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Marine fossils found 4000m above sea level in Peru: nice to see the sea high up there

 
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Fits the expanding Earth scenario quite well, doesn't it...

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YOu do relise why Earth expands do you ?

Theres about 0.5-1 cm space debres raining down on our head per year.

So they would be burried below 4km crpa rather then be found if that where true Oo.
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unless it is expanding from the inside...

The internal micro Sun is about to get a new influx of energy from the Galactic center and is expanding...

Watch the Sun we will all experience Earth's expansion pretty soon...

We still have a ways to go to get to the Magnetic ribbon or fluff, if you will, and the newly found "super" highway to the magnetic center of our galaxy...

Get ready for the ride...

rockon
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I can belive in many theories like aliens and stuff but i hardly can belive the hollow earth theori it just doesn´t seem plausible.

Earth had to be far larger if it had a central star and woul fit in the category of a dyson sphere [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Can't be any less plausible than a 1000 mile ball of molten iron sloshing around and creating plate tectonics as it spins and wobbles...

Molten iron loses its magnetic properties...

The internal Sun will be getting a "recharge" from the galactic center via our own Sun which will cause it to expand and the Earth has to expand to contain the Micro Sun's new mass...

Just a thought...

Yes I remember when Scotty was stuck in the transporter of the shuttle for 20 yrs outside of the Dyson sphere in ST:TNG...great show by the way...

Cz

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Re: Marine fossils found 4000m above sea level in Peru: nice to see the sea high up there
I have personally - with my own hands and eyeballs - found fossilized shells at 6000 feet in Colorado.
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God was invented because feeble minds couldn't comprehend or explain things like lightening, mountains, evolution, and other areas that science has eventually evolved to, or is evolving to, explain.

Grasp on to your mythical omnipotent ghost if that is safer for you.
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Re: Marine fossils found 4000m above sea level in Peru: nice to see the sea high up there
ALL Mountains were flat land at one point, millions of years ago. I bet the fossils are millions of years old too.
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im guessing 12k years old
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YOu do relise why Earth expands do you ?

Theres about 0.5-1 cm space debres raining down on our head per year.

So they would be burried below 4km crpa rather then be found if that where true Oo.
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unless it is expanding from the inside...

The internal micro Sun is about to get a new influx of energy from the Galactic center and is expanding...

Watch the Sun we will all experience Earth's expansion pretty soon...

We still have a ways to go to get to the Magnetic ribbon or fluff, if you will, and the newly found "super" highway to the magnetic center of our galaxy...

Get ready for the ride...

rockon
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I can belive in many theories like aliens and stuff but i hardly can belive the hollow earth theori it just doesn´t seem plausible.

Earth had to be far larger if it had a central star and woul fit in the category of a dyson sphere [link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Can't be any less plausible than a 1000 mile ball of molten iron sloshing around and creating plate tectonics as it spins and wobbles...

Molten iron loses its magnetic properties...

The internal Sun will be getting a "recharge" from the galactic center via our own Sun which will cause it to expand and the Earth has to expand to contain the Micro Sun's new mass...

Just a thought...

Yes I remember when Scotty was stuck in the transporter of the shuttle for 20 yrs outside of the Dyson sphere in ST:TNG...great show by the way...

Cz

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I have personally - with my own hands and eyeballs - found fossilized shells at 6000 feet in Colorado.
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there are examples of hats and other man-made things fossilized under the right conditions... implying you don't need thousands or millions of years for fossilization to occur...

in fact, for fish fossils to form, especially w other fish in their mouths--like the frozen mammoths in Russia w grass still in their mouths--implies some rapid event...

check the locations of those fossils... a lot of them show signs of being swept along by water, as appears to be the case w dinosaurs...

and I still challenge anyone to confront the issue of giants...clear evidence I posted earlier of cover-up by smithsonian...

and dino fossils w viable red blood cells, again implying NOT millions of years... plus the stones carved w dino images and men...

ho-hum...

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It's common in Arizona to find fossils above 6,000 ft. elevation. In fact most of Arizona was under water at one time. The Hopi rez which is at 6,000 ft. plus, is no more than a beach. Here is a video I did of Hopi petroglyph that show what I'm talking about.

[link to www.youtube.com]

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Re: Marine fossils found 4000m above sea level in Peru: nice to see the sea high up there
Iron Does not have any magnetic properties you induce it trough energy input.

You can destory a magnet if you throw it to the ground or melt it or shock the metal in anyway.

