Does America attack Israel? Ephraim and Judah had civil war is the modern translation U. S will war against Israel?

No because America is a tribe of the 10 'lost' tribes of Israel and the House of Judah is not the same as the House of Israel, the Bible makes the distinction between the two since the civil war in King Solomons time.

In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers. Jeremiah 3:18

Last Edited by TheSeventhGate on 12/20/2012 03:36 PM

It was a misnomer for the House of Judah to call their land Israel since it confuses many.

I believe America is the lost 10 tribes and are not joined with the 2 tribes of Judah and Benjamin(geographical Israel) until the 2 witnesses come and they will fulfill Ezekiel 37 the joining of the southern kingdom and northern kingdom back into 1 kingdom again

America is only one tribe, the tribe of Maneesah and you were seeded by many other tribes of the House of Israel. How can America be all the tribes of Israel if the country was seeded by the other tribes of Israel, namely Britain, Ireland, Germany? There are not enough of you in America to make up the whole House of Israel.

That in blessing I will bless thee, and in multiplying I will multiply thy seed as the stars of the heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore; and thy seed shall possess the gate of his enemies; Genesis 22:17

When Israel split into 2 kingdoms the Northern kingdom being Israel(lost 10 tribes) and the southern kingdom being 2 tribes(Judah and benjamin).....was those lost 10 tribes, 2 tribes here and a tribe over somewhere else or where the lost 10 tribes all in the northern kingdom and the other 2 tribes the southern kingdom? They were all in one area. Not to say some were living outside the border of the Northern and Southern kingdoms but for the majority of the tribes where in the borders of where they were placed, the northern and southern kingdom. We know the southern kingdom of Judah and benjamin are geographical Israel today, so if those 2 tribes are in one area for the most part, why wouldn't the northern kingdom(lost 10 tribes) again not be in one area as they were in the beginning. The land of milk and honey is where God promised his children would end up. Can you think of a better land of milk and honey than the united states?

What is wrong with the original version where the whole House of Israel is gathered at one time and they are the 'first' to be whole as they are all there for the 1,000 year reign while only a remnant of all Gentiles are alive.

I'm even going to include the verses that show how coming out of the grave happens over just a few hours on the afternoon of the same day the two witnesses are brought from the grave. Scratch that as this is long enough as it is, worth reading as it is a literal description and what is below is for all the one born into the 12 Tribes beginning with Abraham (not Lincoln)

Eze:37:15-28:
The word of the LORD came again unto me,
saying,
Moreover,
thou son of man,
take thee one stick,
and write upon it,
For Judah,
and for the children of Israel his companions:
then take another stick,
and write upon it,
For Joseph,
the stick of Ephraim,
and for all the house of Israel his companions:
And join them one to another into one stick;
and they shall become one in thine hand.
And when the children of thy people shall speak unto thee,
saying,
Wilt thou not shew us what thou meanest by these?
Say unto them,
Thus saith the Lord GOD;
Behold,
I will take the stick of Joseph,
which is in the hand of Ephraim,
and the tribes of Israel his fellows,
and will put them with him,
even with the stick of Judah,
and make them one stick,
and they shall be one in mine hand.
And the sticks whereon thou writest shall be in thine hand before their eyes.
And say unto them,
Thus saith the Lord GOD;
Behold,
I will take the children of Israel from among the heathen,
whither they be gone,
and will gather them on every side,
and bring them into their own land:
And I will make them one nation in the land upon the mountains of Israel;
and one king shall be king to them all:
and they shall be no more two nations,
neither shall they be divided into two kingdoms any more at all:
Neither shall they defile themselves any more with their idols,
nor with their detestable things,
nor with any of their transgressions:
but I will save them out of all their dwellingplaces,
wherein they have sinned,
and will cleanse them:
so shall they be my people,
and I will be their God.
And David my servant shall be king over them;
and they all shall have one shepherd:
they shall also walk in my judgments,
and observe my statutes,
and do them.
And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant,
wherein your fathers have dwelt;
and they shall dwell therein,
even they,
and their children,
and their children's children for ever:
and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.
Moreover I will make a covenant of peace with them;
it shall be an everlasting covenant with them:
and I will place them,
and multiply them,
and will set my sanctuary in the midst of them for evermore.
My tabernacle also shall be with them:
yea,
I will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
And the heathen shall know that I the LORD do sanctify Israel,
when my sanctuary shall be in the midst of them for evermore.

