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'Native Americans' actually came from a tiny mountain region in Siberia, DNA research reveals

 
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There's some cool archaeology in Altai, that's where they found frozen mound burials with carriages, harness, horses along with the entombed deceased and their servants.

The thing I thought was cool was that the horses equipment included horse-headresses of stuffed leather antlers as part of the bridle.
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<<<Haplogroup X is also one of the five haplogroups found in the indigenous peoples of the Americas. Although it occurs only at a frequency of about 3% for the total current indigenous population of the Americas, it is a bigger haplogroup in northern North America, where among the Algonquian peoples it comprises up to 25% of mtDNA types. It is also present in lesser percentages to the west and south of this area—among the Sioux (15%), the Nuu-Chah-Nulth (11%–13%), the Navajo (7%), and the Yakama (5%).[9]

Unlike the four main Native American mtDNA haplogroups (A, B, C, D), and the Y-chromosome sub-haplogroup Q1a3a, X is not at all strongly associated with East Asia. The main occurrence of X in Asia discovered so far is in the Altay people in Southwestern Siberia, and detailed examination has shown that the Altaian sequences are all almost identical (haplogroup X2e), suggesting that they arrived in the area probably from the South Caucasus more recently than 5,000 BP.>>>

"The main occurrence of Haplogroup X in Asia is in Altay."
"Haplogroup X occurs only at a frequency of about 3% for the total current indigenous population of the Americas."

So much for your theoretical conclusions, OP. Your sweeping statement that "'Native Americans' actually came from a tiny mountain region in Siberia, DNA research reveals" is only fractionally true.
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They have it backwards,,my ancestors ran off our undesirables across the ice bridge into russia. Seriously,,not all of us native americans are the same people,,that is easy to see if you are at a place where a lot of diffrent tribes are gathered together.There is a lot of evidence that some came up from south america and some i believe from stories passed down were created right here in the united states. I dont understand why that seems to trouble so many people.
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A very likely scenario. Just as much likely as the 'from Siberia to America' theory, in fact. Actually even more likely, if that is the oral history of your ancestors.
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They have it backwards,,my ancestors ran off our undesirables across the ice bridge into russia. Seriously,,not all of us native americans are the same people,,that is easy to see if you are at a place where a lot of diffrent tribes are gathered together.There is a lot of evidence that some came up from south america and some i believe from stories passed down were created right here in the united states. I dont understand why that seems to trouble so many people.
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Here is a video I did of a Hopi bud to support what you have to say.

Hopi Emergence Story

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Here is a short video I did of Pete Gilmore who is Navajo. Pete lives in Chinle Arizona and family has a tradition of being Navajo Shamans for generations. Here Pete tells of where the Navajo life began.


[link to www.youtube.com]


ana
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Ya'at'eeh abineeh. I think he was yanking your chain. Kokopelli was a traveling salesman, bringing fertility and stories along with him. The first world was filled with the insect Dine, not water people. In the third world, Coyote won Water Monster's skin from him and discovered that Water Monster's babies were still inside it. He didn't give the babies back and Water Monster began to flood the third world in anger. The Dine escaped up a reed through a hole in the sky and came out into the Glittering World as the third world flooded. Water started to burble up out of the ground after them and that is when Coyote finally gave back Water Monster's babies. I always thought that the reason why it is called the Glittering World is because the snow sparkles like it's filled with diamonds there.

As per the thread, there is no single group, genetically, of Native Americans. The Dine, for instance, have a DNA haplogroup (C-M39) that originates in Siberia/Mongolia. Amerindians have a good dose of haplogroup R1 which is found across Eurasia. Amerindian groups tend to be the groups that have been here the longest. There is still question about the arrival date for the Native Americans.
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Here is a short video I did of Pete Gilmore who is Navajo. Pete lives in Chinle Arizona and family has a tradition of being Navajo Shamans for generations. Here Pete tells of where the Navajo life began.


