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Pi, I like you. Can I be your friend? tounge
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Heh, of course, thank you for the warm sentiment, and its nice to see that some people appreciate my grumblings hf
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....sweet Jesus guys, these are drugs we're dealing with, not demons out of hell.

I've been addicted to Adderall before (2 years), shame as it was a proper treatment: Doctors are just as afraid of the stuff as you all are, and I couldn't get the dose level that helped me. So I switched to Ritalin and while it is less effective, Doctors are actually willing to prescribe a proper dose.

Amphetamines are not toxic unless the dose is very high. With racemic amphetamine that level is around 120mg a day. Even at this level, any toxicity is mitigated by antioxidant consumption. Amphetamines have decades of scientific research to support their use and safety.

And by the way, ethyl alcohol and it's metabolites are more toxic than both amphetamine and methamphetamine.

What if, God forbid, the medicine is actually helping, and your friend's suffering comes from elsewhere? A brain disease genotype, for example.

Realistically addiction to stimulants is only psychological. Many people mistake proper use for "addiction".
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Prolonged Adderall abuse can change the chemical nature of the brain and cause suicidal thoughts.
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Very interesting thread.

I was put on Adderall about a year ago and keep wanting to get off of it.

My family swears they'll KILL me if I do. They say they can tell when I don't take it.

I'm supposed to take it every morning but yet again I haven't for the past 3 mornings.

I'm certainly not addicted.
 Quoting: Miggy


Yes this is the case for many people.

In university there is a large "black market" for this drug.

Not that I would sell any of mine, but NONE of the young adults that I observed using Adderall illicitly became addicted.

Several of them even disliked the "euphoric" effects of the drug, and used it purely for study/stimulant purposes.
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I wish I had the nerve to sell mine. I could use the money! tounge

BTW, Good morning, friend Sub!
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Prolonged Adderall abuse can change the chemical nature of the brain and cause suicidal thoughts.
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Prolonged living per se can do just that...

Care to explain these changes? Or are you another prohibitionist without pharmacological knowledge?
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Prolonged Adderall abuse can change the chemical nature of the brain and cause suicidal thoughts.
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I can understand why people think such things but can I say something here?

Reading these comments I wonder if people understand what it's truly like to be depressed and suicidal.

I don't like taking this medicine but for the first time in years I feel like sticking around, for a change.

And again, I go two or three days without taking it BECAUSE comments like these scare me to death.

I suppose I'm grateful that posters here have "our" best interests at heart but I hope you know many of us would not be easy to live with if it weren't for certain medicines.

There's a video I saw once that describes perfectly how I used to feel before I was on this medication.

I'll see if I can find it.

Perhaps then you'll understand.

I'm not upset at anyone here but I'm just trying to explain that for many of us this drug has brought us and the families who love us a much more loving and peaceful life.
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I wish I had the nerve to sell mine. I could use the money! tounge

BTW, Good morning, friend Sub!
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yeahsure ...don't remind me.. LOL. I was practically a starving student, but needed my Addies. Room-mates repeatedly offered to buy my entire script for between $5-10 per 20mg pill. Tough to pass up that deal, gotta say...

Also, good morning to you!
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Prolonged Adderall abuse can change the chemical nature of the brain and cause suicidal thoughts.
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Prolonged living per se can do just that...

Care to explain these changes? Or are you another prohibitionist without pharmacological knowledge?
 Quoting: pi 20063747


Nah, I smoke cannabis. I mean the drug (Adderall) can completely change a user’s personality over a prolonged time.

...ever heard of stimulant psychosis?
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Loading doses or snorting it; you're going to get high and to keep that up you'll need more and more. Then you run out of meds, and you either have to buy more illigetmilty or go through dopamine crash.
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And again, I go two or three days without taking it BECAUSE comments like these scare me to death.
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You aren't an abuser, so there is no need to worry. People drink alcohol everyday, and don't get cirrhosis.
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I was put on Adderall about 2 years ago. Worst shit ever. I ended up upping my dosage to about 60 mg a day and I started to have paranoid thoughts and almost had a heart attack. Nasty shit. Never done it since.
 Quoting: MayanGod


Yes, my friend is paranoid, suspicious, and delusional.
She thinks someone is listening in on her phonecalls and breaking into her computer.

