Hardcore atheists are doing Satan's agenda

Abortion = witchcraft eh?

I haven't heard that one before, gonna remember that.

Are you interested in living in a theocracy?

America would not be a theocracy if we brought back Christianity into the public sphere. I am interested in living in a country that fears God and is governed by Godly principles.

America used to fear God. Now homosexuals and abortion practicing witches run rampant.

It is a myth that our founding fathers weren't Christian. They were very much Christian. America was blessed by God when the people feared him. It wasn't a Saudi-style theocracy, it didn't need to be. People feared God, long ago.

Hm... you keep using the word fear with the word God.

Fear... you want more fear?
I think there is enough fear in the US at this moment tbh.

You want people to be afraid of God?

God should be an object of fear in your opinion?

What is meant by "fear God" is fear God's wrath and obey his commandments. Remember Sodom & Gomorrah, remember the Flood. God will NOT be mocked.

God made satan op. All the evil that we see, happens because fod wantwd it too... Sorry

So then the answer is yes, in your opinion God is something to be feared.

You say that the US used to be afraid of God and in your opinion it should return to a state of fear of God's wrath... correct?

Sorry to beat the point to death but I like to understand a posters point of view, terms like "God fearing" and "grace" are very difficult for a non believer to understand as the definitions given by believers often contain even more esoteric terminology.

no. atheists are the ones who finally stopped believing in nonsense.

I argue that you as a christian are almost as atheist as I am. You don't believe in zeus, or buddha, or mithra, or isis...I simply believe in one less god than you.

I put yahweh and jesus on the same shelf as odin and osiris.

"There is nothing that keeps wicked men at any one moment out of hell, but the mere pleasure of God."

Read this sermon, Sinners in the Hands of an Angry God.

[link to www.ccel.org]

Bible thumping more ons are not doing gods agenda

Ok I see now I think...

You believe that God (the Christian deity of the Bible) is not actually "all forgiving" and is very capable of anger and rage and will act on these emotions and create destruction and kill people on a large scale when his anger is roused.

Do you believe this has happened in the modern era?

For example certain recent natural disasters are a form of punishment for "wickedness" on a large scale?

I am not preaching beliefs so much as I am preaching biblical truth. That's what you need to consider. This is not belief, this is God's word. Yes, God does punish the wicked however he sees fit, including disasters. Remember, God destroyed Sodom & Gomorrah for their wickedness.

God has the capacity to forgive. A sinner, such as an atheist, may have their heart softened by God's grace. God's grace is a gift. God is not all-loving. Any preacher who tells you "God loves everyone" is not telling you the truth. God does not love unrepentant sinners. He may love them if they repent, by the gift of God's grace.

I hope this clarifies matters for you on Biblical truth.

That's what you are interested in. This is a free country, a country that gives you the freedom to live that way and myself to live how I choose. I was a Catholic growing up, then I was "reborn" and atheist. We could debate this topic all day, but anyone with an education knows how barbarous and violent religious extremists have been and are being. Religion has been and always will be a tool to control the weak minded masses. Every religion believe's theirs is the proper religion and their God the one and true God. If I had to pick one, I'd go with Odin, as he actually did what he said he'd do and with the help of his son Thor he rid our world of Frost Giants. But that's just me, I go with results...

Biblical truth? The bible is one of the greatest and most sold works of Fiction in history. If it was the word of an actual God, it would be free. Not sold for someones profit. Don't you think? Does God need the money? Hmm...

You never knew God, morbid metalhead. READ THE BIBLE and pray that God may give you his grace. Obviously you know nothing about the founding of America. The liberal secular propaganda is false. The founders were Christians. This was a Christian country.

READ THE BIBLE

Keep telling yourself that brother. What works have you done for your fellow man? Besides pointing fingers and judging others what have you done for the good of mankind?

You Christians love to tell all of us about our sins and shortcomings but very few of you do any actual good for your fellow human.

As for our founding fathers, if you actually read something besides Christian propaganda you'd know that many of them were actually Free Masons. This is not fiction or conspiracy, this is known fact.

Those proofs are all around, not left up to the Christian fall back of "faith". Actual proofs exist to back these claims. Separation of Church and State sound familiar?


"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof..."

-- The First Amendment

Hmm... Sounds exactly opposite of your claim.

You need to look at it from my point of view...

You believe it is the truth, it very much is a belief... your belief in it's accuracy on the nature of existence.

I do not believe it is the truth.

I believe that evolution is true and fact... but you would probably say exactly what I have just said to you.

The ability to see the other persons perspective is paramount, otherwise you're just going to end up butting heads and get nowhere.

But I have a more important question... what you say next is very unclear to me.




So... God will not forgive me if I do not repent.
This is fair enough.

