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Russell Brand Interviews Westboro Baptist Church

 
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these people are extremest

and they abuse the freedom of speech


and..... the government is working on a cure for them


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If God hates just the sin, and not the sinner, then why does the sinner get thrown in hell and not just the sin?
 Quoting: Needles Eye


How do we know that is not how it works? The bible says:

Take away the dross from the silver, and there shall come forth a vessel for the finer.
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


precisely.

hades is a place of purification, not eternal damnation
 Quoting: Salt


That's not biblical. You are proclaiming a false doctrine.

And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the eternal fire," (Matt. 18:8)

"And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power," (2 Thessalonians 1:9)

"Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire" (Jude 7)

"And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever," (Rev. 20:10)

These men are those who are hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted; 13 wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever," (Jude12-13)
 Quoting: Needles Eye


oh be quiet. i am a seminary student. i think i know a couple things about scripture.

i posted a link a page or two back.
go study it and come back again with something new to say.
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I dont like this group Westboro Baptist Church


at alllllllllllllllllllllllll

when ever they get publicity and preach their hatefulness makes my blood boil..
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Sorry but I gotta say it...Brand got his ass handed to him.
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Unrepentant sinners are not acceptable to God.
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Except those who get 40 years of porridge stuffed down their gobs.
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I dont like this group Westboro Baptist Church


at alllllllllllllllllllllllll

when ever they get publicity and preach their hatefulness makes my blood boil..
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They hate directly from the Bible.

hmmmm
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How do we know that is not how it works? The bible says:

Take away the dross from the silver, and there shall come forth a vessel for the finer.
 Quoting: zenobiaphobia


precisely.

hades is a place of purification, not eternal damnation
 Quoting: Salt


That's not biblical. You are proclaiming a false doctrine.

And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the eternal fire," (Matt. 18:8)

"And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power," (2 Thessalonians 1:9)

"Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire" (Jude 7)

"And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever," (Rev. 20:10)

These men are those who are hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted; 13 wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever," (Jude12-13)
 Quoting: Needles Eye


oh be quiet. i am a seminary student. i think i know a couple things about scripture.

i posted a link a page or two back.
go study it and come back again with something new to say.
 Quoting: Salt


Oooh a seminary student. shudders

Guess we'll find out soon who's right. As for me, I'll believe the word of God over the word of "salt".
The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.
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Isn't lack of repentance a sin? If lack of repentance is a sin, and God loves the sinner and not the sin, why do the unrepentant get thrown in hell?
 Quoting: Needles Eye


Maybe I'm making things confusing... He loves all His people and wants them to obtain heaven, but people have free will. If they don't want to repent they die in their sin that they did, if they do repent they are free. If a person is unrepentant, then it would appear they love their sin and essentially choose hell themselves.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 22974002


OK, so people have free will, and they CHOOSE for God to throw them in hell? If they choose, why does God THROW them in? If they have true free will can't they CHOOSE to not be thrown in?

Revelation 20:15: If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
 Quoting: Needles Eye


Hell does NOT exist. Hell is ETERNAL separation from God. You're blotted out as if u never existed. That's it.
 Quoting: TXGal4Truth


Love it how religious fanatics state things so definitively when you/they actually know nothing of the sort.
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precisely.

hades is a place of purification, not eternal damnation
 Quoting: Salt


That's not biblical. You are proclaiming a false doctrine.

And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the eternal fire," (Matt. 18:8)

"And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power," (2 Thessalonians 1:9)

"Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire" (Jude 7)

"And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever," (Rev. 20:10)

These men are those who are hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted; 13 wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever," (Jude12-13)
 Quoting: Needles Eye


oh be quiet. i am a seminary student. i think i know a couple things about scripture.

i posted a link a page or two back.
go study it and come back again with something new to say.
 Quoting: Salt


Oooh a seminary student. shudders

Guess we'll find out soon who's right. As for me, I'll believe the word of God over the word of "salt".
 Quoting: Needles Eye


i didn't say take my words.
i said look at the carefully prepared link that i posted a page or so back which extrapolates the mechanical translations of the original texts regarding hell/hades.

maybe it's over your head.
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Brand suprisingly smart! Good vid!
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yea, he broke for commercial perfectly.

my take is, the westboro guy was about to say skin colour has nothing to do with anything.

can't have those talking points pinned to that group.

no sir.


up is down.

bad is good.

and the bible is just kidding about man lying with man.


yep.-- and their won't be consequences to dissing the bible.


that Brand is smart.
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I had to stop watching half way thru because I was disgusted by what they were saying, they have it wrong.

