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This is in response to an email (pasted below) from Senator Menendez today:

Dear Senator Menendez,

Thank you for your concern regarding our children.

Do you really want to help protect our children? If so, there's a far more effective way to do this: Get on the FDA's case for approving highly questionable drugs like Fanapt, which the killer was reportedly on when he went on his killing spree. Side effects include aggression, delusion, confusion, hallucinations and paranoia. Can drugs like these lead to murder? Doctors say, "YES, absolutely."

Do you think it's a rare, isolated incident? Think again. Look here for a database of thousands of psychotropic drug-induced violence episodes: [link to ssristories.com]

ALL the major school shootings have one thing in common -- psychotropic drugs, including anti-depressants, anti-psychotics and anti-anxiety medications, which can all make you more psychotic as they cause changes in brain function including lowering 5-HIAA levels (main metabolite of serotonin), which leads to violent behavior.

Natural serotonin boosters like 5-HTP (an amino acid sold in health food stores) will often safely boost serotonin levels higher than SSRI drugs like Paxil, and yet without the devastating effective of causing psychotic splits in individuals who either get off them too fast, are on the wrong dose, experience hyper-serotonin levels, have their 5-HIAA levels drop off, or are just plain incompatible with the drugs due to genetics, drug interactions, or other reasons.

Our society is loaded up with these killer-producing drugs. But, if you're like most politicians (hoping you're not), you'll likely protect the big pharmaceutical company profits long before you take meaningful action to protect our children.

So, do you REALLY want to help, or are you just grandstanding as you push an agenda to disarm the American people and destroy the 2nd Amendment, which is there to PROTECT the people you serve?

If you really care about our children, then please drop any counter-productive rhetoric and grandstanding and actually DO something meaningful besides strip away our rights in favor of offering a completely useless illusion of "security" through gun banning.

Banning guns saying "guns kill people" is like saying "spoons make people fat." It's the person eating improperly who is the cause, not the spoon of course, and unfortunately, in all the major school shootings -- along with many, many other shootings, stabbings, and suicides -- those emotionally-unstable individuals have been on violence-inducing psychotropics, which are the cause of the violence, not the guns.

THAT is the real problem, Senator. Not the guns. This problem can be addressed in a far more effective manner, but you're heading 180 degrees in the wrong direction... unless you have another agenda of course.

The smart ones address the root cause of problems. They don't ignore them and focus on superficial and ineffective "solutions" that will actually do more harm than good.

I know you've very smart. Hopefully you'll do the right thing and bring the debate back to where it belongs -- on dangerous psychotropic drugs and off the destruction of our Constitution.

I look forward to your favorable response.

Sincere regards,

Your Constituent

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"No More Senseless Tragedies"
From: Senator Robert Menendez

Dear Friend,

The senseless, horrific tragedy that took place in Newtown, Connecticut last Friday has shaken us all to our cores. We ask ourselves, why? Today, I spoke on the Senate floor to join with every American in expressing our deep and abiding grief as a nation and our deepest -- most heartfelt -- condolences to the families of the victims.

As the father of two, this strikes painfully close to my heart, painfully close to the heart of every parent. There is no greater sorrow -- no deeper pain -- than the enormous grief that these families are suffering: 20 innocent children, 6 teachers and school employees and their families. No parent should ever have to bear the unspeakable pain of losing a child, especially to this type of tragedy.

Enough is enough.

We must ensure the Newtown tragedy marks a turning point when we are all willing to come together and do what’s right. As we pray for the victims, I believe we must commit ourselves -- as a nation -- to a long-overdue debate about gun violence and how we help those who suffer mental illnesses in our society.

We must finally pass common sense gun laws. No more politics. No more excuses.

Sincerely,

Robert Menendez
United States Senator
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I think Senator Menendez is seriously depressed and needs to be put on a strict regimen of anti-pro-psychotropic drugs, STAT.
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I think Senator Menendez is seriously depressed and needs to be put on a strict regimen of anti-pro-psychotropic drugs, STAT.
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I didn't even think of that. So many people are grieving over this that it will likely lead to a marked increase in prescriptions for the same psychotropic drugs that cause these types of tragedies in the first place.
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Wow, I'm surprised 20% disagree.