But you also can create a magnet from iron if you induce energy like in a electro magnet you also can align iron isotopes in a magnetic orientation this orientation can again be destoryed if you shock the iron again etc.

So the theory about a iron core in the earth is pretty plausible you can easily prove it with a piece of iron a copper wire and a battery.
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Re: Marine fossils found 4000m above sea level in Peru: nice to see the sea high up there
If land can move up 4000 ft, or even more, it can move down 4000 ft or more, also.

For a fish fossil to be found on this soil, means, it didn't had the time to adapt to new conditions.

That means, that the change was very, how do you say, abrupt, instant, maybe days, a month ?

Things can change from one day to the other on this earth, if earth decides ... .
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God was invented because feeble minds couldn't comprehend or explain things like lightening, mountains, evolution, and other areas that science has eventually evolved to, or is evolving to, explain.

Grasp on to your mythical omnipotent ghost if that is safer for you.
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i used to think this, or at least have a more general understanding of the notion of God...

once I got through covering a large number of occult aspects... like the fact that tptb worship lucifer... read albert pike for more on this...

and that many people, from "abductees" to former members of the occult all say the same thing: Jesus Christ is the only way out...

I mean dudes working at the higher positions in IBM, like Mark Cleminson... and the cover-up of the huge number of cases of people being harassed by the abduction phenomenon, calling on Christ to be saved...

then you have the Shroud of Turin BBC documentary that came out last year ( [link to www.youtube.com] topic alone and the two excellent docs explaining it are quite profound...

plus cover-up of giants--even Lincoln and Washington knew about the skeletons uncovered across America: [link to www.youtube.com]

well, the list goes on...and on...

:)

Thread: Shaking Spears Consciousness--that's what's up... :)
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this thread may be another example... waiting for someone to come in w some good data...

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this thread may be another example... waiting for someone to come in w some good data...

:)
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this thread may be another example... waiting for someone to come in w some good data...

:)
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[link to www.eearthk.com]

The fossil record is full of animals that could not survive in today's gravity: Arthropods bigger than humans (3-ft long dragonflies, 2m millipedes, 2.5m-long sea scorpion[3], and so on) and the dinosaurs (350lb flying creatures, enormous sauropods, etc.). It does not seem possible they could make it in today's world. Yet somehow, they used to. A smaller Earth would explain reduced gravity.
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Re: Marine fossils found 4000m above sea level in Peru: nice to see the sea high up there
There are ruins far up in the mountains all over SA...Even complete cities that had ports and docks. This is well known; but not by the avg person. That alone is pretty scary to think about. I love this story because it just adds to it.

Even like how not many still realize for a good while the pyramids were surrounded by ocean.

Or the fact on the other end there have to date been 250!!!! Cities found in the ocean. How many societies have we never even heard of that were probably huge players. (Even the biggest) at one time.

They recently just announced finding that society that was way before Sumeria. That alone is a huge change to the books.
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Don't think of it as being that the water was above the land where the land is now. Think of it as land rising out of the water as the planet changed.
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clappa land rises more than seas rise
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omg guys you have no basic knowledge in geology...

this is what you have to understand for your marine fossils in mountains:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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Maybe there's something to this global flood story that we hear about from hundreds of cultures and the Bible? hmmmm
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Nope.

Those mountains and hills didn't always exist. They take hundreds of thousands of years to form. A long time ago those mountains were the flat sea bed.
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+10 brain points for everyone knowing that mountains are formed and rise naturally over the course of time.
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omg guys you have no basic knowledge in geology...

this is what you have to understand for your marine fossils in mountains:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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this is one of those chaps that lives in Platos cave - given facts and views are reality

Inside the cave

In Plato's fictional dialogue, Socrates begins by describing a scenario in which what people take to be real would in fact be an illusion. He asks Glaucon to imagine a cave inhabited by prisoners who have been chained and held immobile since childhood: not only are their legs (but not arms) held in place, but their necks are also fixed, so they are compelled to gaze at a wall in front of them. Behind the prisoners is an enormous fire, and between the fire and the prisoners is a raised walkway, along which people walk carrying things on their heads "including figures of men and animals made of wood, stone and other materials". The prisoners cannot see the raised walkway or the people walking, but they watch the shadows cast by the men, not knowing they are shadows. There are also echoes off the wall from the noise produced from the walkway.

