it this way.. IF you saw a fresh warm steaming shit on the ground you would NOT want to stick your cock in it unless you were REALLY fucking sick right? But put that SAME fresh warm steamy shit INSIDE someones BUMHOLE and ya good to GO..right? THATS what I dont understand about POO FUCKERS. ITS FUCKING SICK! AnD whats WORSE..they PUSH IT ON OUR KIDS and make it our to be NORMAL?? You know shit doesn't stay six inches from your sphincter at all times, right? When you do anal your dick isn't going in to shit. You've either got to be incredibly naive or 12, or both. "THATS what I dont understand about POO FUCKERS. ITS FUCKING SICK!" Yeah you don't hate gays, sure. I have an 8 incher and do a lot of this thing with girls. I rarely see some smears of sh.t on it. I wash that immediately and it worth that effort. :) |
Nanna-Ree User ID: 30309518 Sweden 12/19/2012 05:27 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | i believe the reason an alcoholic refers to themself as an alcoholic is so that they do not have to take responsablity for there actions... ..the blame is shifted (because it is given a name) ..that way they can blame the booze instead of making the choice to make a change in there life ..and yes, i do know more than 1 alcoholic!!! ..it killed both of my parents by the time i was 26 ..but i also know ppl who have made the desition to STOP ...so yes it can be done!! THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS AN EX-ALCOHOLIC, JUST A SOBBER ONE!! "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair… |
Robbed User ID: 13231811 United States 12/19/2012 05:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The thing with AA is that they want people to feel powerless to control themselves so that a religious aspect controls them instead. Instead of taking accountability for your own problems you leave it in the hands of God. It's an unfortunate thing because it makes desperate people feel more desperate and powerless out of control of their circumstances. It's the way it is in the United States. Why there are so many people in prison, why there are so many addicts. The whole perspective of accountability for ones actions is rendered invalid entirely because of religion. This is the "official" stance. There is no reformation, no intelligent safety net. They just leave things to chance and desperation. It's an easy way to get people to feel powerless and to lose themselves. I've been reading lately how many people in AA who remain sober choose to kill themselves. I don't have the answers but something isn't right here. |
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SlimExponent User ID: 30299402 United States 12/19/2012 05:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The thing with AA is that they want people to feel powerless to control themselves so that a religious aspect controls them instead. Instead of taking accountability for your own problems you leave it in the hands of God. It's an unfortunate thing because it makes desperate people feel more desperate and powerless out of control of their circumstances. It's the way it is in the United States. Why there are so many people in prison, why there are so many addicts. The whole perspective of accountability for ones actions is rendered invalid entirely because of religion. This is the "official" stance. There is no reformation, no intelligent safety net. They just leave things to chance and desperation. It's an easy way to get people to feel powerless and to lose themselves. I've been reading lately how many people in AA who remain sober choose to kill themselves. I don't have the answers but something isn't right here. Quoting: Robbed Should I respond to this? The easy answer is no, let it go. But I have to say this guy sounds legit. |
I love lamp. (OP) User ID: 30307029 Australia 12/19/2012 05:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Alcoholism is a disease so is addiction. Quoting: krosty Most of you seem to suffer from mental retardation which is also a disease. How come you can't do anything about it? Disease my ass. It is an excuse, so that when things go wrong, you can delude yourself into thinking it was not your fault. Anyone with an IQ under 150 is mentally retarded IMO. |
