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"LOOK-NOW"---3 Days of Darkness Approach! NASA Stereo Behind HI1: 12/21/2012 it All Goes Dark!

 
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Re: "LOOK-NOW"---3 Days of Darkness Approach! NASA Stereo Behind HI1: 12/21/2012 it All Goes Dark!
here's the darkest image from running the same parameters in the OP's post but back in 2011:

[link to img195.imageshack.us]

sorry I don't have a Gif editor on here...

will start looking through previous years until i find something similar to compare.
 Quoting: Silvanus


Again, that is not a beacon image. Notice how much the glare fluctuates over time:

Again, I tried to compensate for it the best I could at that time without having to make a new calibration image each time the glare fluctuated, so I set the subtraction strength so that some of the images would be too bright, rather than the other images being too dark, but the actual amount of variation is the same thing you're seeing here.
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[link to makeagif.com]

images from the 15th to today
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Astro is this 2 different quality images also?
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done, will upload in a minute. My 2 cents is it looks nothing like the current. Maybe some slight darkening but that's it.
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It doesn't work like that, they don't retaint he processed versions of the beacon images. That's what you're looking at in the current images. They only archive the raw originals.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


ok, do you know how often they are archived? That way it'll be easy to compare as soon as the current is archived since they will be in the same format as older archived footage. Correct?
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The latest raw beacon data is already archived, that's how I got this image:
behind122012
I didn't do any background subtraction on it though.
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[link to makeagif.com]

images from the 15th to today
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Astro is this 2 different quality images also?
 Quoting: Dapurps


bump
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Yup. When it hits the 18th the images are then BEACON images (lower quality). I just checked the FTP a little while ago and the latest non-BEACON images are from the 17th, so that's consistent with what I saw.
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[link to www.youtube.com]

From 2010, sun does a complete flip....watch 40 to 60 seconds of clip for best slow motion. If the sun can do this, then a '3 day darkness event' is only slightly more impressive.
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Nut

It's ok

It's GLP time

The night before 12/21/12

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Chill - Enjoy - Relax
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[link to makeagif.com]

images from the 15th to today
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30428477


Astro is this 2 different quality images also?
 Quoting: Dapurps


bump
 Quoting: Dapurps


Yup. When it hits the 18th the images are then BEACON images (lower quality). I just checked the FTP a little while ago and the latest non-BEACON images are from the 17th, so that's consistent with what I saw.
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Stoked to see your coverage tomorrow. Thanks for all the info
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quick question here, in watching the original animation, it seems there are alot of images up until the 17th and then only a few for the 18th forward when the blackening occurs.why iss this? Has anyone answered this yet? Just curious.

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When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter


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quick question here, in watching the original animation, it seems there are alot of images up until the 17th and then only a few for the 18th forward when the blackening occurs.why iss this? Has anyone answered this yet? Just curious.
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Read thru what Astro has been saying.
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NASA says it's the solar corona at low quality.
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theres a video at the side.. chose the more recent one (42 minutes ago)
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displayed only when the light disappear completely, perhaps a fault of the camera or dust on illuminator
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Thread: 12/21/2012 THIS IS IT!!! SUN GOT HIT BY DARK OBJECT EJECTS X CLASS FLARE....OMG
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quick question here, in watching the original animation, it seems there are alot of images up until the 17th and then only a few for the 18th forward when the blackening occurs.why iss this? Has anyone answered this yet? Just curious.
 Quoting: Silvanus


Read thru what Astro has been saying.
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yes I have been, didn't see any explaination thats why i'm asking.
When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter


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quick question here, in watching the original animation, it seems there are alot of images up until the 17th and then only a few for the 18th forward when the blackening occurs. Has anyone answered this yet? Just curious.
 Quoting: Silvanus


Beacon images are always fewer in number than regular images. Coverage is dependent on who's available, which varies since it involves amateur contributions. DSN can also provide support, but they have many other missions to support whose data takes priority.

"The near-real-time data, known as the Space Weather Beacon, from STEREO is a compressed, binned, subset of the full science data. The beacon data are broadcast continuously, and if no ground station is listening, the data will not be available until the full science data is dumped."
[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
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[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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quick question here, in watching the original animation, it seems there are alot of images up until the 17th and then only a few for the 18th forward when the blackening occurs. Has anyone answered this yet? Just curious.
 Quoting: Silvanus


Beacon images are always fewer in number than regular images. Coverage is dependent on who's available, which varies since it involves amateur contributions. DSN can also provide support, but they have many other missions to support whose data takes priority.

