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Did parents of Sandy Hook shooting victims identify their bodies?

 
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Who in the hell would want to identify their child after being shot with that kind of weapon? I would not! I would believe what they told me. You people are really nut cases!
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NO loving, caring parent would just believe what they're told - they would HAVE to see to believe - for closure.
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I would rather see my child dead and mangled, than go the rest of my life WONDERING if they really were in that casket and if not, where they are and what is happening to them.

THAT would drive me insane.

ALso, they say the shooter shot all these kids in the face.

Soooo...he gets them to look up and him and smile so he can shoot them in the face? Everyone knows that when he started shooting that you cover your face and curl up.

So how did he get all these kids to look at him so he could shoot them in the face at point blank range??

TORO CACA!!!!!!!!!!!
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Also, when you shoot someone in the face, they fall to the floor (and most likely not face up), how could the shooter shoot each child in the face multiple times and why?
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That seems logical . . . horrible, but logical.

Just another piece of the convoluted puzzle.
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Once again people just talking crap! Ever had a child drug out from a wreck? Murdered? Talk your talk. It isn't that easy! I hope you will never have to experience the death of your child by whatever means.
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I recall reading that Emmett Till, murdered in Mississippi in 1955, was brought back to Chicago and his mother insisted that there be an open casket to show people what barbarism was unleashed on him.

Seems that if a statement was definitively to be made on this issue, a lot of parents would be looking to Mamie Till's brave decision.
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An excellent point!
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As far as I know, that is completely illegal. The parents have a right to see the bodies. BIZARRE!
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As far as I know, that is completely illegal. The parents have a right to see the bodies. BIZARRE!
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As far as I know, that is completely illegal. The parents have a right to see the bodies. BIZARRE!
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We are being lied too...

That is important...

They have lied and they have to tell more lies to try and cover up those lies...

It was the father , no it was Ryan, no it was Adam...

The principal buzzed him in cuz she recognized him as teachers son...

Principal was dead... Quoted in the newspaper, dead...

Didn't buzz him in he shot is way in...

Wasn't teachers son cuz mother wasn't a teacher...

We are being lied too..

Hysterical frantic lying...

A torrent of lies...

He had two handguns, the rifle was in car.... Wait rifle was in school...

There were 3 other rifles and a shotgun... Where? We can't give out that info... Oh of course because DETAILS have been so hard to come by...

Lies...

Now the words these liars say can't be trusted... NOTHING they say can be trusted...

The TRUTH IS They will lie about whatever they have too now...

Because they have too now...

I deny this... Story... This lie...

Where are the two ppl that we're taken into custody?

You know what forget it... Since you will just lie to me...

I will come to my own truth...
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Who in the hell would want to identify their child after being shot with that kind of weapon? I would not! I would believe what they told me. You people are really nut cases!
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NO loving, caring parent would just believe what they're told - they would HAVE to see to believe - for closure.
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I had a friend with a .223 in Missouri about 1985, and it was kind of new to us, and we went shooting at his cabin, and I was not so impressed with any power it may have had, it was basically just like shooting a .22. And you can't have it both ways:

a) either the rounds had penetration power, and didn't do much damage to bodies, or
b) the rounds had no penetration power, and did do a little damage to the exit (not the entrance).

All in all, Ted Kaczynski was correct - and the madness will only continue until humanity self-destructs from its use of usury in its greed and lusts on a planet without a square inch of humanity or a square inch of nature. The worst is yet to come, and the survivors will be destitute for endless generations on a plundered planet.

Anyway, thanks GLPers, I mostly read, because you say all that needs to be said.
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Did any of the parents of the shooting victims see their child's body?

Could you post a link to this info? I have no agenda. I just can't find this out via search.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 1478493


OP -

I posted a thread last night about the couple interviewed by Anderson Cooper and it was deleted . . . why, not sure.

But in the interview, the couple was laughing, absolutely NO sadness, no tears or emotion - very straightforward.

Cooper said something like "it must have been hard not to have been able to see her" . . . and they said yes, but it was ok because they wanted to remember her as she was, something about how she always wore a bow or barrette in her hair, etc.

So it seemed to indicate that it was not these parents who CHOSE not to see her, they were not allowed to see her and decided that was ok.

They talked about the white casket, they took things she loved into the room, spent time there, and then left.

I made that post because, as a parent, I simply could not fathom ANY parent accepting being denied the right to see their murdered child.

It's one thing to CHOOSE, it's quite another to be denied.

If a parent did not see them, they would NEVER know if they were really murdered in that way, or if their bodies were even there. It's horrible.

