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This is my idea of perfect feminine facial proportions

 
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When god MAde Monica Bellucci, he perfected beauty...

Shame she sold herself to satan thus losing around 90% of her true beauty
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Monica on her prime is hard to beat indeed, there's not much to criticize here. Maybe only the fact that Italians are a bit Swarthy and sometimes that idea of rosy cheeked pale innocence associated with femininity, but of course there has to be ideals in every race, you can't use a nordic standard on a mediterranean or a black standard on an asian.
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Oh, I think you can.
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When god MAde Monica Bellucci, he perfected beauty...

Shame she sold herself to satan thus losing around 90% of her true beauty
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[link to www.clinicatufet.com]

Monica on her prime is hard to beat indeed, there's not much to criticize here. Maybe only the fact that Italians are a bit Swarthy and sometimes that idea of rosy cheeked pale innocence associated with femininity, but of course there has to be ideals in every race, you can't use a nordic standard on a mediterranean or a black standard on an asian.
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Oh, I think you can.
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You think you can impose one racial criterion over all the others?
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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how old is she?how old are you?not datamining but she doesnt look legal.and if she is shes not a woman, but a girl.i hope youre a teenager.
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She was born in 1989, relax you fucking paranoid whacko.
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look bud, all id say is you like juvenile looking girls-thats not a woman, her features are too childish-cleavage or not.Im not the first to say in this thread how girlish she looks so i think maybe you have the problem not me.
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Listen fucker, the girl is 23, you got no point, just shut the fuck up and drop your defamation intents.

:judyfag:
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someone called you a pedo and you didnt give them a serve?
Im a woman btw-and that GIRL is juvenile looking.DEAL WITH IT.
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When god MAde Monica Bellucci, he perfected beauty...

Shame she sold herself to satan thus losing around 90% of her true beauty
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[link to www.fondosni.com]

Mind you, even with 10% beauty, she beats that ugleh trollop with big eyes and a conker nose to boot that OP posted in the first post
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I totally think Monica is the apex of mediterranean beauty, I don't think in our race anyone comes even close to her.
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Dude,Monica isn't mediterranian beuaty, she embodies universal beauty. I think Sophie marceau is hot but no one compares with the Monica, I hope that when I die, and she does, we can have eternal sex and babies.
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She was born in 1989, relax you fucking paranoid whacko.
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look bud, all id say is you like juvenile looking girls-thats not a woman, her features are too childish-cleavage or not.Im not the first to say in this thread how girlish she looks so i think maybe you have the problem not me.
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Listen fucker, the girl is 23, you got no point, just shut the fuck up and drop your defamation intents.

judyfag
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someone called you a pedo and you didnt give them a serve?
Im a woman btw-and that GIRL is juvenile looking.DEAL WITH IT.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30483968


Oh go to hell calling someone a pedo for merely pointing out to an aesthetic, non sexual ideal of femininity, I didn't say I wanted to have intercourse with her you fuckhead, I am actually going to report you for defamation.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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When god MAde Monica Bellucci, he perfected beauty...

Shame she sold herself to satan thus losing around 90% of her true beauty
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[link to www.clinicatufet.com]

Monica on her prime is hard to beat indeed, there's not much to criticize here. Maybe only the fact that Italians are a bit Swarthy and sometimes that idea of rosy cheeked pale innocence associated with femininity, but of course there has to be ideals in every race, you can't use a nordic standard on a mediterranean or a black standard on an asian.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


Oh, I think you can.
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You think you can impose one racial criterion over all the others?
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Oh and for the record, 23 is not a gurl, itr is a young woman. But still an ugleh young woman.... now tell me Spain, what you think of this woman?...

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Btw what you guys think about her?

[link to p.twimg.com]

i don't think she is extremely beutiful but her features are almost completely lacking any masculine trait. And this chick IS hot to boot (she's a porn start actually).

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"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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[link to www.librarising.com]

Adriana Lima.
Just one any....