God does not hate homosexuals, he hates the sin that they do. Hates the sin, but loves the sinner. Same goes for an adulterer, Hates the sin but loves the sinner. Its all about repenting, being forgiven and then ceasing to do the sin any longer.
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Oh lighten up - Brand was actually funny.
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found this on the front page of wired.com

Cosmo Strikes Again, Taking Over Another Westboro Twitter Account
It feels a little bit like hacker Groundhog Day. After hijacking a Westboro Baptist Church leader’s Twitter account on Monday, Wired has confirmed that the 15-year-old hacker known as Cosmo the God took over another account belonging to one of the of the same church members on Wednesday, using much the same method.

A source with direct knowledge of the attack who spoke on condition of anonymity confirmed to Wired that Cosmo had in fact taken possession of Fred Phelps Jr.’s Twitter account. Phelps Jr. is the son of church leader Fred Phelps Sr. Cosmo took over the @WBCFredJR Twitter account via Phelps’ Hotmail account, which he gained entry to by forwarding the password-reset phone number on the Hotmail account to the phone number he controlled, according to Wired’s source.

Previously, Cosmo had control of church spokesperson and attorney Shirley Lynn Phelps-Roper’s @DearShirley Twitter account for about 24 hours before the account was suspended. During that time, Wired’s source also claims that Cosmo remotely recorded gay porn to her DVR, before canceling her internet service.
[link to www.wired.com]

lmao
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That's not biblical. You are proclaiming a false doctrine.

And if your hand or your foot causes you to stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; it is better for you to enter life crippled or lame, than having two hands or two feet, to be cast into the eternal fire," (Matt. 18:8)

"And these will pay the penalty of eternal destruction, away from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power," (2 Thessalonians 1:9)

"Just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example, in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire" (Jude 7)

"And the devil who deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are also; and they will be tormented day and night forever and ever," (Rev. 20:10)

These men are those who are hidden reefs in your love feasts when they feast with you without fear, caring for themselves; clouds without water, carried along by winds; autumn trees without fruit, doubly dead, uprooted; 13 wild waves of the sea, casting up their own shame like foam; wandering stars, for whom the black darkness has been reserved forever," (Jude12-13)
 Quoting: Needles Eye


oh be quiet. i am a seminary student. i think i know a couple things about scripture.

i posted a link a page or two back.
go study it and come back again with something new to say.
 Quoting: Salt


Oooh a seminary student. shudders

Guess we'll find out soon who's right. As for me, I'll believe the word of God over the word of "salt".
 Quoting: Needles Eye


i didn't say take my words.
i said look at the carefully prepared link that i posted a page or so back which extrapolates the mechanical translations of the original texts regarding hell/hades.

maybe it's over your head.
 Quoting: Salt


I read your scripture wrangling rodeo back when you first posted it. I disagree with your interpretation, and will continue to believe what His Word clearly states. It's eternal punishment.
The things which are impossible with men are possible with God.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again;
If you really want to be an ambassador for God, do so in your actions more-so than your words. I have a close buddy that is (thankfully) still willing to have religious discussions with me and only me, because of the way in which we discuss the matter. He is a great person, and a role-model to me, but he wasn't raised in the Church so he has a lot of basic Bible questions.

Point being, it's guys like these two who make it so hard for people like my friend to understand Jesus. Afterall, if 2 hate-spewing Baptists tell you you are going to hell, then Jesus is a myth, because it is His job to judge, and ours to see only the best in each other.
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its apparent thats why your their for your friend.

christians are many and varied.
like a great big tool box---
God will use the tools, from a tape measure---to decern and plan.

and a saw and hammer to create

to a wrecking ball to tear down.