She has even mentioned voices.
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If she's been up for a few days on it, yes it will do that. Lack of sleep. It normaly levels out after 3 days. No way would I want to put my child on it, however from what I understand when a person is add the speed naturally, and addrall brings them down. If someone is speeding after the first few days I don't think they really need this medicen. It is strong and addictive! I got on it to clear the fog from my brain and hate it! It gives the worst stomach pains, similar to labor pains (not as frequent or intense) however close.
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I was put on Adderall about 2 years ago. Worst shit ever. I ended up upping my dosage to about 60 mg a day and I started to have paranoid thoughts and almost had a heart attack. Nasty shit. Never done it since.
 Quoting: MayanGod


Yes, my friend is paranoid, suspicious, and delusional.
She thinks someone is listening in on her phonecalls and breaking into her computer.

She has even mentioned voices.
 Quoting: Renegade (Me too)


Classic Amphetamine Psychosis. It's not permanent and will go away anywhere from 48hrs up to a week or two after she stops using.

It's called "Pyschosis" because it mimics the symptoms of a true, natural pyschosis.
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I wish I had the nerve to sell mine. I could use the money! tounge

BTW, Good morning, friend Sub!
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Hey Miggy !hi

If you're selling, I'm buying...after the year I've had, I could use a boost ! cool2
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Prolonged Adderall abuse can change the chemical nature of the brain and cause suicidal thoughts.
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Prolonged living per se can do just that...

Care to explain these changes? Or are you another prohibitionist without pharmacological knowledge?
 Quoting: pi 20063747


Nah, I smoke cannabis. I mean the drug (Adderall) can completely change a user’s personality over a prolonged time.

...ever heard of stimulant psychosis?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30054494


Fair enough, but keep in mind, it is difficult to find a contemporary psychiatrist who doesn't claim the same outcome for cannabis use (progression to psychosis), and we both know THAT isn't true.

Also keep in mind that caffeine psychosis is as common as amphetamine psychosis, and neither of these are considered likely among (ab)users.

Amphetamine "abusers" frequently are on long binges before psychosis creeps in. Even seasoned methamp addicts do not necessarily ever experience amphetamine psychosis. It really is much rarer than most people think.
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I wish I had the nerve to sell mine. I could use the money! tounge

BTW, Good morning, friend Sub!
 Quoting: Miggy


Hey Miggy !hi

If you're selling, I'm buying...after the year I've had, I could use a boost ! cool2
 Quoting: subzero86


Heh, this post might seem a little "shady", but grey-market designer stimulants are easily found online, for those that are so inclined. Most however bear more resemblance to Ritalin than to Adderall.
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Also keep in mind that caffeine psychosis is as common as amphetamine psychosis, and neither of these are considered likely among (ab)users.

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The only really good caffeine psychosis I ever saw was when the user had recently started Cipro.
That was impressive.
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Adderall is speed. All the issues of meth addiction including psychosis could possibly be present. Speed is the one drug that really will almost certainly make someone nuts.

It would likely not be permanent if they can get clean. But its a rough road to recovery.
 Quoting: Fred 29293291


When I lived in LA I ended up on snorting meth on and off for 2 years... It eventually gave me paronoid induced phychosis where I also developed symptoms of scitzophrenia (sp?) At the same time I was also drinking every few days and going on major binges while trying to maintain a professional carrer that eventually went down the tubes...

I ended up moving back home to the midwest to get away from the "scene" and people I was around who had the same types of problems. When I went to a doctor back home I lied and said I had been taking adderall for years for my add an that I needed a refill. He didnt do any type of check on my previous medical records so I got him to give me 2 30mgs pills Immediate release 2 x's a day.