My heart is as you would say, hard to God.
But my heart may be softened by God's "grace" (still unclear what this is).

However you then state that this "grace" is a gift coming only from God correct?

So basically... my heart will only soften if God gives me grace because there is no intellectual rationale that will convince me, an atheist, otherwise.

So it's totally up to him.

Therefore I can only repent at his will and if he does not will it (ie: does not give me the gift of grace) I go to Hell?

So it's totally out of my hands then because I do not detect this "grace" in my life... I go to Hell purely because he has willed it and has decided not to give me grace.

Hardly fair from my point of view.

Most "hardcore" atheists are more in touch with the "real God" than most theists. Certainly moreso than monotheists. Any idiot can choose to fear a God of their own invention; it takes real will to try and fill in the blanks of life and existence without a "God" to refer to.

I've cured homosexuality. That's a pretty important contribution to the human race. The part of the First Amendment about religious freedom means that there should be no official state church, nor should the government prohibit people from practicing their faith. It does not mean that religion should be banned from the public sphere.

God does as he pleases. You would do well by reading your bible and having a change of heart. God is not about fairness, God is about truth. If you sincerely repent, it was God's will. If you don't, that too is God's will.

You people need to seriously stop with your confrontational attitudes, your constant verbal threats, and paranoid fear mongering. I am quite certain that all of the major problems going on right now are caused directly, or indirectly through this doomsaying, fear tactics, and overall negativity that you bible thumpers just keep on putting out there. Here, a registered user, trying to start arguments on this board, go figure. It's funny how you disguise it under friendly conversation though...
You want drama, not an open debate.

Another thing that concerns me is that people are looking for (and finding) personal truths on YouTube! Then, you come to places like this and ask people whom you know disagree with whole idea to challenge you in the some stupid debate on the matter, when you're forgetting that YouTube is a bunch of bullshit to begin with. You're better off looking for personal revelation in dreams, but you guys do that too, so I guess there is no hope.

When we don't fall for your obvious trolling, and bait threads to start religious fights, you accuse us of being possesed by Satan! Of course we don't believe in that either, so you're just adding to the already miserable fail of a thread.
I really wish you religitards would wake the fuck up, and realise that you're causing way more harm than you even know.
You've convinced yourselves that you know you're right before the debate even starts, so what's the point in engaging you people at all?
Your truths are your truths, they have nothing to do with anyone else.
Atheists too, have found their own personal truths. Why in the world that makes you people so angry is beyond me. Why you just refuse to let people believe what they want to believe. People are going to act, think, and believe in whatever they want, and no fucking YouTube video is going to change that. If you're too immature, or brainwashed to think that you can change someone's mind without any evidence, facts, or proof, than you should probably stop trying to bait people into fighting with you. You should be more excited that others will have their own belief system, atheists respect that people can think what they want, unless their assholes like the Christian fundamentalists on this board.
It's beautiful, you should embrace it. It's the difference that is worth talking about. Not what's right or wrong. Don't be childish..
It's just not your place to be trying to change anyone's mind. You have no more evidence one way or another than atheists have. And you should seriously consider how harmful what you're doing might be. This open challenge, and certainty in your own belief is what is wrong with the world. Take away the selfish need to be right about everything, and you take away the violence, hate, homophobia, sexism, war, and internet bullshit. Now read what I've written, and read it thoroughly, because I've written it from a humanist perspective, something you could learn from.

So you have just stated there is no such thing as free will and it is God, not me, that condemns me to an eternity of suffering in Hell before I am even born.


Read what you just wrote and think it over.

If you sincerely repent, it was God's will. If you don't, that too is God's will.

How can I have a change of heart?
It's up to God if I repent or not according to you.

I have no say in the matter... I'm going to Hell through no fault of my own, I was destined for an eternity of pain and torture an eternity before he even created the universe!


That is a cruel and unjust God you believe in sir.

I suspect you need more practice at this preaching game as you have dug yourself quite a deep hole in just a few short posts, better luck next time.

I've cured homosexuality. That's a pretty important contribution to the human race. The part of the First Amendment about religious freedom means that there should be no official state church, nor should the government prohibit people from practicing their faith. It does not mean that religion should be banned from the public sphere.




Huh? You have cured homosexuality?

Please, do enlighten me on this. How did you cure it? In whom did you cure it?

No they were not Christian. Washington DC is laid out on a pentagram. The Jacobin revolutionaries were not Christians.

If you want to raise your children Christian nothing is stopping you from doing that no matter who founded and runs the Gov.

The so-called 'atheists' are actually just Communists under a different name. They say the same things as the Russian communists did when they first went into Russia according to Russians who have written books about it.

You don't speak for 'God' - that much is obvious.

Find a more gullible audience.