Those children were allegedly murdered, their bodies were left in the schoolroom for an extended time, and then parents don't even see them . . . ?! That is appalling.

And the fact that so many of the parents show no emotion, do interviews, wave to cameras, and seem perfectly fine with not having the option to see their children is all very telling and disturbing, very disturbing.
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So agree that was the strangest interview I had chills listening and watching that mother. What is going on here?
 Quoting: allisaTX


I don't know, but that interview was indeed strange . . . I also pointed out in my post that was deleted that I find it incredible that a mother who lost her precious little daughter - in any way but especially a brutal murder - could actually fix her hair, do her make-up, put on jewelry - did you notice that?! I would not be able to function, much less get all made up and do an interview!
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^^^^^^^^ This X 1000!!!
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No one wants to see their child like that. My imagination is often worse than reality - I would need to see my child or there would be no chance of real closure.
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That is what I too think. I would not have closure.
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What you would have is a vision in your brain that would haunt you for the rest of your life. The Coroner said that each child had five to 11 gunshot wounds. Besides that, did you ever see a person who is dead? Depending on the circumstances obviously, but the best will be a person who kind of resembles your loved one but looks extremely weird and it's very surreal. So these children will look like that plus be riddled with gunshot holes.

By law a person has to be identified by someone. I would insist that a relative do so.

When I lost two close relatives, one young and the other one fairly young, the Coroner asked me if I wanted to identify the bodies. I froze. My aunt stepped in and said no, that she'll do it. She went through a door with the assistant looking like my aunt, and came out barely recognizable. It was the shock and grief of what she saw that changed her.
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You should just go ahead and change your handle to "TooCowardlyToHandleTheTruth".
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Once again people just talking crap! Ever had a child drug out from a wreck? Murdered? Talk your talk. It isn't that easy! I hope you will never have to experience the death of your child by whatever means.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30367507


EASY? Who said it was easy?

What would be even harder is taking some dipshit fatass cop's word that my child was dead. Or some useless politician.

Oh HELL TO THE NO! I'm going to KNOW the truth.

No it wouldn't be easy.

It's every parent's second worst nightmare.
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As a relative of one of the little boys, YES.

If you wanted to see utterly destroyed human beings, you should have been with one of them at the morgue.

And a big FUCK YOU for that fucking question.
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I'm sorry for your pain. Thank you for answering.
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could not find any info on this poster JanJan. perhaps I am not doing it right.
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I could do a hand or foot, but not a mangled face.
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You are all MISSING THE POINT!!!!

The question is:

Were parents NOT ALLOWED to identify the bodies?

If so, that is a RED FLAG!!!

It means they did not want the parents to see something, as in evidence.

The shills keep spewing their nonsense about kids with faces blown off which is NOT true with .223 bullets. However, that is a pure distraction anyway.
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IF they were shot in the face, the entrance wounds are small holes!!!

But that is a big IF.

It's clear they did not want the parents to see any evidence.
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You are all MISSING THE POINT!!!!

The question is:

Were parents NOT ALLOWED to identify the bodies?

If so, that is a RED FLAG!!!

It means they did not want the parents to see something, as in evidence.

The shills keep spewing their nonsense about kids with faces blown off which is NOT true with .223 bullets. However, that is a pure distraction anyway.

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You have made the most sense. Thank you.
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OP -

I posted a thread last night about the couple interviewed by Anderson Cooper and it was deleted . . . why, not sure.

But in the interview, the couple was laughing, absolutely NO sadness, no tears or emotion - very straightforward.

Cooper said something like "it must have been hard not to have been able to see her" . . . and they said yes, but it was ok because they wanted to remember her as she was, something about how she always wore a bow or barrette in her hair, etc.

So it seemed to indicate that it was not these parents who CHOSE not to see her, they were not allowed to see her and decided that was ok.

They talked about the white casket, they took things she loved into the room, spent time there, and then left.

I made that post because, as a parent, I simply could not fathom ANY parent accepting being denied the right to see their murdered child.

It's one thing to CHOOSE, it's quite another to be denied.

If a parent did not see them, they would NEVER know if they were really murdered in that way, or if their bodies were even there. It's horrible.

Those children were allegedly murdered, their bodies were left in the schoolroom for an extended time, and then parents don't even see them . . . ?! That is appalling.