Ever since I started taking the adderall and finally had a perscription of it... In my case my life has improved tremendously!!! Somehow it cured my drinking and havent touched any alcohol or had any desire to drink while being on it. It also has kept me from wanting to do any other types of illegal "upper" drugs such as cocaine. We dont get meth out here in the midwest and frankly I wouldnt ever do it again if I even was given the option. I am just fine with my adderall! My parents have also seen a huge improvement in me as I do really have ADD and always have.

There is one problem though... I am addicted to this medicine. I take double my dose a day so I am taking 120 mgs of it instead of 60mgs. I run out 2 weeks early where I end up basically in bed sleeping and miserable untill I can see my doctor for my refill. He will not up my dose because I am already on alot being a girl and 115 lbs.

I seem to sometimes become bi-polar on this medicine as well but for me the benifits have out weighed the risks and from all the trouble and crap I got into when I use to drink... Just from cutting that out of my life my family and friends are tolleratnt of my occasional adderall fits!
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And again, I go two or three days without taking it BECAUSE comments like these scare me to death.
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You aren't an abuser, so there is no need to worry. People drink alcohol everyday, and don't get cirrhosis.
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Thank you!

This comment meant the world to me.

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I wish I had the nerve to sell mine. I could use the money! tounge

BTW, Good morning, friend Sub!
 Quoting: Miggy


Hey Miggy !hi

If you're selling, I'm buying...after the year I've had, I could use a boost ! cool2
 Quoting: subzero86


Heh, this post might seem a little "shady", but grey-market designer stimulants are easily found online, for those that are so inclined. Most however bear more resemblance to Ritalin than to Adderall.
 Quoting: pi 20063747


I'd want to stock up on Adderall for an eventual SHTF scenario !

If you need to bug out quick, the boost you get from that thing could save your life !
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If she's been up for a few days on it, yes it will do that. Lack of sleep. It normaly levels out after 3 days. No way would I want to put my child on it, however from what I understand when a person is add the speed naturally, and addrall brings them down. If someone is speeding after the first few days I don't think they really need this medicen. It is strong and addictive! I got on it to clear the fog from my brain and hate it! It gives the worst stomach pains, similar to labor pains (not as frequent or intense) however close.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28319754


AC, I would very much like to talk to you about this. I think I can help you.

I have experienced this pain in the past. Doctors are baffled by it. Let me know if I can help.
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Adderall is speed. All the issues of meth addiction including psychosis could possibly be present. Speed is the one drug that really will almost certainly make someone nuts.

It would likely not be permanent if they can get clean. But its a rough road to recovery.
 Quoting: Fred 29293291


When I lived in LA I ended up on snorting meth on and off for 2 years... It eventually gave me paronoid induced phychosis where I also developed symptoms of scitzophrenia (sp?) At the same time I was also drinking every few days and going on major binges while trying to maintain a professional carrer that eventually went down the tubes...

I ended up moving back home to the midwest to get away from the "scene" and people I was around who had the same types of problems. When I went to a doctor back home I lied and said I had been taking adderall for years for my add an that I needed a refill. He didnt do any type of check on my previous medical records so I got him to give me 2 30mgs pills Immediate release 2 x's a day.

Ever since I started taking the adderall and finally had a perscription of it... In my case my life has improved tremendously!!! Somehow it cured my drinking and havent touched any alcohol or had any desire to drink while being on it. It also has kept me from wanting to do any other types of illegal "upper" drugs such as cocaine. We dont get meth out here in the midwest and frankly I wouldnt ever do it again if I even was given the option. I am just fine with my adderall! My parents have also seen a huge improvement in me as I do really have ADD and always have.