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whats important and should be carefully looked at is the decernment of the bible.
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the bible speaks of different parts of the body to make up the body of Christ.
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[link to www.biblegateway.com]



5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord.

6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all.

7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.

8 For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;

9 To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;

10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

11 But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.

14 For the body is not one member, but many.


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praise God.
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Romans 4:5 (KJV)
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

Salvation was provided by God and completed by Christ. Christ is the author and finisher of our faith. He designed it. Christs coming to earth to take on human flesh, his death on the cross, and his resurrection without the help of man completed it. Therefore, it will be offered to man only on Gods condition. Christs sacrifice paid for all sin, past present future. Since wages of sin is death, if one sin was left unpaid for, Christ would still be in the grave. Since we have all sinned and the penalty of sin has been paid, then all are welcomed to Gods salvation.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9[Not of works, lest any man should boast.]


Romans 11:6 (KJV)
6And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

In other words eternal life is by grace alone. If it is by works then it is by works 100% and not one bit of Gods grace is involved, salvation is either 100% by grace or entirely by works, not a mixture of the two.

Titus 3:4-5 (KJV)
4[But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared,] 5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us..."

To anyone who says you must repent of your sin otherwise you're going to hell. How is it possible to repent of every possible sin? It's impossible. We're not sinners because we sin, but we sin because we are sinners. To say you must repent of your sins to be saved is perverting the simple truth of the gospel.

Romans 3:23-24 (KJV)
23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; 24[Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:]
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'To anyone who says you must repent of your sin otherwise you're going to hell. How is it possible to repent of every possible sin? It's impossible. We're not sinners because we sin, but we sin because we are sinners. To say you must repent of your sins to be saved is perverting the simple truth of the gospel. '

bsmeter2
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God hates whatever and whoever causes someone to not accept the Gospel of Jesus Christ, God's gift to all mankind to save them from their sins.

God's love for mankind means that He also must hate all those who would harm mankind including individuals, Powers and Principalities and anything that comes in opposition to His divine plan to save mankind from their sins.

God's love is so powerful that it must be matched with a "hatred" just as powerful.

The Shepherd loves the sheep and hates the wolves that would do those he loves harm.

A father loves the child with such intensity that he would kill anyone who would molest that child.

A love life is only as good as the hatred of anything that would destroy the object of that love.

This is not rocket science. It is who the God of the Bible has revealed Himself to be.
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'To anyone who says you must repent of your sin otherwise you're going to hell. How is it possible to repent of every possible sin? It's impossible. We're not sinners because we sin, but we sin because we are sinners. To say you must repent of your sins to be saved is perverting the simple truth of the gospel. '

 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 4057653


This is Truth. Repentance is the changing of ones mind turning from living for sin and turning to God and His redemptive plan for sin through His Son Jesus Christ.

Repent and Believe. It is one act.
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That poster in the italics is saying you don't need to or 'can't' repent. That is a lie. No repentance, no salvation.
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Well.. You know the wages of one single sin is death. Eternal seperation from God. So you can call the bullshit meter all you want, but you can't ignore scripture. And you surely can't argue with me if you were quoting scriptures.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Do you know the difference between a gift and a reward?
The difference between grace and works?
The difference between the righteousness of Jesus Christ and self righteousness?
I doubt you even know what repentance means.

Something tells me you don't. I guess in your mind you should hope you repented of every possible sin before you die. Remember 1 sin alone is enough to send someone to hell. And if you tell me you have repented of every single sin in your life, and you don't sin you're a liar. If you do sin from time to time, once a year ( exaggerating ) , and you're working on repentance, then you're struggling with sin. Are you a sinner? Or do you claim to be sinless?

1 John 1:8-9 (KJV)
8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.


The gospel is simple. Adding works to faith alone, is heresy and perverting the gospel.

1st Corinthians 15:1-4 defines the “Gospel” as the DEATH, BURIAL, and RESURRECTION of Christ Jesus.
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Well.. You know the wages of one single sin is death. Eternal seperation from God. So you can call the bullshit meter all you want, but you can't ignore scripture. And you surely can't argue with me if you were quoting scriptures.