Care to explain why? Seems common sense to address the cause, not the symptom or side effect... of a DRUG.

They should label psychotropic drugs with warnings like: "May cause random acts of violence including school, mall and family shootings."
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[link to www.breitbart.com]

Talk about hypocrite...
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[link to www.breitbart.com]

Talk about hypocrite...
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Nice find. That may need its own thread.
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Predictions Confirmed: Shooter Adam Lanza Was on Violence-Linked Anti-Psychotic Fanapt

The ‘Connecticut Shooter’ Adam Lanza has now been reported by mainstream media to indeed be taking the violence-linked anti-psychotic drug known as Fanapt, a prediction I made after the news of the shooting broke. And as I explained in my previous article regarding this drug by name, Fanapt has a very disturbing history of FDA testing and approval. It also has a long line of side effects that echo reports that drugs of this nature ultimately lead to suicidal behavior and increased overall aggression — side effects covered up by Big Pharma corporate scientists.

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But what about Fanapt, the drug Lanza was taking? The drug itself has an even more troubled past. After initially being rejected by the FDA for ‘severe problems’ in patients, Fanapt was eventually approved after a disturbing lack of study. Fanapt was only tested on around 500 people before going on sale to the almost 300 million citizens inside the United States for widespread ‘treatment’.

But what’s even more concerning than the shoddy trials of the drug is the side effects listed on both the package insert for the drug and various online medical sites. These include:

Hostility
Aggression
Mania
Confusional state
Impulse-control disorder

Read more: [link to naturalsociety.com]
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MP3 Interview with Dr. Ann Blake Tracy and Christopher Bollin.

Dr. Tracy is the author of the book "Prozac: Pancea or Pandora"

Interview discusses Andrea Yates case (was found not guilty after drowning her 5 children due to insanity caused antidepressants and antipsychotics).

[link to 911underground.com]
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People, if you care about your 2nd Amendment rights, THIS is your argument right here. Otherwise, I'm pretty sure you can kiss those guns goodbye.

Guns don't kill people. People turned into psychotic killers by use of psychotropic drugs kill people. PERIOD.
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Dear Senator Menendez:

No kids actually died at Sandy Hook, so it is an extremely poor reason for gun control.

Sincerely,
People with Brains, Eyes, Ears, and Hearts
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[link to www.breitbart.com]

Talk about hypocrite...
 Quoting: AlcoholicRunner


Different guy there, but isn't Menendez the one who hired the intern that was wanted for sex crimes, then had the DHS instruct law enforcement to ignore until after the election.

[link to usnews.nbcnews.com]

Yeah leftists that's a stand up guy.burnit
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Re: Response to Senator Menendez's Desire For More Gun Laws
Dear Senator Menendez:

No kids actually died at Sandy Hook, so it is an extremely poor reason for gun control.

Sincerely,
People with Brains, Eyes, Ears, and Hearts

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 15597712


Please don't derail this thread with outlandish statements.

This was posted to help protect this nation from the type of military takeovers that always happen after gun control laws are put in place, and to help prevent future tragedies.
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[link to www.breitbart.com]

Talk about hypocrite...
 Quoting: AlcoholicRunner


Different guy there, but isn't Menendez the one who hired the intern that was wanted for sex crimes, then had the DHS instruct law enforcement to ignore until after the election.

[link to usnews.nbcnews.com]

Yeah leftists that's a stand up guy.burnit
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Yes, that's him.

He will likely run for President at some point.
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2008-02-15
Illinois
** 6 Dead: 15 Wounded: Perpetrator Was in Withdrawal from Med & Acting Erratically
School Shooting
Prozac Antidepressant

2005-03-24
Minnesota
**10 Dead: 7 Wounded: Dosage Increased One Week before Rampage
School Shooting
Paxil [Seroxat] Antidepressant

2001-03-10
Pennsylvania
**14 Year Old GIRL Shoots & Wounds Classmate at Catholic School
School Shooting
Zoloft Antidepressant & ADHD Med

2011-07-11
Alabama
**14 Year Old Kills Fellow Middle School Student
School Shooting
Zoloft Antidepressant

1995-10-12
South Carolina
**15 Year Old Shoots Two Teachers, Killing One: Then Kills Himself
School Shooting
Med For Depression