"The near-real-time data, known as the Space Weather Beacon, from STEREO is a compressed, binned, subset of the full science data. The beacon data are broadcast continuously, and if no ground station is listening, the data will not be available until the full science data is dumped."
[link to www.swpc.noaa.gov]
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


awesome, thanks.
When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter


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Yup, basically says what I've been saying:
[link to stereo.gsfc.nasa.gov]
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From 2010, sun does a complete flip....watch 40 to 60 seconds of clip for best slow motion. If the sun can do this, then a '3 day darkness event' is only slightly more impressive.
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The sun does not flip.. Cameras flip.
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If you people REALLY believed this was going to happen you would not be wasting time on this board.
You would be taking your necessary belongings to your bunker or hideout.

Please explain why you are wasting time talking about it?
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listen I told my wife not to take her mother in there and if she did I wasnt coming with em .So now for me its kind of a win win situation
1- if shit hits the fan I wont have to survive with the mother in law
2- if nothing happens I am going to fire up my excavator and walk it all around the bunker occassionaly slamming my bucket on the ground to give em a scare , then after they freak out for a couple days I will let them out in time for christmas
see - win win

cheers and merry hoho to all
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It's ok

It's GLP time

The night before 12/21/12

Chill
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what is this red dot on live iss stream?
[link to www.ustream.tv]
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What was that?
Is there a recording of this?
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"This is it. Don't get scared now."
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Merry Christmas!!
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Look what you did ya little jerk.

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You're what the French call "les incompetents" ...

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DID ANYONE ELSE notice literally 10x as many pictures on the 17th as compared to the 18, 19th, and 20th when the sphere appeared?
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wow thanks for the link, shit is heating up
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sooo.....this mean exactly what astro?
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Processing artifact from the background subtraction they're using. They usually average a previous day's images together to create a calibration image which is subtracted from the latest image so that they can elminate the glare from the sun and see the tenuous heliosphere. They only update the calibration image every so often, and as time passes it may become less and less appropriate compared to the actual glare that's present and how the CCD is responding to the light. In other words, the calibration image is currently subtracting too much.

There isn't really a "dark" region there, it's actually quite bright and if you don't compensate for it and try to just adjust the levels of the raw unprocessed beacon image to match the JPGs present online you end up blowing out the glare which is what you see with the large white region on the left side of the image:
:behind122012:
It seems like the calibration image they're using for the non-BEACON images is much better right now (high quality low compression versions of the same images), which is why if you go back a few days the problem vanishes instantly. Once you step forward one image into the BEACON images the problem with the calibration frame appears.

In a few days when you check back at the stereo site, the beacon JPGs will be replaced with full resolution JPGs from the non-BEACON versions, at which time the "black region" will probably either be greatly reduced or gone altogether. Standard non-BEACON images have to be processed from scratch so just because there's a problem with the BEACON processed version does not always mean there will be a problem with the full res version a few days later.
 Quoting: Dr. Astro


You are literally saying that the glare from the sun has subsided beyond established non-BEACON glare-reducing image processing parameters resulting in the recent darkened STEREO images. Presumably, glare is a direct function of sun luminosity, which would mean that the sun has darkened beyond established image correcting parameters.

This begs the question: is this level of darkening unusual? If so, to what quantitative degree?
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The amount of glare is subject to a number of variables including the brightness of the sun (which varies with the presence or absence of sunspots), the spacecraft attitude, and the response of the CCD to light. So no, it's not a direct function of solar luminosity, that is only one component. Yes, solar irradiance is variable, but the amount of variation is quite small in amplitude, about .1~.3% :
[link to blogs.edf.org]
When processing these images, adjusting the strength of the background subtraction by even that very small percentage can have a large impact on the result - the processing includes a lot of aggressive contrast enhancement so even tiny differences are exaggerated.

Having done a lot of STEREO HI image processing myself, I know for a fact it's quite normal for the amount of glare to change over time which can result in artifically bright or dark regions in the image. In fact, it's why I started developing my own processing method which doesn't involve subtracting previous images but rather involves a dynamic background subtraction using only the current image:

 Quoting: Dr. Astro


Thanks again for taking the time to answer these questions in a civil and rational manner.
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Does it bug anyone else when there are posts saying "great find!", "awesome pic!", etc...and you see exactly nothing?
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Thats the best part, a theory that warns of nothing but darkness and a picture that shows nothing.

Brilliant!
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DID ANYONE ELSE notice literally 10x as many pictures on the 17th as compared to the 18, 19th, and 20th when the sphere appeared?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 7813501


it was just answered above, take a look...
When you make the two into one, and when you make the inner like the outer and the outer like the inner, and the upper like the lower, and when you make male and female into a single one, so that the male will not be male nor the female be female, when you make eyes in place of an eye, a hand in place of a hand, a foot in place of a foot, an image in place of an image, then you will enter


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"This is it. Don't get scared now."
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Merry Christmas!!
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Look what you did ya little jerk.

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You're what the French call "les incompetents" ...
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incompétents
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DID ANYONE ELSE notice literally 10x as many pictures on the 17th as compared to the 18, 19th, and 20th when the sphere appeared?
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