There is one problem though... I am addicted to this medicine. I take double my dose a day so I am taking 120 mgs of it instead of 60mgs. I run out 2 weeks early where I end up basically in bed sleeping and miserable untill I can see my doctor for my refill. He will not up my dose because I am already on alot being a girl and 115 lbs.

I seem to sometimes become bi-polar on this medicine as well but for me the benifits have out weighed the risks and from all the trouble and crap I got into when I use to drink... Just from cutting that out of my life my family and friends are tolleratnt of my occasional adderall fits!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 25066813


Tolerance is always bothersome, and I'm afraid at 120mg/day you will be seeing a lot of that.

If you are interesting in reducing your intake, I would suggest supplementing the amino acids which are converted to dopamine, which are L-Tyrosine and L-Phenylalanine.

For example DL-Phenylalanine (the "D" is an important addition here) can seem to double the potency of amphetamines. Supplementing magnesium reduces stress/hyperactivation in the brain, and enhances amphetamine uptake by the body.

There are also herbs that will help you, Rhodiola rosea for example is used to treat addiction to opiates and to stimulants. It also greatly augments stimulant effects; too much for some people, but doubtfully so for a tolerant amphetamine user.

Keep in mind that Dexedrine is more potent than Adderall, and additionally, one can actually be prescribed pharmaceutical methamphetamine; it is called Desoxyn.
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I wish I had the nerve to sell mine. I could use the money! tounge

BTW, Good morning, friend Sub!
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Hey Miggy !hi

If you're selling, I'm buying...after the year I've had, I could use a boost ! cool2
 Quoting: subzero86


Heh, this post might seem a little "shady", but grey-market designer stimulants are easily found online, for those that are so inclined. Most however bear more resemblance to Ritalin than to Adderall.
 Quoting: pi 20063747


I'd want to stock up on Adderall for an eventual SHTF scenario !

If you need to bug out quick, the boost you get from that thing could save your life !
 Quoting: subzero86


I think you misread me, I agree completely! I always have a large extra supply of stimulants; one never knows when a stimulant boost will come in handy!
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I wish I had the nerve to sell mine. I could use the money! tounge

BTW, Good morning, friend Sub!
 Quoting: Miggy


Hey Miggy !hi

If you're selling, I'm buying...after the year I've had, I could use a boost ! cool2
 Quoting: subzero86


Heh, this post might seem a little "shady", but grey-market designer stimulants are easily found online, for those that are so inclined. Most however bear more resemblance to Ritalin than to Adderall.
 Quoting: pi 20063747


HAHA.

Pi, Sub's a good guy. In fact I would trust him with my life.

Regarding the black market out there, I know of it well.

When I worked at a showroom in Vegas all of us gals were constantly hitting them up for diet pills because we had weekly weigh-in's.

I'd still be too scared to sell stuff in that venue.

Can you imagine being in jail with a mental illness and no medicine?

Yikes!
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It gives the worst stomach pains, similar to labor pains (not as frequent or intense) however close.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28319754


AC, I would very much like to talk to you about this. I think I can help you.

I have experienced this pain in the past. Doctors are baffled by it. Let me know if I can help.
 Quoting: Miggy


Are they aware of link to pancreatitis with this class of drugs?

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

Tests you may wish to have during the next painful episode
[link to www.webmd.com]

(not all of the obviously)

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Tolerance is always bothersome, and I'm afraid at 120mg/day you will be seeing a lot of that.

If you are interesting in reducing your intake, I would suggest supplementing the amino acids which are converted to dopamine, which are L-Tyrosine and L-Phenylalanine.

For example DL-Phenylalanine (the "D" is an important addition here) can seem to double the potency of amphetamines. Supplementing magnesium reduces stress/hyperactivation in the brain, and enhances amphetamine uptake by the body.

There are also herbs that will help you, Rhodiola rosea for example is used to treat addiction to opiates and to stimulants. It also greatly augments stimulant effects; too much for some people, but doubtfully so for a tolerant amphetamine user.