SlimExponent User ID: 30299402 United States 12/19/2012 05:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Alcoholism is a disease so is addiction. Quoting: krosty Most of you seem to suffer from mental retardation which is also a disease. How come you can't do anything about it? Disease my ass. It is an excuse, so that when things go wrong, you can delude yourself into thinking it was not your fault. Anyone with an IQ under 150 is mentally retarded IMO. Actually it was a way of life to avoid water borne diseases. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29689073 Turkey 12/19/2012 05:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The thing with AA is that they want people to feel powerless to control themselves so that a religious aspect controls them instead. Instead of taking accountability for your own problems you leave it in the hands of God. It's an unfortunate thing because it makes desperate people feel more desperate and powerless out of control of their circumstances. It's the way it is in the United States. Why there are so many people in prison, why there are so many addicts. The whole perspective of accountability for ones actions is rendered invalid entirely because of religion. This is the "official" stance. There is no reformation, no intelligent safety net. They just leave things to chance and desperation. It's an easy way to get people to feel powerless and to lose themselves. I've been reading lately how many people in AA who remain sober choose to kill themselves. I don't have the answers but something isn't right here. Quoting: Robbed Should I respond to this? The easy answer is no, let it go. But I have to say this guy sounds legit. Are you an AA? I guess you are and know what AA is. |
SlimExponent User ID: 30299402 United States 12/19/2012 06:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The thing with AA is that they want people to feel powerless to control themselves so that a religious aspect controls them instead. Instead of taking accountability for your own problems you leave it in the hands of God. It's an unfortunate thing because it makes desperate people feel more desperate and powerless out of control of their circumstances. It's the way it is in the United States. Why there are so many people in prison, why there are so many addicts. The whole perspective of accountability for ones actions is rendered invalid entirely because of religion. This is the "official" stance. There is no reformation, no intelligent safety net. They just leave things to chance and desperation. It's an easy way to get people to feel powerless and to lose themselves. I've been reading lately how many people in AA who remain sober choose to kill themselves. I don't have the answers but something isn't right here. Quoting: Robbed Should I respond to this? The easy answer is no, let it go. But I have to say this guy sounds legit. Are you an AA? I guess you are and know what AA is. No, not AA. Just another cynical drunk. I thought about AA and other options, and decided to reside in my own company. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 29689073 Turkey 12/19/2012 06:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The thing with AA is that they want people to feel powerless to control themselves so that a religious aspect controls them instead. Instead of taking accountability for your own problems you leave it in the hands of God. It's an unfortunate thing because it makes desperate people feel more desperate and powerless out of control of their circumstances. It's the way it is in the United States. Why there are so many people in prison, why there are so many addicts. The whole perspective of accountability for ones actions is rendered invalid entirely because of religion. This is the "official" stance. There is no reformation, no intelligent safety net. They just leave things to chance and desperation. It's an easy way to get people to feel powerless and to lose themselves. I've been reading lately how many people in AA who remain sober choose to kill themselves. I don't have the answers but something isn't right here. Quoting: Robbed Should I respond to this? The easy answer is no, let it go. But I have to say this guy sounds legit. Are you an AA? I guess you are and know what AA is. No, not AA. Just another cynical drunk. I thought about AA and other options, and decided to reside in my own company. I can understand you. I know that it is not easy and AA is not the best option if there is any option. |
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Nanna-Ree User ID: 30309518 Sweden 12/19/2012 07:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Who cares? I chose to be drunk for twenty some years, then I chose to quit being drunk . It was my own choice. I didn't need AA. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30229200 well done you...i have much respect for any1 that chooses to stop ... it can be done, u just have to want it more than u want the drink. the whole "im an alcoholic so that means i cant stop" is bullshit "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness, it was the epoch of belief, it was the epoch of incredulity, it was the season of Light, it was the season of Darkness, it was the spring of hope, it was the winter of despair… |