And the fact that so many of the parents show no emotion, do interviews, wave to cameras, and seem perfectly fine with not having the option to see their children is all very telling and disturbing, very disturbing.
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So agree that was the strangest interview I had chills listening and watching that mother. What is going on here?
 Quoting: allisaTX


I don't know, but that interview was indeed strange . . . I also pointed out in my post that was deleted that I find it incredible that a mother who lost her precious little daughter - in any way but especially a brutal murder - could actually fix her hair, do her make-up, put on jewelry - did you notice that?! I would not be able to function, much less get all made up and do an interview!
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^^^^^^^^ This X 1000!!!
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That interview with AC was very telling and disturbing.
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Noah Pozner's mom was also able to view his beautiful little face: [link to www.nytimes.com]
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Anyone else see him?

The story says the mother went there and viewed his body.
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Third person account, NOT from the parent's mouth.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30355898


This was written in the NYT, which of course is a piece of garbage, but that's besides the point. If it wasn't true the mother would have heard it by now and the Rabbi would have been discredited. I haven't seen the mother dispute this.

Once the bodies are released to the funeral homes there is no reason that they can't see them there.

What all these threads are doing isn't any better than the MSM was doing that first day: Suppositions, guesses, assumptions, pure theories.
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Just because you/we have not seen the mother contravening the NYT allegation does not mean she is not denying it.
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Everyone mourns differently.
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Most folks would not necessarily have to see the alleged wounds to identify a body.

Most people have a mole, or a birth-mark or something about their body that would ONLY be identifiable to the Parent or Guardian.

So, as far as being "too gruesom", I'm not buying it.

Besides everyone has a different tolerance for viewing traumatic scenes.

Someone with a medical background, Nurse, Orderly, or Nurse Assistant could deal with it. I'm sure that out of that number of alleged victims there was at least one of those as a parent or family member?

Or perhaps someone with combat experience in the military?
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You are all MISSING THE POINT!!!!

The question is:

Were parents NOT ALLOWED to identify the bodies?

If so, that is a RED FLAG!!!

It means they did not want the parents to see something, as in evidence.

The shills keep spewing their nonsense about kids with faces blown off which is NOT true with .223 bullets. However, that is a pure distraction anyway.

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You have made the most sense. Thank you.
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Absolutely. How do we find this out? I really think we as a country need to know if the parents were NOT allowed to see their children.
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Once again people just talking crap! Ever had a child drug out from a wreck? Murdered? Talk your talk. It isn't that easy! I hope you will never have to experience the death of your child by whatever means.
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I recall reading that Emmett Till, murdered in Mississippi in 1955, was brought back to Chicago and his mother insisted that there be an open casket to show people what barbarism was unleashed on him.

Seems that if a statement was definitively to be made on this issue, a lot of parents would be looking to Mamie Till's brave decision.

Two things really stike me as odd about this: 1) the long time that the corpses were kept in the school (if it was all in a few rooms, it would have been easy to photograph & plot...and what did it matter, as there would not be a trial, with the shooter dear), and 2) these reports that the parents were not allowed to view or identify their dead children.
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Yeah, not to be gross, but the human body begins to decompose pretty quickly after death. 20 or so bodies decomposing, even for 24 to 48 hours is going to be pretty disgusting. That's actually the first thing that came to mind when I heard they weren't releasing the bodies that day.
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The parents were taken one by one (or as couples, mother and father) to the room within the school to identify each child. It is my understanding that officials had a qualified list of who was who before the parents were led in. Of course, this was to be sure parents only viewed their children.

Parents were also given the option to see their child again at the morgue...

It is my understanding the bodies needed to be identified before moving.

"By late last night, parents were being called one at a time to make identifications" ~ newyorkdailynews
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The parents were taken one by one (or as couples, mother and father) to the room within the school to identify each child. It is my understanding that officials had a qualified list of who was who before the parents were led in. Of course, this was to be sure parents only viewed their children.

Parents were also given the option to see their child again at the morgue...

It is my understanding the bodies needed to be identified before moving.
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Baloney. You made all of this up out of your sick head!

The Official Story is that parents identified their children only from photos.

[link to usnews.nbcnews.com]
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They took photos of their faces and then showed the pictures to families of the 12 girls and eight boys, all first graders. “It’s easier on the families when you do this,” Carver said.
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[link to newtown.patch.com]
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Relatives identified their loved ones not in person but by photos taken of the victims’ faces, Carver said.

“We did not bring the bodies and families into contact, we took pictures of them, of their facial features,” he said.
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just to double check,
[link to www.dailymail.co.uk]

and there are several other available news sources which site the way the children were identified.
Google, "parents taken inside school to identify bodies"


I did however, find one source claiming the parents were shown pictures taken inside the school, and asked to identify them that way.