2009-03-13
Germany
**16 Dead Including Shooter: Antidepressant Use: Shooter in Treatment For Depression
School Hostage Situation
Med For Depression

2010-12-15
France
**17 Year Old with Sword Holds 20 Children & Teacher Hostage
School Shooting Plot
Med For Depression WITHDRAWAL

2008-08-28
Texas
**18 Year Old Plots a Columbine School Attack
School Shooting
Anafranil Antidepressant

1988-05-20
Illinois
**29 Year Old WOMAN Kills One Child: Wounds Five: Kills Self
School Shooting
Luvox/Zoloft Antidepressants

1999-04-20
Colorado
**COLUMBINE: 15 Dead: 24 Wounded
School Stabbings
Antidepressants

2001-06-09
Japan
**Eight Dead: 15 Wounded: Assailant Had Taken 10 Times his Normal Dose of Depression Med
School Shooting
Prozac Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL

1998-05-21
Oregon
**Four Dead: Twenty Injured
School Stabbing
Med For Depression

2011-10-25
Washington
**Girl, 15, Stabs Two Girls in School Restroom: 1 Is In Critical Condition
School Shooting
Antidepressant

2006-09-30
Colorado
**Man Assaults Girls: Kills One & Self
School Machete Attack
Med for Depression

2001-09-26
Pennsylvania
**Man Attacks 11 Children & 3 Teachers at Elementary School
School Shooting Related
Luvox

1993-07-23
Florida
**Man Commits Murder During Clinical Trial for Luvox: Same Drug as in COLUMBINE: Never Reported
School Hostage Situation
Cymbalta Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL

2009-11-09
New York
**Man With Gun Inside School Holds Principal Hostage
School Shooting
Antidepressants

1992-09-20
Texas
**Man, Angry Over Daughter's Report Card, Shoots 14 Rounds inside Elementary School
School Shooting
SSRI

2010-02-19
Finland
**On Sept. 23, 2008 a Finnish Student Shot & Killed 9 Students Before Killing Himself
School Shooting Threat
Med for Depression*

2004-10-19
New Jersey
**Over-Medicated Teen Brings Loaded Handguns to School
School Shooting
Antidepressant?

2007-04-18
Virginia
**Possible SSRI Use: 33 Dead at Virginia Tech
School Shooting
Antidepressant?

2002-01-17
Virginia
**Possible SSRI Withdrawal Mania: 3 Dead at Law School
School Incident/Bizarre
Zoloft*

2010-08-22
Australia
**School Counselor Exhibits Bizarre Behavior: Became Manic On Zoloft
School/Assault
Antidepressant

2009-11-04
California
**School Custodian Assaults Student & Principal: Had Manic Reaction From Depression Med
School Shooting
Prozac Antidepressant

1992-01-30
Michigan
**School Teacher Shoots & Kills His Superintendent at School
School Shooting Threats
Celexa Antidepressant

2010-01-25
Virginia
**Senior in High School Theatens to Kill 4 Classmates: Facebook Involved: Bail Denied
School Violence/Murder
Antidepressants*

1998-05-04
New York
**Sheriff's Deputy Shoots his Wife in an Elementary School
School Knifing/Murder
Meds For Depression & ADHD

2010-04-28
Massachusetts
**Sixteen Year Old Kills 15 Year Old in High School Bathroom in Sept. 2009
School Stabbing
Wellbutrin
2006-12-04
Indiana
**Stabbing by 17 Year Old At High School: Charged with Attempted Murder
School Threat
Antidepressants

2007-04-23
Mississippi
**Student Arrested for Making School Threat Over Internet
School Suspension
Lexapro Antidepressant

2007-07-28
Arkansas
**Student Has 11 Incidents with Police During his 16 Months on Lexapro
School Shooting
Antidepressant WITHDRAWAL

2007-11-07
Finland
**Student Kills 8: Wounds 10: Kills Self: High School in Finland
School Shooting
Paxil [Seroxat] Antidepressant

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The above stats from Thread: LIST of School Shootings While Shooter On MEDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Maybe I have a reading comprehension problem, but the Senator paid lip service IMHO to the mental health issue, but made it quite clear on how he intends to proceed with gun control, and how he will vote.