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look bud, all id say is you like juvenile looking girls-thats not a woman, her features are too childish-cleavage or not.Im not the first to say in this thread how girlish she looks so i think maybe you have the problem not me.
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Listen fucker, the girl is 23, you got no point, just shut the fuck up and drop your defamation intents.

:judyfag:
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren

someone called you a pedo and you didnt give them a serve?
Im a woman btw-and that GIRL is juvenile looking.DEAL WITH IT.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30483968


Oh go to hell calling someone a pedo for merely pointing out to an aesthetic, non sexual ideal of femininity, I didn't say I wanted to have intercourse with her you fuckhead, I am actually going to report you for defamation.
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lol where exactly did i do that? i didnt call you a pedo someone else did-and your load of abuse is worse.
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[link to www.clinicatufet.com]

Monica on her prime is hard to beat indeed, there's not much to criticize here. Maybe only the fact that Italians are a bit Swarthy and sometimes that idea of rosy cheeked pale innocence associated with femininity, but of course there has to be ideals in every race, you can't use a nordic standard on a mediterranean or a black standard on an asian.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


Oh, I think you can.
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You think you can impose one racial criterion over all the others?
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Oh and for the record, 23 is not a gurl, itr is a young woman. But still an ugleh young woman.... now tell me Spain, what you think of this woman?...

[link to www.foxnews.com]
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 30442901


She is not particularly beautiful IMo and that nose is not feminine at all, as i said I have a problem seeing convex noses as feminine at all, to me either a straight or concave nose represent femininity, specially very small noses ( the girl in my OP failed in that area actually, but the pic was a bit misleading)
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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Here is an attractive facial proportion! hmmmm....looks kinda familiar

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Adriana Lima is a nice looking woman, she has appealing exotic feautures, but I don't think she's anywhere near an ideal. Mind you neither is the girl i posted first so we can all fuck up about these things. Is very hard to be able to come to a totally abstract, non partial evaluation of what represents absolute femininity, but I think one criterion is everything that doesn't possess in any degree whatsoever what are archetypical male characteristics
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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Btw what you guys think about her?

[link to p.twimg.com]

i don't think she is extremely beutiful but her features are almost completely lacking any masculine trait. And this chick IS hot to boot (she's a porn start actually).
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She is fit, and yeah, that is mediterranean looks.

Bellucci is the goddess of womenzes imho, but there are other beauties....

[link to topnews.in]
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Adriana Lima is a nice looking woman, she has appealing exotic feautures, but I don't think she's anywhere near an ideal. Mind you neither is the girl i posted first so we can all fuck up about these things. Is very hard to be able to come to a totally abstract, non partial evaluation of what represents absolute femininity, but I think one criterion is everything that doesn't possess in any degree whatsoever what are archetypical male characteristics
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Hmmm that lima gurl....I don;t like the half open eye look
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Listen fucker, the girl is 23, you got no point, just shut the fuck up and drop your defamation intents.

judyfag
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someone called you a pedo and you didnt give them a serve?
Im a woman btw-and that GIRL is juvenile looking.DEAL WITH IT.
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Oh go to hell calling someone a pedo for merely pointing out to an aesthetic, non sexual ideal of femininity, I didn't say I wanted to have intercourse with her you fuckhead, I am actually going to report you for defamation.
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lol where exactly did i do that? i didnt call you a pedo someone else did-and your load of abuse is worse.
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You're insinuating it, you've been proven wrong so I suggest you just leave it alone, I see what you're trying to pull off and it's very scumbaggy, so fuck off.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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Btw what you guys think about her?

[link to p.twimg.com]

i don't think she is extremely beutiful but her features are almost completely lacking any masculine trait. And this chick IS hot to boot (she's a porn start actually).
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


She is fit, and yeah, that is mediterranean looks.

Bellucci is the goddess of womenzes imho, but there are other beauties....

[link to topnews.in]
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Catherine's jawline, were it a bit smaller and rounder she'd be closer to goal.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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When god MAde Monica Bellucci, he perfected beauty...