Only one source said this, and it was written the day of the shooting.... and as everyone here has (beaten it to officially done, through multiple threads about a conspiracy with a purpose....I simply cannot wrap my head around) details changed rapidly early on.

so there u have it.... yes, the parents had to see their children after the fact. I just pray for them, that none of them have had any cause to accidentally come across all the garbage posted on this site about their murder..... and the notion it was pre-planned by the government, or some other secret society for the greater purpose.... of what? I dunno. Libor? mind control testing? an Israeli death squad in the USA because their bullying in Washington has failed? the Batman movie predicted it, Hunger Games movie predicted it, Obama orchestrated the shootings in Newtown and Aurora to force Cerebus to Sell Bushmaster, A Secret Society Used The Hunger Games as a Model in Drugging Adam Lanza to Carry Out a Mass Killing to Provide the Pretext to Take Away Our Freedoms, a connection between the chosen name of "Super Storm Sandy" and Sandy Hook Elementary, Strike points line up to make a pentagram...... on and on....

"As with every tragedy that takes place in America these days, it didn't take long for "truthers," racists, and other fringe people to concoct conspiracy theories about the Sandy Hook massacre — myths that would be laughable if they weren't so offensive." ~ AtlanticWire
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Just The Facts

1.The average conspiracy theorist will argue with NASA, Nobel-prize winners and every expert in the world despite having fewer qualifications than the average fry cook.
2.Conspiracy theorists view logical argument as cheating.
3.Like pissing fetishes and tentacle rape comics, conspiracy theories are a problem made much worse by the Internet.
4.Never assume malice when incompetence will do.

An Ego Issue

Conspiracy theorists divide the world into "Everyone even remotely involved/qualified vs. Me," and decide that they'll win single-handedly. They're like Rambo with bullshit instead of bullets.

They tend to enjoy the ego-boost that comes with thinking of oneself as the only intelligent objector in a world of sheeple. When the government has to spend billions of dollars shuttling Elvis from Roswell to the Bermuda Triangle and back in black helicopters before you can feel good about yourself, you've got to be pretty tragic.
Shadowy Organizations

Conspiracy theorists believe the world is run by schizophrenic shadowy organizations who - despite conspiring with millions in perfect silence - can't resist putting clues in things like major public monuments and every note of currency ever printed. Making the average Batman villain look like Professor Moriarty.

At the last count the world was secretly being run by the Illuminati, Knights Templar, Freemasons, Trilateral commission, New World Order, Skull & Bones society, Bilderberg group, Nine Unknown Men and the ever-popular Jews. It's unknown whether they all vote on various issues or just ask Dan Brown whose turn it is each week. Conspiracy theorists honestly believe that these invisible elites have run thousands of years of history but are incapable of killing someone who lives in a basement and shouts on street corners.

Conspiracy Theorist Abilities

Conspiracy theorists display incredible attention to detail, an even more incredible ability to ignore details they don't like, obsessive focus and a complete absence of social skills.


Am I saying there are NO conspiracies? no, of course not. What I am saying is most times there is no evidence, proof is mere speculation, and logic is straight out the window. Where there is true conspiracy, there is truth to be sited.

I wish this website would leave this particular issue alone already. Sandy Hook was a tragedy..... period. The the parents and community heal.
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Fucking assholes...they don't own these bodies...

[link to www.huffingtonpost.ca]

Her Canadian-born father, Gilles Rousseau, told Radio-Canada that he wanted to see his daughter's body but was informed by authorities that it would not be possible.

In a tearful interview, he said the rounds used were so powerful that they ripped through the school's walls and left several holes in his daughter's car outside in the parking lot.

"They told me, 'You can't see (the body),'" Gilles Rousseau told Radio-Canada, the French-language CBC. "Because most people he shot, it was two or three shots in the face, point-blank."
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Point blank would cause least amount of visual damage from the front - just small hole - most damage would be from exit wound.
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any news on this stuff?
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Fucking assholes...they don't own these bodies...

[link to www.huffingtonpost.ca]

Her Canadian-born father, Gilles Rousseau, told Radio-Canada that he wanted to see his daughter's body but was informed by authorities that it would not be possible.

In a tearful interview, he said the rounds used were so powerful that they ripped through the school's walls and left several holes in his daughter's car outside in the parking lot.

"They told me, 'You can't see (the body),'" Gilles Rousseau told Radio-Canada, the French-language CBC. "Because most people he shot, it was two or three shots in the face, point-blank."
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Thank you for posting this.
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WHAT?
So that means basically that "everyone" was shot in the face? That is just a little too weird. Were they tired and bound forward facing? The human response would be to duck/cover/huddle once the first shots were fired .... and a random let loose barrage "just happened" to take everyones face off? Including the mother? Something very very suspicious about this .... bsflagbsflagbsflagbsflag

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