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HOW MANY HERE TRULY BELIEVE IN LIBERTY?

 
*HEISENBERG* (OP)

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Do you have a decompensator? ;)

Seriously, OP, you need an education.

Freedom and liberty ARE NOT INTERCHANGEABLE TERMS as you use them here.

I am all for FREEDOM, but NOT LIBERTY!! Liberty is a FREEMASONIC term. Look it up!!
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lib·er·ty





Noun




1.The state of being free within society from oppressive restrictions imposed by authority on one's way of life.




free·dom





Noun




1.The power or right to act, speak, or think as one wants without hindrance or restraint.




Seem pretty close to me

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I believe in this: liberty presuppose free thinking, open minded, mature individuals who act responsible within their society and respect every other member recognizing their right to think and act different than them.

But we are talking about free thinking, open minded, mature individuals..


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Greed and the lust for power are engrained deep in human nature.Some strongly some not so much.Therfore History is destined to repeat itself.
I may just kill You for fun.
Or it may be just business.
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Greed and the lust for power are engrained deep in human nature.Some strongly some not so much.Therfore History is destined to repeat itself.
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I agree
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If you believe in anything man-made you are a weak pathetic fool.

Believe in yourself.

That's all you have at the end of the day.
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Believe in God.
You cannot save yourself.
blobr
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yes you can.
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My question is: With this poll being so lopsided, how did Obama get re elected?
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Rigged from the get go like his entire 4 years....
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My question is: With this poll being so lopsided, how did Obama get re elected?
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Rigged from the get go like his entire 4 years....
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Greed and the lust for power are engrained deep in human nature.Some strongly some not so much.Therfore History is destined to repeat itself.
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I'm not sure I entirely agree. I think most people are very willing to live and let live. Most people have a conscience. It's the ones who don't who drive and cause almost all the trouble in the world.

The psychopaths.
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Greed and the lust for power are engrained deep in human nature.Some strongly some not so much.Therfore History is destined to repeat itself.
 Quoting: RomeoKiller



I'm not sure I entirely agree. I think most people are very willing to live and let live. Most people have a conscience. It's the ones who don't who drive and cause almost all the trouble in the world.

The psychopaths.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


I hear ya, but I think greed is a natural human emotion. Some people learn to control it better, and learn that there are more important things...but it's still a part of who we are. IMO
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Wow
Just got a robo call from the DNC.They want me to call my senator and tell him to vote to change the filibuster rules so the dem majority can pass bills without opposition. Our government has forgotten how it is supposed to work.I really fear the republic is lost.
I may just kill You for fun.
Or it may be just business.
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Wow
Just got a robo call from the DNC.They want me to call my senator and tell him to vote to change the filibuster rules so the dem majority can pass bills without opposition. Our government has forgotten how it is supposed to work.I really fear the republic is lost.
 Quoting: RomeoKiller


The DNC sickens me.

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liberty ain't free.

as a libertarian, I pay a price every time I have to defend speech that I don't agree with, and may actually detest, from those that wish to limit its future use. I pay a price every time I am made to support "criminals" when the actions of the state violates the very same rights that I demand be applied to me.

how can I morally restrict the liberty, freedom, individuality of others and yet require that my liberty, freedom, and individuality be respected unquestioningly?

I may be many things, but I'm a slave to no man....

and I don't want anyone to be my slave, either.
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is an outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

- Moo!
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Greed and the lust for power are engrained deep in human nature.Some strongly some not so much.Therfore History is destined to repeat itself.
 Quoting: RomeoKiller



I'm not sure I entirely agree. I think most people are very willing to live and let live. Most people have a conscience. It's the ones who don't who drive and cause almost all the trouble in the world.

The psychopaths.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


What drives a man to a position where he can dictate how you live your life?
Or to take from you to give to another.Do you really think he does it for you.He does it to satisfy his need to control others.
It's not you or I that cause the troubles of the world.It is the ones on top the ones that feed the greed.(I knew who they where in high school should have kicked their asses then)
They call themselves our leaders.Hate to tell them.I do not need to be led I need to be represented.

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Greed and the lust for power are engrained deep in human nature.Some strongly some not so much.Therfore History is destined to repeat itself.
 Quoting: RomeoKiller



I'm not sure I entirely agree. I think most people are very willing to live and let live. Most people have a conscience. It's the ones who don't who drive and cause almost all the trouble in the world.

The psychopaths.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


What drives a man to a position where he can dictate how you live your life?
Or to take from you to give to another.Do you really think he does it for you.He does it to satisfy his need to control others.
It's not you or I that cause the troubles of the world.It is the ones on top the ones that feed the greed.
They call themselves our leaders.Hate to tell them. I do not need to be led I need to be represented.
 Quoting: RomeoKiller


This is what we have to realise first and then make them (the politicians) realise it too.
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What drives a man to a position where he can dictate how you live your life?
Or to take from you to give to another.Do you really think he does it for you.He does it to satisfy his need to control others.
It's not you or I that cause the troubles of the world.It is the ones on top the ones that feed the greed.(I knew who they where in high school should have kicked their asses then)
They call themselves our leaders.Hate to tell them.I do not need to be led I need to be represented.
 Quoting: RomeoKiller


clappa
I'm a Libertarian Constitutionalist.

I don't give a shit what you do with your own life, whether you make it a success or a failure, that is an outcome of the choices you make, but please take responsibility for yourself and don't make ME pay for YOUR choices and we're all good.

It's a flower, not something to be feared.