Socrates suggests the prisoners would take the shadows to be real things and the echoes to be real sounds created by the shadows, not just reflections of reality, since they are all they had ever seen or heard. They would praise as clever, whoever could best guess which shadow would come next, as someone who understood the nature of the world, and the whole of their society would depend on the shadows on the wall.

Release from the cave
Allegory of the Cave. Left (From top to bottom): Sun; Natural things; Shadows of natural things; Fire; Artificial objects; Shadows of artificial objects; Analogy level.
Right (From top to bottom): "Good" idea, Ideas, Mathematical objects, Light, Creatures and Objects, Image, Metaphor of the sun and the Analogy of the divided line.

Socrates then supposes that a prisoner is freed and permitted to stand up. If someone were to show him the things that had cast the shadows, he would not recognize them for what they were and could not name them; he would believe the shadows on the wall to be more real than what he sees.

"Suppose further," Socrates says, "that the man was compelled to look at the fire: wouldn't he be struck blind and try to turn his gaze back toward the shadows, as toward what he can see clearly and hold to be real? What if someone forcibly dragged such a man upward, out of the cave: wouldn't the man be angry at the one doing this to him? And if dragged all the way out into the sunlight, wouldn't he be distressed and unable to see "even one of the things now said to be true" because he was blinded by the light?

After some time on the surface, however, the freed prisoner would acclimate. He would see more and more things around him, until he could look upon the Sun. He would understand that the Sun is the "source of the seasons and the years, and is the steward of all things in the visible place, and is in a certain way the cause of all those things he and his companions had been seeing" (516b–c). (See also Plato's metaphor of the Sun, which occurs near the end of The Republic, Book VI.

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This planet is in constant transformation. We have been lucky so far in regards to Earth changes and catastrophic events, but we can't expect this golden run to go on forever.
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Cataclysmic geology is always ridiculed by mainstream science since it flies in the face of a "comfortable" and slowly changing world we live in. All you need to do is look carefully at our world and discoveries like this to see that this world is anything but predictable and "safe".
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That's so 19th century.

Why are those that hate science so ignorant of it?
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Why are those that are God-haters so ignorant of Him? Please do tell us about the way of the universe thousands and thousands of years before you were born to typical and common means...You know nothing.
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Wow... do you Christians ever actually read your bible or did you completely give up after Sunday School?

From Genesis:

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

Did he wave a magic God wand, or did he move things on the planet in such a way that this could happen?

God is nothing if not expertly scientific.

You really believe that he doesn't have methods of creating life in ways across the ENTIRE UNIVERSE that follow some sort of a pattern?

If you reject science, as it is understood by our feeble minds, and embrace only religion - then you reject an essential aspect of God's handiwork.

Likewise, if you reject Religion, as it is understood by our feeble minds, and embrace only science - then you reject an essential aspect of God's handiwork.

Wow. Seriously. Not that hard.

Why is it not possible that both science and religion have a slightly twisted view of evolution, but that evolution - in and of itself, makes perfect sense.

Does it really matter so much how God goes about getting things done - shouldn't we just rest assured that he does?
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Mt. Hermon has 3 peaks, its where the "fallen angels" decended......

The 3 eyptian pyramids are a "memorial" of Mt. Hermon

Mt Hermon is at 33 long/lat

The "fallen angels" produced hybrid children animal/reptile human babies. Remember the cherubim also had animal faces, the have the dna in them of many creatures.

The sphinx and hieroglyph's are of actual "gods" that existed in egypt, hybrid children. I thinketh the "reptilian" bloodlines consider themselves to be the living decendens of those who landed on mt hermon.Perhaps somehow survived the flood/s.

Most dinosaurs were plant eaters and lived amoungst men, they had their territory, men had theirs, even the chinese have stories of "dragons" remeber "dinosaur" is a fancy word for giant reptile - dragons -- not millions of yours ago......

The earth is no more than 6-12,000 years old, dont put your trust in "carbon dating" the same scientist and "leaders" who want to take you gun away, poison your food supply, dontrol and tax you to death, why trust them on anything else?
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Wow... do you Christians ever actually read your bible or did you completely give up after Sunday School?

From Genesis:

9 And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. 10 God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

Did he wave a magic God wand, or did he move things on the planet in such a way that this could happen?

God is nothing if not expertly scientific.

You really believe that he doesn't have methods of creating life in ways across the ENTIRE UNIVERSE that follow some sort of a pattern?

If you reject science, as it is understood by our feeble minds, and embrace only religion - then you reject an essential aspect of God's handiwork.