[link to www.youtube.com]


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Interesting anecdote: I traveled with a group of nurses from Arizona to China in 2000. One of the nurses in our group was Navajo. We visited traditional Chinese medicine hospitals and modern clinics in the cities and rural areas. While there we went site seeing to the Great Wall which is very touristy. There are many local Mongolian merchants selling their art, dressed in their native dress. The Navajo nurse I was with was speechless and said: "They look like my family. Their clothing and their style is very similar. Their features are also very similar." Soooo.........I'll look for a picture to upload.
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THEY WERE BROUGHT HERE AS SLAVES BEFORE AFRICANS WERE. THIS HAPPENED EVEN BEFORE 1492. I BET MOST OF THEM BELONG IN JERUSALEM.
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THEY WERE BROUGHT HERE AS SLAVES BEFORE AFRICANS WERE. THIS HAPPENED EVEN BEFORE 1492. I BET MOST OF THEM BELONG IN JERUSALEM.
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ASIA WAS PLUNDERED BY THE SAME FORCES THAT PLUNDERED AFRICA, THEY JUST COVERED IT UP AND CREATED THE ICE BRIDGE MYTH. HENCE WHY THEY ARE NOW MOSTLY ROMAN CATHOLIC. ALL BECAUSE OF CHRISTOPHER COLUMBUS AND THE VATICAN.
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Here is a short video I did of Pete Gilmore who is Navajo. Pete lives in Chinle Arizona and family has a tradition of being Navajo Shamans for generations. Here Pete tells of where the Navajo life began.


[link to www.youtube.com]


ana
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Ya'at'eeh abineeh. I think he was yanking your chain. Kokopelli was a traveling salesman, bringing fertility and stories along with him. The first world was filled with the insect Dine, not water people. In the third world, Coyote won Water Monster's skin from him and discovered that Water Monster's babies were still inside it. He didn't give the babies back and Water Monster began to flood the third world in anger. The Dine escaped up a reed through a hole in the sky and came out into the Glittering World as the third world flooded. Water started to burble up out of the ground after them and that is when Coyote finally gave back Water Monster's babies. I always thought that the reason why it is called the Glittering World is because the snow sparkles like it's filled with diamonds there.

As per the thread, there is no single group, genetically, of Native Americans. The Dine, for instance, have a DNA haplogroup (C-M39) that originates in Siberia/Mongolia. Amerindians have a good dose of haplogroup R1 which is found across Eurasia. Amerindian groups tend to be the groups that have been here the longest. There is still question about the arrival date for the Native Americans.
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One thing I've learned for sure, no matter what Tribe. Each Clan has there own version of past tales. I can go from one village on the Mesas on the Hopi rez to another and repeat a story I'd heard. In the next village they will say, 'they got that story all wrong'. And that is a fact.

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Another version of the Navajo Emergence Story by Brent Chase

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Gene Study Supports Single Main Migration Across Bering Strait

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hasnt it already been proven they came from china?
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Re: 'Native Americans' actually came from a tiny mountain region in Siberia, DNA research reveals
Even the 'natives' here had DNA from all over.

Also, DNA can be corrupted, the conclusion from a limited sample cannot be extrapolated to an entire continent.

The US Government exterminated entire races and tribes, there is no know trace of them existent today, so the DNA record is incomplete at best.

In short, the findings are laughable and frankly, stupid.
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Agreed!

This is a ridiculous article BECAUSE Native Americans are NOT a monolithic group! WHICH nation(s) are being referred to?

Dr. Cyclone Covey of Wake Forrest University devoted his entire professional life to researching NAs and their origins. His conclusion? They came here from ALL OVER THE WORLD, including Europe. Some came from Scotland and had fair skin and red hair (and spoke a version of Gaelic). Others came across the Bering Strait. The majority of them are, of course of Asian descent. They came mostly by BOAT, riding the current over here. The book Secret Maps of the Ancient World documents this well.

The Sioux were at war with another nation back in China, and once here they just picked up the fighting where they had left off!

Hopi came here from Tibet.

Cherokee were HEBREWS. Yes, that's right! There are many Cherokees who still speak Hebrew and have family oral traditions that they were Hebrews. Cuneiform of Hebrew NAs have also been discovered that chronicles their journey over here.

The BIG NOSES of the Cherokee are similar to that of the IROQUOIS, their COUSINS. They also both look like Jews.
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There's some cool archaeology in Altai, that's where they found frozen mound burials with carriages, harness, horses along with the entombed deceased and their servants.

The thing I thought was cool was that the horses equipment included horse-headresses of stuffed leather antlers as part of the bridle.
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Thank you for that. I didn't know where Altai was so looked it up.

It's in Mongolia. Mongols were famous for their equestrian skills. The earliest domesticated spotted horses (similar to our Appaloosas) came from that region, and later Genghis Khan was famous for his humane treatment of his spotted steeds.