Ephesians 2:8-9 (KJV)
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Do you know the difference between a gift and a reward?
The difference between grace and works?
The difference between the righteousness of Jesus Christ and self righteousness?
I doubt you even know what repentance means.

Something tells me you don't. I guess in your mind you should hope you repented of every possible sin before you die. Remember 1 sin alone is enough to send someone to hell. And if you tell me you have repented of every single sin in your life, and you don't sin you're a liar. If you do sin from time to time, once a year ( exaggerating ) , and you're working on repentance, then you're struggling with sin. Are you a sinner? Or do you claim to be sinless?

1 John 1:8-9 (KJV)
8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.


The gospel is simple. Adding works to faith alone, is heresy and perverting the gospel.

1st Corinthians 15:1-4 defines the “Gospel” as the DEATH, BURIAL, and RESURRECTION of Christ Jesus.
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*Insert religious text written by the hand of man as word of God* Apply my perfect interpretation of it. Then tell others to follow said interpretation or face condemnation. Only because my interpretation of HUMAN WRITING was the correct one.

You're the judge of yourself. No one else. You know when you do something good or bad. You live with your life daily. Time to accept you make your life exactly what it is. There's no one to judge you but yourself, and escaping that fact will only keep it all up. Someone isn't going to save you from your own choices. You make them, so you face them.

How many times will it take to go round the merry go round?

lol Please... I know you all know this internally. Don't be afraid to question. Go back to where it all began, use ya heads and you'll be fine. EVERYONE'S FINE and will be.

If there was a such thing as hell, you wouldn't want anyone there in the first place.

Why do you need a book to tell you how to live? You have no idea who wrote it. I could write a text right now and 1000 years later it be put into a book and put out as a whole new religion. Why? Cause it's old and someone with authority says its correct.

What's the difference between a cult and a religion? A religion has more people. Divide and conquer.

Do you all need that much of a structure to function? Can't you live with the simple answers you already have had since the beginning. They're in front of you every single day at every single moment.

It's hard to remain observant sometimes on here and neutral, but sometimes I want to step in and just give a little pat haha. Come on folks, you know better than all this.

"The Lord is my shepherd..." How do you not see the joke in that? That's a cosmic joke on itself saying to follow like a flock of sheep. Let me ask, what does a perfect entity being need with any sort of worship? None. Creation is equal. There is no ego based jealousy, idoltry, worshipping, or blind following. You are your own sovereign being. You make your own life, decisions, beliefs, reality. You have every single key and tool with you at all times to do what you know is right. Can either choose to go forward and face the day, or keep pushing it aside and looking for a way out or a way to escape.

Are you in control of your own game yet? Or are you too afraid to see that maybe, just maybe, you've got complete control of it? And maybe just maybe, you're decisions have all lead you precisely where you are now? There is no waiting, there is no anything... It's up to each and every one of you individually. You have the keys, stop being so afraid and looking for who to blame for what's happening in your life. Most of the stuff we stay so worried about has NO AFFECT on our daily life in any shape or form.

Deal with what's in front of your face daily. That's what needs to be focused on, not forgotten, pushed aside, or replaced with complete imagination. This site or any news form isn't whats going to be important.

It's not about changing the game once you see it, but learning how to play it so that it benefits you and all those around you. Condemning and spreading mass fear and all these stories does the opposite for the most part. That's why people scan this place and laugh.

Why look for doom? The news already does a damn well job at that. How about looking for the good in humanity on here, instead of being a REPEAT of what's on TV, but taking it farther by making it seem even worse than it is.

Take care.
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Westboro simply draws the logical conclusions one must reach if we take the Bible at least semi-literally.

I'm sorry, but I respect WBC. They are real Christians. They don't back down. They stick to their dogma. They stick to their doctrine, no matter how whacked out it is.
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So their doctrine is 'whacked out' but they are 'real Christians'?

huh

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:txwbch:
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Why do you display such hatred?? Oh nevermind I looked at your avatar and easily figured out why. Time is short, turn from sin and accept Jesus as Lord today.
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atleast they adhear to the principles of christianity instead of latching on to it as a progressive social club.
shows how truly stupid and barbaric religion is, and how stupid anyone who claims to be a christian actually is.

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