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TheSeventhGate User ID: 30316415 Ireland 12/19/2012 08:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Because they have been indoctrinated to believe it by the likes of AA. I used to call myself one but then I was shown AVRT by rational recovery and I am free now of my addictions. Permanent abstinence is the right way and anyone with an addiction can quit if they so choose, make a big plan and stick to it and not be tricked by the Beast thinking that comes from our lower/animal brain. For anyone still struggling with an addiction that they want to get rid of easily and forever, get this book, it saved my life. [link to www.amazon.co.uk] AVRT stands for Addictive Voice Recognition Technique, all we have to do is recognize our addictive voice. All people with addictions are ambivalent about quitting, in two minds. One is the real us who wants to quit and the other is our Beast which wants to be drunk/high all the time. Once, we recognize this, we can easily end an addiction and not spend our entire lives in 'recovery'. Last Edited by TheSeventhGate on 12/19/2012 08:40 AM The pawns are in place, the stage is set. The question is, are you ready? Righteous anger and Zeal does not equate to hate,pride or arrogance and are fully justified. Soon, all the slaves will be released, for the Jubilee approaches. Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands. Isaiah 42:12 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins. Genesis 35:11 America(Maneesah), Britain(Ephraim) and the Prophesied Common-Wealth(Company of nations) Saul/Paul, the false Apostle. [link to www.judaismvschristianity.com] [link to www.jesuswordsonly.com] The transplanted Throne of King David to Ireland,Scotland, and England fulfilling Ezekiel 21:25-27 Prophecy. [link to www.henrymakow.com] [link to www.giveshare.org] The "Lost" Ten Tribes of Israel...Found! [link to stevenmcollins.com] Proof that the Law of Moses is still in effect. [link to www.biblegateway.com] [link to www.biblegateway.com] [link to www.biblegateway.com] [link to www.biblegateway.com] 777 |
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TheSeventhGate User ID: 30316415 Ireland 12/19/2012 08:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From the Author Rational Recovery offers new hope to addicted people. I wrote Rational Recovery: The New Cure for Substance Addiction (Pocket Books, 1996) to help addicted people who have not and cannot be helped by the 12-step program of Alcoholics Anonymous. Very few who actually recover from substance addictions do it by attending meetings, entering treatment centers, or getting counseling. The vast majority who look into Alcoholics Anonymous reject it out of hand because of its apparent religiosity and inbred social traditions. As they leave, they are warned that they will inevitably fail to remain abstinent and discover that, even if they abstain from alcohol and drugs, their lives will is hollow and barren without the saving grace of the 12-step experience. This book is about self-recovery, and brings hope to any reader who is first aware of a drinking or drug problem, or one who has tried other approaches and failed to remain consistently abstinent. It describes a common means people use to self-recover through planned abstinence, an approach which I have named Addictive Voice Recognition Technique® or AVRT for short. AVRT is the "nuculear weapon" of the addictions field, not that I make any claim to have invented it. AVRT is a description of the awesome potential of addicted people to take personal responsibility for lifetime abstinence and to become normal, healthy, independent people who simply never drink alcohol or use other drugs. AVRT is simply a set of instructions on how to objectify the bodily desire for the pleasure produced by various substances, and how to make a transcending personal commitment to lifetime abstinence. AVRT is extremely successful, since people most often do what they want to do, especially when they know how. In time, it appears likely that AVRT will become the standard way people expect themselves to recover from substance addictions. But this will not likely come soon, because Alcoholics Anonymous has become a national syndicate weilding immense power over mainstream thinking. Rarely are other simpler and more effective approaches suggested by our courts and social agencies, because the addiction treatment industry has found that the endless cycle of relapse and treatment fostered by the recovery group movement is immensely profitable. The disease concept of addiction is not only violation of common sense, but a fiction of convenience for those who benefit from its effects, chief among them the addicts themselves whose purpose is to avoid personal responsibility for their purposeful misbehavior. The unproved disease concept is nothing more than a doctor's excuse for one's past, present, and future drinking. This pernicious concept dovetails with the first of AA's 12-steps, that addicted people are "powerless" to resist one's bodily desire for the pleasure produced by drinking alcohol or using certain drugs. The drug culture of America now convenes in every community nightly in support groups which support