Anyway, here are some photos of some of the artifacts they have found there:

[link to mongolianaltai.uoregon.edu]
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So is this a theory or a conclusive fact?
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DNA is the hard facts. DNA cannot be denied.
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Care to evaluate on that?
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DNA is proper evidence, not just stories people make up. They found the same DNA in Siberia that the supposedly 'native Americans' possess. Seems pretty clear to me.
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It's already known that the Alaska natives are related to the Siberian native people.

I'd be curious to know who the South American indiginous peoples are related to.
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Even the 'natives' here had DNA from all over.

Also, DNA can be corrupted, the conclusion from a limited sample cannot be extrapolated to an entire continent.

The US Government exterminated entire races and tribes, there is no know trace of them existent today, so the DNA record is incomplete at best.

In short, the findings are laughable and frankly, stupid.
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Please continue for the rest of us. Ignore OP. Thanks!
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Why are you so concerned about where NATIVE Americans DNA originated? Really, is it worth calling people stupid and being rude to posters on the thread? I hardly think so OP.
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Re: 'Native Americans' actually came from a tiny mountain region in Siberia, DNA research reveals
Even the 'natives' here had DNA from all over.

Also, DNA can be corrupted, the conclusion from a limited sample cannot be extrapolated to an entire continent.

The US Government exterminated entire races and tribes, there is no know trace of them existent today, so the DNA record is incomplete at best.

In short, the findings are laughable and frankly, stupid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20901334



Agreed!

This is a ridiculous article BECAUSE Native Americans are NOT a monolithic group! WHICH nation(s) are being referred to?

Dr. Cyclone Covey of Wake Forrest University devoted his entire professional life to researching NAs and their origins. His conclusion? They came here from ALL OVER THE WORLD, including Europe. Some came from Scotland and had fair skin and red hair (and spoke a version of Gaelic). Others came across the Bering Strait. The majority of them are, of course of Asian descent. They came mostly by BOAT, riding the current over here. The book Secret Maps of the Ancient World documents this well.

The Sioux were at war with another nation back in China, and once here they just picked up the fighting where they had left off!

Hopi came here from Tibet.

Cherokee were HEBREWS. Yes, that's right! There are many Cherokees who still speak Hebrew and have family oral traditions that they were Hebrews. Cuneiform of Hebrew NAs have also been discovered that chronicles their journey over here.

The BIG NOSES of the Cherokee are similar to that of the IROQUOIS, their COUSINS. They also both look like Jews.
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My grand mother had this big nose(half cherokee),thank god i didnt get it.
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Even the 'natives' here had DNA from all over.

Also, DNA can be corrupted, the conclusion from a limited sample cannot be extrapolated to an entire continent.

The US Government exterminated entire races and tribes, there is no know trace of them existent today, so the DNA record is incomplete at best.

In short, the findings are laughable and frankly, stupid.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 20901334



Agreed!

This is a ridiculous article BECAUSE Native Americans are NOT a monolithic group! WHICH nation(s) are being referred to?

Dr. Cyclone Covey of Wake Forrest University devoted his entire professional life to researching NAs and their origins. His conclusion? They came here from ALL OVER THE WORLD, including Europe. Some came from Scotland and had fair skin and red hair (and spoke a version of Gaelic). Others came across the Bering Strait. The majority of them are, of course of Asian descent. They came mostly by BOAT, riding the current over here. The book Secret Maps of the Ancient World documents this well.

The Sioux were at war with another nation back in China, and once here they just picked up the fighting where they had left off!

Hopi came here from Tibet.

Cherokee were HEBREWS. Yes, that's right! There are many Cherokees who still speak Hebrew and have family oral traditions that they were Hebrews. Cuneiform of Hebrew NAs have also been discovered that chronicles their journey over here.

The BIG NOSES of the Cherokee are similar to that of the IROQUOIS, their COUSINS. They also both look like Jews.
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Interesting, but where do Choctaw Indians come from?
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Interesting anecdote: I traveled with a group of nurses from Arizona to China in 2000. One of the nurses in our group was Navajo. We visited traditional Chinese medicine hospitals and modern clinics in the cities and rural areas. While there we went site seeing to the Great Wall which is very touristy. There are many local Mongolian merchants selling their art, dressed in their native dress. The Navajo nurse I was with was speechless and said: "They look like my family. Their clothing and their style is very similar. Their features are also very similar." Soooo.........I'll look for a picture to upload.
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I like this story, thanks for sharing!

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