Likewise, if you reject Religion, as it is understood by our feeble minds, and embrace only science - then you reject an essential aspect of God's handiwork.

Wow. Seriously. Not that hard.

Why is it not possible that both science and religion have a slightly twisted view of evolution, but that evolution - in and of itself, makes perfect sense.

Does it really matter so much how God goes about getting things done - shouldn't we just rest assured that he does?
 Quoting: CuriousUniverse


If there is a god, he is really an alien.

I think we should tell people the truth, that humans have lived five times prior to this time over millions of years. Each time was defined by a catastrophe ending a round - a new round starting from those who survived by planned effort. Those that started the new rounds were deemed as god like as they did indeed start the populous again.

What we see in the geological record is evidence of past catastrophies and survival pods e.g. pyraminds and underground cities such as Derinkuyu.

People who cannot believe this do indeed live in Plato's cave!!
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+10 brain points for everyone knowing that mountains are formed and rise naturally over the course of time.
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"course of time" is the paradaigm that is flawed. Uncomprehendible spans of time can be used to explain anything. Even horses turning into humans and turtles and cats!

Also, at all cost people - despite the fossil record. NEVER EVER acknowledge even the POSSIBILITY of a world wide flood. Could be pretty humbling for god-haters.
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The Great Grand Canyon has had more than one single erosion, more than 17 seperate floodings and erosions have come and gone through the Grand Canyon. Floodings occured from the earth's tilting from the passing of the Planet X's 3,600 periodic pass and the resulting erosion as the effects of the magnetic Planet X (23 times the size of earth)diminish. The polar tundra gives up its bounty of bones and other animalian imprints to the observant paleontologist and his investigating staff in Turkey, Peru, China and Mongolia.
Nancy Lieder and Gordon James Gianninoto claim that the earth will soon feel the coming effects of the PX's passing. Already 3 planets are now tilted on their axes as a result of PX's planetary magnetic pull.
[link to www.thewholeagenda.com/apps/podcast/podcast/277279]
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The Snake River cuts across a mountain range rather than following the valley, the only logical explanation is that it is a crack rather than erosion.
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This is common ,mountains form overtime from folding and faulting and the forces of erosion this is common geography people
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[link to www.andina.com.pe]

Marine fossils found in southern Peru

Chivay, Dec. 19 (ANDINA). Marine fossils were found 4,000 meters above sea level in the province of Caylloma, in Peru’s southern region of Arequipa, Mayor Elmer Caceres said.

Forty fossils, such as winkles, shells, limpets and turtle shells were found.

Caceres urged Arequipa's Regional Directorate to do some research in the area to determine scientifically the fossils' age.

The exact location has not been announced yet to prevent looting.

The fossils, which were discovered by a group of farmers from Caylloma, remain in the town hall and authorities expect to find a museum to display these pieces.

(END) RMC/JOT/RZZ/MOC

Once the ages of the fossils is known, we can then know that the moutains were under the sea at that time
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They age the fossils based on the sediment, which they age based on the fossils. It is totally circular non sense logic and we will never know the true age of the rock, just some made up number that supports whatever theory is scientifically fashionable at the given time.
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OP, have even bothered to calculate what additional volume of water would be needed to flood the entire surface of the Earth to a depth 4,000 feet above present sea level. Where did all that extra water go when the flood subsided.

To really begin to understand the absurdity of your hypothesis consider that fossils of marine creatures have been found at about the 25,500 ft. level on Mt. Everest. If as you expect us to believe those fossils were placed there by a global flood where did the volume of water needed to flood the entire surface of the planet Earth to a height 4.83 miles above present sea level go when the flood subsided? Gimnme a damn break.


It never ceases to amaze me how desparate religitard holy rollers are to use pseudocience to "prove" their religious beliefs or how constantly they demand that everyone else profess to share their beliefs. To me they present themselves as very insecure frightened people.

I believe in God and I give thanks unto it that I arrived at that decision after decades of study and thought. I especially give thanks that I do not need the agreement of anyone else to feel comfortable and secure in my beliefs.
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Re: Marine fossils found 4000m above sea level in Peru: nice to see the sea high up there
Don't think of it as being that the water was above the land where the land is now. Think of it as land rising out of the water as the planet changed.
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I'm no geologist but I'm pretty sure that there isn't a published, academically accepted theory in plate tectonics that could explain this discovery (and others like it).
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Um, did you do geography? I think I learnt this when I was about 13
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its called folding andfaulting