the collective victimhood of substance abusers while offering discouragement to anyone who would attempt to leave the group and "go it alone." The families of alcoholics and other substance abusers often find it easier to think of their loved ones as "sick" rather than stupid or worse, but for this salve they are labeled "enablers" or "codependents" who must also submit to the 12-step creed in order to function as a non-dysfunctional family. Rational Recovery is a society of self-recovered men and women who are now, at last, providing leadership based on common sense and traditional values. We know that anyone at all can quit an addiction, not one-day-at-a-time, but once for all time, and without becoming a convert to a spirituality, a psychology, a religion, or a recovery cult. We teach addicted people how they, too, can break the chains of addiciton by learning the simple thinking skill behind planned abstinence, AVRT. Our message may seem abrasive to some who find meaning or comfort in the status quo, or who believe that AA is a genuine asset in the struggle against mass addiction, and our words may be deeply offensive to people who are personally involved with AA or similar organizations. The 12-step syndicate is a problem posing as a solution, depending on admiration for feats not accomplished, and silence about its glaring flaws, but now it is time to raise our voices and expose the naked emperor. People do not need support to remain sober, and they need not change themselves in any way to quit drinking or using drugs. To the extent they think this is so, we are hearing the Addictive Voice, which I have written about in great depth in Rational Recovery: The New Cure. One man in an addiction treatment center in Louisiana was found to have Rational Recovery: The New Cure in his possession, and the staff, all member of AA of course, demanded to confiscate it from him. They knew that when people learn about RR, they have little reason to be in treatment or recovery groups. He said this book offered him the first glimpse of hope in his life after multiple admissions to similar facilities, but they persisted. He finally rose up, and said, "I see at last what AA is about. It is about controlling people when they are down and out, and now I am free of it forever." He left the facility in spite of threats that by leaving against medical advice he would have to pay the hospital bill himself. This is the human resiliency and self-determination we call the human spirit, although our program is in no way spiritual. People, not programs, are spiritual, and the sooner America learns to expect more from addicted people, they will remain in the grip of pleasure, and locked in the jaws of despair. As to the comments on this book by Carlos Bonilla, I am glad you can see the reality of the recovery group movement. Mr. Bonilla is a 12-stepper, has not read this very important and inspirational book. He wants no one else to read it, either, because it challenges the universality and credibility of AA. He has not commented on any relevant issue on addiction or recovery, but only attacked my character. This is truly the AA way, at every meeting, everywhere. This is the way newcomers and independent-minded people are routinely treated in recovery groups. AA pathologizes dissent: if you don't agree with me, you're in denial. He has a proprietary interest in every substance abuser in the world, and needs them all to agree with his parochial views so he may feel safe in the decisions he has made for himself. He would burn this book if he could, but for now he only trashes it, unread, online. If your life is affected by addiction in any way, I suggest you read it, and you be the judge. Our award-winning website has programmed instruction on AVRT which has resulted in many recovering from serious, long-standing addictions. Jack Trimpey, Founder Rational Recovery The pawns are in place, the stage is set. The question is, are you ready? Righteous anger and Zeal does not equate to hate,pride or arrogance and are fully justified. Soon, all the slaves will be released, for the Jubilee approaches. Let them give glory unto the LORD, and declare his praise in the islands. Isaiah 42:12 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins. Genesis 35:11 America(Maneesah), Britain(Ephraim) and the Prophesied Common-Wealth(Company of nations) Saul/Paul, the false Apostle. [link to www.judaismvschristianity.com] [link to www.jesuswordsonly.com] The transplanted Throne of King David to Ireland,Scotland, and England fulfilling Ezekiel 21:25-27 Prophecy. [link to www.henrymakow.com] [link to www.giveshare.org] The "Lost" Ten Tribes of Israel...Found! [link to stevenmcollins.com] Proof that the Law of Moses is still in effect. [link to www.biblegateway.com] [link to www.biblegateway.com] [link to www.biblegateway.com] [link to www.biblegateway.com] 777 |
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