Shame she sold herself to satan thus losing around 90% of her true beauty
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[link to www.clinicatufet.com]

Monica on her prime is hard to beat indeed, there's not much to criticize here. Maybe only the fact that Italians are a bit Swarthy and sometimes that idea of rosy cheeked pale innocence associated with femininity, but of course there has to be ideals in every race, you can't use a nordic standard on a mediterranean or a black standard on an asian.
 Quoting: Manu-Koelbren


Oh, I think you can.
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You think you can impose one racial criterion over all the others?
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Well, maybe, kind of, for the black standard. Only because who decides what that specific standard is.

If it is a Euro person, most of us tend to think they are all at very-ing levels of Simian looks. Yet so called experts (self appointed in beauty contests) who live amoungst us will say this one or that one out-looks the others.

For the standard of black looks, perhaps one should look to the black males themselves as to what they prefer.

Without actualy knowing any, what is written about them on the web is that they are not very picky (will hit anything that moves, and some things that don't).

So maybe for that standard the swath is very very large, and may just include all of them as long as they are simply female in gender of their race. (To this as fact I cannot ascertain, other than from web postings about them and their habits accross many continets, not just Africa).

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Now here is one fit Russian Mama

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Another one of Brooke, she's VERY femenine, may be not astonishing, mindboggling beauty, but no masculine traits at all.

And regarding racial criterions, I myself fail to find any feminine ideal in the African race regarding facial features, however bodily wise, some of them are extremely feminine and really showcase the primal feminine traits of fertility.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

-- Dixon Diaz
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Now here is one fit Russian Mama

[link to www.zimbio.com]
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My bad! lols

here is the image!


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Three close to perfect female faces:

Heddy Lamarr...Perfect female face.

Sinead O'Connor when she was young.

Olivia Hussey at 16 when she was in Romeo and Juliet.

Vivian Leigh, Liz Taylor, Jennifer Tilly, Merle Oberon,
Gene Tierney all had beautiful female faces no plastic surgery. Can't swear this is true for Jeffifer Tilly, but the others are naturally this beautiful.
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Now here is one fit Russian Mama

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My bad! lols

here is the image!


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The shape of her face is just too unrefined IMO. It's has a very brute form. The inner area is ok.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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Hmm. Beautiful eyes, arched brows, full lips, a slender nose and a jawline that's not squared. I can think of a few different people who would fit that...

Angelina Jolie (Original Sin)
[link to img6.bdbphotos.com]

Milla Jovovich (Return to the Blue Lagoon)
[link to www.hotflick.net]

Fairuza Balk (The Island of Dr. Moreau)
[link to 1.fwcdn.pl]

Kat Dennings:
[link to img.spokeo.com]

Christina Ricci:
[link to i2.listal.com]

Actually, it's pretty interesting. Studies on beauty have shown that typical standards of feminine beauty often wind up measuring a woman's beauty against how well her facial structure conforms to the golden mean ratio. And interestingly enough, if you type in 'golden mean woman beauty' and do a search for it, you will come up with diagrams showing a face eerily similar in structure to Angelina Jolie's.
As above, So below.
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Three close to perfect female faces:

Heddy Lamarr...Perfect female face.

Sinead O'Connor when she was young.

Olivia Hussey at 16 when she was in Romeo and Juliet.

Vivian Leigh, Liz Taylor, Jennifer Tilly, Merle Oberon,
Gene Tierney all had beautiful female faces no plastic surgery. Can't swear this is true for Jeffifer Tilly, but the others are naturally this beautiful.
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pics or it didn't happen and 16 is under age, needs to be t least 18 to be here, otherwise you is a wierd mo fo
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Hmm. Beautiful eyes, arched brows, full lips, a slender nose and a jawline that's not squared. I can think of a few different people who would fit that...