The story is continued in Jer:31, all of it, so if you read it and can see some place for America please point it out.

Jer:31:8:
Behold,
I will bring them from the north country,
and gather them from the coasts of the earth,
and with them the blind and the lame,
the woman with child and her that travaileth with child together:
a great company shall return thither.
Jer:31:9:
They shall come with weeping,
and with supplications will I lead them:
I will cause them to walk by the rivers of waters in a straight way,
wherein they shall not stumble:
for I am a father to Israel,
and Ephraim is my firstborn.

Rome is covered a bit in the OT and she was a 'dominion' in that she lasted 500 years. Perhaps the Commonwealth fits the verses better than America because she did start out as a place of liberty and ended up being more repressive than any power before her. (coal-towns of the industrial revolution, whole islands as prisons, etc).

America started out the land of milk and honey but she turned it into a land of Egypt(full of idols, and we are slaves to our things), just the reverse of what the Jews had in the time of moses and aaron(type of two witnesses in the end). The jews started out in salvery and went out of egypt into the land of milk and honey

Ezekiel 37 is showing 2 sticks: Judah(southern kingdom) and Ephriam(northern kingdom lost 10 tribes). The lost 10 tribes are representing the christian and the southern kingdom is representing the Jew. Jews and christians don't agree on the ways of salvation. The bible says nobody comes to God without going through Jesus. So if the Jews(Judah, benjamin) die without coming to the grace saving knowledge of Jesus then 2 tribes were lost and not all of Israel was saved and hence Satan wins game over. So this can't be after everybody dies it has to be the commission of the 2 witnesses to join both houses of Israel before the end which we see happening in the joining of the 2 sticks(judah, benjamin with the lost 10 tribes). At this point the lost 10 tribes are still lost, but we know judah and benjamin are in geographical Israel today so we know where the southern kingdom is, we just need to find the northern kingdom(lost 10 tribes)

I'm waiting for the false flag America is going to do(possible statue of liberty knock down) and blame on Israel, so we have reason to attack Israel, which is what I think happens.

Oh no! They're going to fell our graven image!

just stop arming them and the surrounding countries will do the rest.

(There are not enough of you in America to make up the whole house of Israel.) That's like saying how can geographical Israel be Jewish when so many Jews live outside its nation. God establishes his base as he chooses, not according to the larger numbers, for the chosen people were of a small number among the nations.

The blessing, and the multiplying is yet a future event,even past the millennium reign. Then will God's chosen descendents from the bosom of Abraham multiply greatly when no more death exist, and the population increase becomes interminable, for death will have ceased. Then this promise will be possible. There are 100,000,000,000 stars in our galaxy and there are 100,000,000,000 galaxies that puny man knows of for now. This promise has not yet been full-filled(thy seed as the stars of heaven), but like all God's promises in time (a long long time)it will, but this promise has nothing to do with our present or past time, except for the promise.

As strange as it sounds, I've heard rumblings of such a potentiality in the future. Just rumblings. But it's looking more and more (however small) likely.

There is 4 main players in the end times the 2 witnesses and the the anti-christ and false prophet. The 2 witnesses will have Elijah as one of them which is the fore-runner and the antichrist has the false prophet as his fore-runner.

The anit-christ and false prophet will have 10 kings(10 kingdoms) with them they are trying to get the 2 tribes that make up Israel right now Judah and Benjamin and will allow the temple to be rebuilt to get them to join with them

The 2 witnesses will have the 10 lost tribes and will be trying to get the 2 tribes of Israel (Judah and benjamin) that make up Israel right now to join them so that all the tribes can be joined again as they were in the times of David

The 4 leaders, 2 good side, 2 bad side, are both trying to get Israel to join with the 10 kingdoms or tribes that they have. It is like a mission to see who can get the 12 together first.

Ezekiel 37 shows the good side wins.