Keep in mind that Dexedrine is more potent than Adderall, and additionally, one can actually be prescribed pharmaceutical methamphetamine; it is called Desoxyn.
 Quoting: pi 20063747


Boy, I'LL say!

They gave me that once and I was happily cleaning every crack and crevice of my house for three days straight!

Are they classified the same? Adderall is a 5. I can't believe it's as potent as Dex.
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HAHA.

Pi, Sub's a good guy. In fact I would trust him with my life.

Regarding the black market out there, I know of it well.

When I worked at a showroom in Vegas all of us gals were constantly hitting them up for diet pills because we had weekly weigh-in's.

I'd still be too scared to sell stuff in that venue.

Can you imagine being in jail with a mental illness and no medicine?

Yikes!
 Quoting: Miggy


heh heh, no doubts!

I'm the shady one in my post... when pharma companies create drugs like Ritalin, Wellbutrin, reboxetine etc, they create them as part of a series.

They only patent a few drugs out of the series, and the rest, typically nearly identical in function, end up on the grey markets. They can be bought online for dirt cheap, legally!
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For anyone who wants to abandon people who have been prescribed Adderall to conquer their mental illness, here is a video that kind of explains what it's like when you AREN'T on it.

Fortunately, it's been a long time since I felt this way.


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It gives the worst stomach pains, similar to labor pains (not as frequent or intense) however close.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 28319754


AC, I would very much like to talk to you about this. I think I can help you.

I have experienced this pain in the past. Doctors are baffled by it. Let me know if I can help.
 Quoting: Miggy


Are they aware of link to pancreatitis with this class of drugs?

[link to www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov]

Tests you may wish to have during the next painful episode
[link to www.webmd.com]

(not all of the obviously)
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


WOW!

Excellent work, Zeno!

Thanks for this research!
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My niece is addicted to the stuff. She's become impossible to be around. Took all the worst aspects of her personality to the extreme
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....sweet Jesus guys, these are drugs we're dealing with, not demons out of hell.

I've been addicted to Adderall before (2 years), shame as it was a proper treatment: Doctors are just as afraid of the stuff as you all are, and I couldn't get the dose level that helped me. So I switched to Ritalin and while it is less effective, Doctors are actually willing to prescribe a proper dose.

Amphetamines are not toxic unless the dose is very high. With racemic amphetamine that level is around 120mg a day. Even at this level, any toxicity is mitigated by antioxidant consumption. Amphetamines have decades of scientific research to support their use and safety.

And by the way, ethyl alcohol and it's metabolites are more toxic than both amphetamine and methamphetamine.

What if, God forbid, the medicine is actually helping, and your friend's suffering comes from elsewhere? A brain disease genotype, for example.

Realistically addiction to stimulants is only psychological. Many people mistake proper use for "addiction".
 Quoting: pi 20063747


I'm not on it, but thank you. I agree with most if not everything you said. Also, for the record, I love to keep things civil, though I don't think that GLP a family place. That is a scary thought.
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Boy, I'LL say!

They gave me that once and I was happily cleaning every crack and crevice of my house for three days straight!

Are they classified the same? Adderall is a 5. I can't believe it's as potent as Dex.
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Hmm, I'm not sure as to which classification system you are referring, however I do know that amphetamine comes in two "forms" (isomers); dextro-rotary (right-handed) and levo-rotary (left-handed).

In the case of amphetamine, the two isomers have significantly different effects if consumed alone; dextro-amphetamine is considered the "effective" isomer, while levo-amphetamine is more peripherally active, similar to ephedrine (a chemical precursor of amphetamines).

Dexedrine is made of pure dextro-amphetamine. Adderall happens to be 75% dextro-amphetamine, with the rest composed of the less CNS-active levo-amphetamine.

So, as a rough guess, Adderall should be 75-90% as potent as Dexedrine, but as you have seen, the pure D-isomer forms do effect some people much more strongly.

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