Angelina Jolie (Original Sin)
[link to img6.bdbphotos.com]

Milla Jovovich (Return to the Blue Lagoon)
[link to www.hotflick.net]

Fairuza Balk (The Island of Dr. Moreau)
[link to 1.fwcdn.pl]

Kat Dennings:
[link to img.spokeo.com]

Christina Ricci:
[link to i2.listal.com]

Actually, it's pretty interesting. Studies on beauty have shown that typical standards of feminine beauty often wind up measuring a woman's beauty against how well her facial structure conforms to the golden mean ratio. And interestingly enough, if you type in 'golden mean woman beauty' and do a search for it, you will come up with diagrams showing a face eerily similar in structure to Angelina Jolie's.
 Quoting: Anaiah


Yes but there's a difference between perfect feminine beauty and a perfect feminine ideal. An ideal doesn't necessarily have to be beautiful but it has to encompass in every sense all the feminine attributes. it's hard to find a woman who has at the same time a rounded delicate jawline, a small thin concave nose, full lips which are not TOO big, harmonious cheekbones, big expressive eyes and thin well shaped eye brows, all in the same package. There's always something that's missing.

Beautiful is just another totally different thing, there's women with odd features who are bedazzling, it's just another concept. But don't worry it's hard for me to even make these things clear, it's very hard to detach from the subjective and try to visualize such ideal, maybe it doesn't even exist.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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Hmm. Beautiful eyes, arched brows, full lips, a slender nose and a jawline that's not squared. I can think of a few different people who would fit that...

Angelina Jolie (Original Sin)
[link to img6.bdbphotos.com]

Milla Jovovich (Return to the Blue Lagoon)
[link to www.hotflick.net]

Fairuza Balk (The Island of Dr. Moreau)
[link to 1.fwcdn.pl]

Kat Dennings:
[link to img.spokeo.com]

Christina Ricci:
[link to i2.listal.com]

Actually, it's pretty interesting. Studies on beauty have shown that typical standards of feminine beauty often wind up measuring a woman's beauty against how well her facial structure conforms to the golden mean ratio. And interestingly enough, if you type in 'golden mean woman beauty' and do a search for it, you will come up with diagrams showing a face eerily similar in structure to Angelina Jolie's.
 Quoting: Anaiah


In this link above Aneglina Jolie looks very Italian.

Bring another plate of pasta to the table mama Angelina, and some more sauce too.
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Three close to perfect female faces:

Heddy Lamarr...Perfect female face.

Sinead O'Connor when she was young.

Olivia Hussey at 16 when she was in Romeo and Juliet.

Vivian Leigh, Liz Taylor, Jennifer Tilly, Merle Oberon,
Gene Tierney all had beautiful female faces no plastic surgery. Can't swear this is true for Jeffifer Tilly, but the others are naturally this beautiful.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 27253156


Natalie Wood also had a really beautiful, feminine face without plastic surgery.
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Re: This is my idea of perfect feminine facial proportions
Hmm. Beautiful eyes, arched brows, full lips, a slender nose and a jawline that's not squared. I can think of a few different people who would fit that...

Angelina Jolie (Original Sin) NO
[link to img6.bdbphotos.com]

Milla Jovovich (Return to the Blue Lagoon)NO
[link to www.hotflick.net]

Fairuza Balk (The Island of Dr. Moreau)NO
[link to 1.fwcdn.pl]

Kat Dennings:NO
[link to img.spokeo.com]

Christina Ricci: NO
[link to i2.listal.com]

Actually, it's pretty interesting. Studies on beauty have shown that typical standards of feminine beauty often wind up measuring a woman's beauty against how well her facial structure conforms to the golden mean ratio. And interestingly enough, if you type in 'golden mean woman beauty' and do a search for it, you will come up with diagrams showing a face eerily similar in structure to Angelina Jolie's.
 Quoting: Anaiah


Sorry dude but for me, none pass the test!

I have been looking at beautiful faces all my life, and I see beautiful women as a living work of art. None of the examples here could enter the living work of art category, because they just don;t make my cut.
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Real American Beauty...

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Real American Beauty...

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Again beauty is subjective a feminine ideal shouldn't be. As long as it meets the criteria that's what counts. It's hard to understand.
"White privilege" is the liberal religion's version of Original Sin: you are born guilty, and you carry that burden of guilt all your life, and the only way to escape eternal damnation is for white people confess their sin, to bow, kneel and believe the dogma of the Church of Liberalism, genuflect at its altars, honor its saints, fill the collection plate, and never, ever doubt.

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