There has been a full court press to ban semi auto's and the politically termed "assault weapons" at the same time .gov is ramping up procurement of ammunition, weapons, and barrier material...and the militarization of police departments with true battle rifles, armored vehicles, drones, and surveillance equipment. And people should be asking WHY rather than cheerleading the civilian disarmament.

Something is up, and .gov is aware, and wants you as ill equipped as possible.

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Maybe I have a reading comprehension problem, but the Senator paid lip service IMHO to the mental health issue, but made it quite clear on how he intends to proceed with gun control, and how he will vote.

There has been a full court press to ban semi auto's and the politically termed "assault weapons" at the same time .gov is ramping up procurement of ammunition, weapons, and barrier material...and the militarization of police departments with true battle rifles, armored vehicles, drones, and surveillance equipment. And people should be asking WHY rather than cheerleading the civilian disarmament.

Something is up, and .gov is aware, and wants you as ill equipped as possible.

damned
 Quoting: SFC_Swede


I could not have said it better.

Not sure I'm following your "reading comprehension problem" though. Seems you're reading it exactly as I did.

Millions of rounds of hollow-point bullets can only mean one thing -- military takeover and decimation of any dissenting citizens.
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Almost 11% have voted to treat a symptom (violence), not a real cause (psychotropics).

Much less than the brainwashed masses you find outside GLP.
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Fortunately Menendez lost in November and is gonna be out of the Senate. Hope he can't do any more damage in his remaining lame duck month.
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Fortunately Menendez lost in November and is gonna be out of the Senate. Hope he can't do any more damage in his remaining lame duck month.
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Wow, I missed that. That's great news. Hopefully someone better will take his place.
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Fortunately Menendez lost in November and is gonna be out of the Senate. Hope he can't do any more damage in his remaining lame duck month.
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For 14% of voters, if there's a flashing red light and loud buzzer going off on an aircraft's dashboard, they feel the annoying red light and buzzer are the problems that should be gotten rid of.

Brilliant.
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Fortunately Menendez lost in November and is gonna be out of the Senate. Hope he can't do any more damage in his remaining lame duck month.
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MP3 Interview with Dr. Ann Blake Tracy and Christopher Bollin.

Dr. Tracy is the author of the book "Prozac: Pancea or Pandora"

Interview discusses Andrea Yates case (was found not guilty after drowning her 5 children due to insanity caused antidepressants and antipsychotics).

[link to 911underground.com]
 Quoting: Present and Aware


This is a very important interview.

It explains how and why these people are going on killing sprees.

Please listen. Mind-blowing stuff.
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See Peirce morgan flip him off at 613
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Clicked yes because YES, it is a HUGE problem. but I also do feel there needs to also be a closer look at the proliferation of guns. Yeah, yeah, I know you all will slam me. Oh well. I still love you!!
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See Peirce morgan flip him off at 613
 Quoting: Omniscient1


Yup. A definite Freudian finger slip.

This interview now a top story on Drudge Report.
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Clicked yes because YES, it is a HUGE problem. but I also do feel there needs to also be a closer look at the proliferation of guns. Yeah, yeah, I know you all will slam me. Oh well. I still love you!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 17295399


I'm all for a closer look, as it will exonerate guns and put the onus on the operators of those guns who are, in many cases, on drugs that make them kill.

Listen to the Dr. Ann Blake Tracy interview. It's a stunner.
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This guy is clearly pro guns. {shame on him}. You can make a million argument as to why people are the problem,(and they are}, but they couldn't cause such heart breaking and brutal harm if they didn't have the guns to kill people with. Spoons do not make people fat.....pencels do not cause spelling mistakes.......nor do they cause such heart breaking death and distruction.
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This guy is clearly pro guns. {shame on him}. You can make a million argument as to why people are the problem,(and they are}, but they couldn't cause such heart breaking and brutal harm if they didn't have the guns to kill people with. Spoons do not make people fat.....pencels do not cause spelling mistakes.......nor do they cause such heart breaking death and distruction.
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This guy is clearly pro guns. {shame on him}. You can make a million argument as to why people are the problem,(and they are}, but they couldn't cause such heart breaking and brutal harm if they didn't have the guns to kill people with. Spoons do not make people fat.....pencels do not cause spelling mistakes.......nor do they cause such heart breaking death and distruction.





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