- Moo!
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Greed and the lust for power are engrained deep in human nature.Some strongly some not so much.Therfore History is destined to repeat itself.
 Quoting: RomeoKiller



I'm not sure I entirely agree. I think most people are very willing to live and let live. Most people have a conscience. It's the ones who don't who drive and cause almost all the trouble in the world.

The psychopaths.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


What drives a man to a position where he can dictate how you live your life?
Or to take from you to give to another.Do you really think he does it for you.He does it to satisfy his need to control others.
It's not you or I that cause the troubles of the world.It is the ones on top the ones that feed the greed.(I knew who they where in high school should have kicked their asses then)
They call themselves our leaders.Hate to tell them.I do not need to be led I need to be represented.
 Quoting: RomeoKiller


Great Great post!

cheers
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My ass is itchy

am I allowed to scratch it?
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No, you must have a properly qualified health professional do it for you.
Are you off you meds again?
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My ass is itchy

am I allowed to scratch it?
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no aussie don't scratch it. It could spread to another region. You and your boyfriend need to go to the free clinic and get it checked immediately.
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Liberty? do You know what liberty means?
You want to live under an anarchical system?

In the state of nature, liberty consists of being free from any superior power on Earth. People are not under the will or lawmaking authority of others but have only the law of nature for their rule. In political society, liberty consists of being under no other lawmaking power except that established by consent in the commonwealth. People are free from the dominion of any will or legal restraint apart from that enacted by their own constituted lawmaking power according to the trust put in it. Thus, freedom is not as Sir Robert Filmer defines it: ‘A liberty for everyone to do what he likes, to live as he pleases, and not to be tied by any laws.’ Freedom is constrained by laws in both the state of nature and political society. Freedom of nature is to be under no other restraint but the law of nature. Freedom of people under government is to be under no restraint apart from standing rules to live by that are common to everyone in the society and made by the lawmaking power established in it. Persons have a right or liberty to (1) follow their own will in all things that the law has not prohibited and (2) not be subject to the inconstant, uncertain, unknown, and arbitrary wills of others.” [1]

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Greed and the lust for power are engrained deep in human nature.Some strongly some not so much.Therfore History is destined to repeat itself.
 Quoting: RomeoKiller



I'm not sure I entirely agree. I think most people are very willing to live and let live. Most people have a conscience. It's the ones who don't who drive and cause almost all the trouble in the world.

The psychopaths.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


I hear ya, but I think greed is a natural human emotion. Some people learn to control it better, and learn that there are more important things...but it's still a part of who we are. IMO
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


Greed is ever present. One of the most important things I've learned is to expect people to act in their own self interest. Which is one reason not to believe politicians who claim to be noble and selfless. They are lying.

Power over our lives is what they want,the more the better. And for some reason people love to give them what they want.

I still believe that psychopaths and related moral degenerates who gravitate to positions of power are the cause of nearly all the trouble in the world.

Normal people can't fight them because they can't see or believe it.
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Greed and the lust for power are engrained deep in human nature.Some strongly some not so much.Therfore History is destined to repeat itself.
 Quoting: RomeoKiller



I'm not sure I entirely agree. I think most people are very willing to live and let live. Most people have a conscience. It's the ones who don't who drive and cause almost all the trouble in the world.

The psychopaths.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


I hear ya, but I think greed is a natural human emotion. Some people learn to control it better, and learn that there are more important things...but it's still a part of who we are. IMO
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


Greed is ever present. One of the most important things I've learned is to expect people to act in their own self interest. Which is one reason not to believe politicians who claim to be noble and selfless. They are lying.

Power over our lives is what they want,the more the better. And for some reason people love to give them what they want.

I still believe that psychopaths and related moral degenerates who gravitate to positions of power are the cause of nearly all the trouble in the world.

Normal people can't fight them because they can't see or believe it.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


I completely agree.

Good post!
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I'm not sure I entirely agree. I think most people are very willing to live and let live. Most people have a conscience. It's the ones who don't who drive and cause almost all the trouble in the world.

The psychopaths.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


I hear ya, but I think greed is a natural human emotion. Some people learn to control it better, and learn that there are more important things...but it's still a part of who we are. IMO
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


Greed is ever present. One of the most important things I've learned is to expect people to act in their own self interest. Which is one reason not to believe politicians who claim to be noble and selfless. They are lying.

Power over our lives is what they want,the more the better. And for some reason people love to give them what they want.

I still believe that psychopaths and related moral degenerates who gravitate to positions of power are the cause of nearly all the trouble in the world.

Normal people can't fight them because they can't see or believe it.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


I completely agree.

Good post!
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


So true, total lack of empathy as in zero, beyond evil if any could comprehend that, just look at Bolshevik Revolution, WWI, WW II, 9/11, yes psychopaths like a cancerous tumor upon the earth.
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I hear ya, but I think greed is a natural human emotion. Some people learn to control it better, and learn that there are more important things...but it's still a part of who we are. IMO
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


Greed is ever present. One of the most important things I've learned is to expect people to act in their own self interest. Which is one reason not to believe politicians who claim to be noble and selfless. They are lying.

Power over our lives is what they want,the more the better. And for some reason people love to give them what they want.

I still believe that psychopaths and related moral degenerates who gravitate to positions of power are the cause of nearly all the trouble in the world.

Normal people can't fight them because they can't see or believe it.
 Quoting: s. d. butler


I completely agree.

Good post!
 Quoting: *HEISENBERG*


So true, total lack of empathy as in zero, beyond evil if any could comprehend that, just look at Bolshevik Revolution, WWI, WW II, 9/11, yes psychopaths like a cancerous tumor upon the earth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 3237752


ohyeah

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